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Twenty Ten Course - TOUGH - BEAUTIFUL - INTERESTING - What more could u ask for...
STYLE - Hmmm bit of a mix really, heard it called a links and yes most of the front nine is, and the rest erm, tiny bit but the back nines problems stem more from the 6 holes with water hazards.
It's superb IMO - makes the players think, has options on most of the tee's - risk and reward was a term invented for this course - HARD aswell scores likely not to break - 10.
Pretty flat course but again some great elevations towards the back end 14th being an example.
Right then what's needed to win
simalar to last week in the sense, this is a course designed for the ryder cup, you need all parts of your game to work if you want to contend.
favouring a style i would have to say your IRONS are most important, hit them greens and u have hope, miss em too often and even with furyk or phils skills, it wont help.
Think your going to hear most of your "tipsters" telling u length is irrelevant, i don't believe that, yes it is winnable without, but it takes a whole lot of the teeth out of this course if u can hit it long and find greens,, Accuracy will punish REALLY bad stuff severely, but you don't have to be centre fairway either, gives you a bit of room for slight quirks with the driver.
With that in mind i've picked a couple of my team already, but have a little way to go b4 i'm done i think.
PAUL CASEY - 18 on here, Hate the price but seems things are lined up for him to grab a double, Would be silly not to win from it, 1)Won last week 2)simalar needs for course 3) Was 1st in greens hit 4) was 4th in distance 5) deserves to rub his missing the ryder cup debacle in one more time :)).
TOMMY FLEETWOOD - 50 on here a great price, in good heart at the moment and altho a little quiet last week, i think he has the sort of game which could see him go far in this.
More to come, biggest problem is stevie g,luiten,willet,wattel plus others have really strong reasons they should be considered, but I'll only back one more shortie at most, they don't always win and theres some live guys fuRther down the market...
Good Luck if you have a go, with there being no American - THIS COURSE IS WELL WORTH THE EFFORT!!!!
STYLE - Hmmm bit of a mix really, heard it called a links and yes most of the front nine is, and the rest erm, tiny bit but the back nines problems stem more from the 6 holes with water hazards.
It's superb IMO - makes the players think, has options on most of the tee's - risk and reward was a term invented for this course - HARD aswell scores likely not to break - 10.
Pretty flat course but again some great elevations towards the back end 14th being an example.
Right then what's needed to win
simalar to last week in the sense, this is a course designed for the ryder cup, you need all parts of your game to work if you want to contend.
favouring a style i would have to say your IRONS are most important, hit them greens and u have hope, miss em too often and even with furyk or phils skills, it wont help.
Think your going to hear most of your "tipsters" telling u length is irrelevant, i don't believe that, yes it is winnable without, but it takes a whole lot of the teeth out of this course if u can hit it long and find greens,, Accuracy will punish REALLY bad stuff severely, but you don't have to be centre fairway either, gives you a bit of room for slight quirks with the driver.
With that in mind i've picked a couple of my team already, but have a little way to go b4 i'm done i think.
PAUL CASEY - 18 on here, Hate the price but seems things are lined up for him to grab a double, Would be silly not to win from it, 1)Won last week 2)simalar needs for course 3) Was 1st in greens hit 4) was 4th in distance 5) deserves to rub his missing the ryder cup debacle in one more time :)).
TOMMY FLEETWOOD - 50 on here a great price, in good heart at the moment and altho a little quiet last week, i think he has the sort of game which could see him go far in this.
More to come, biggest problem is stevie g,luiten,willet,wattel plus others have really strong reasons they should be considered, but I'll only back one more shortie at most, they don't always win and theres some live guys fuRther down the market...
Good Luck if you have a go, with there being no American - THIS COURSE IS WELL WORTH THE EFFORT!!!!
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i found it a dull course, dunno why
i,ve backed peter uihlein, 50/1 each way
good luck with yours
i,ve backed peter uihlein, 50/1 each way
good luck with yours
Really donny? surprises me, i suppose on certain years if the weather is real bad, it becomes too much risk for the reward, and if no one goes for any it would be more of a plod.
Dont worry though weathers supposed to be nice, bit of wind but here i'd assume thats pretty normal.
Great choice uihein, was/is high in my list, but really am struggling to shorten it, thinking i'm gunna just leave it with the two from the top end of the market and do my outsiders, i have 11 of them lol, 2 in the 100s, 2 in the 200s, two in the 300s, two in the 600s and 3 between 800 and a 1000.
oh and of course having a wee nibble of homeboy Dredge
Dont worry though weathers supposed to be nice, bit of wind but here i'd assume thats pretty normal.
Great choice uihein, was/is high in my list, but really am struggling to shorten it, thinking i'm gunna just leave it with the two from the top end of the market and do my outsiders, i have 11 of them lol, 2 in the 100s, 2 in the 200s, two in the 300s, two in the 600s and 3 between 800 and a 1000.
oh and of course having a wee nibble of homeboy Dredge
I played it the day after Scott Strange won the Wales Open on it.
Course was in great nick but the rough was brutal.
The holes felt a bit samey, but still a very good test
Course was in great nick but the rough was brutal.
The holes felt a bit samey, but still a very good test
dredge has had a fair few top tens over the years at the course
not sure theres too much value left in his price, but youve had a decent run from him,
i see betfair sportsbook cut dougherty from 1000 to 750/1
that made me chuckle
not sure theres too much value left in his price, but youve had a decent run from him,
i see betfair sportsbook cut dougherty from 1000 to 750/1
that made me chuckle
yeah a few top tens but the reason i aren't shouting him from the rooftops is they were all b4 2008 - since them major course changes he's had 3 MC a 53rd and a 18th, not that he can't win, was pretty much gone at the game during that period, now he's sorted himself on home turf, it's a brave man who lays him imo.
not for me, putting screws him, showed a glimmer of sorting it couple of weeks back, but can't maintain decent level for 4 rounds imo.
not a real fan of european tour regulation stuff.......probably down to a crap strike rate but no choice this week.....
two selections damien mcgrane 600/1......cant see him winning but should be a trade in him
JACQUELINE do fancy this lad out of form this year but showed some form last week.....he had a nice run of form in 2013 and if back to that sort of form big chance here 150/1 decent price.
hard to know what affect playing the ryder cup next week will have on the players involved but not getting involved with any of the shroties.........gd luck with ur plays
two selections damien mcgrane 600/1......cant see him winning but should be a trade in him
JACQUELINE do fancy this lad out of form this year but showed some form last week.....he had a nice run of form in 2013 and if back to that sort of form big chance here 150/1 decent price.
hard to know what affect playing the ryder cup next week will have on the players involved but not getting involved with any of the shroties.........gd luck with ur plays
Shane Lowry 40/1
James Morrison 125/1
Richard Bland 200/1
James Morrison 125/1
Richard Bland 200/1
Again, I've not got a great strike rate on the European Tour either but unfortunately no other choice this week.
Emiliano Grillo is my main selection. I think he's due a big one sooner or later and a real star for the future. He has got the game and just needs to start getting some W's.
Also done Thorbjorn Oleson and Chris Wood ew up to now. Both showed good form the past few weeks and can see them both going well on this kind of course.
Probably going to add 1 or 2 more players before Thursday. Seve Benson and Thomas Pieters are probably other outsiders I'm going to do. Benson for his good course record at both Celtic Manor and France which is a similar course. Pieters because a bit like Grillo I think he's a talent who has the ability to be a top player when it all clicks in to place. Very good with his irons too which will be important around here.
I get the love for Uileihn too and he's another possible. A proven European tour winner and looks like he is starting to hit a good run of form now. This is the time last year he hit top form and he got a 2nd. That's the 5 I am having anyway and I won't talk myself in to adding anymore now
Emiliano Grillo is my main selection. I think he's due a big one sooner or later and a real star for the future. He has got the game and just needs to start getting some W's.
Also done Thorbjorn Oleson and Chris Wood ew up to now. Both showed good form the past few weeks and can see them both going well on this kind of course.
Probably going to add 1 or 2 more players before Thursday. Seve Benson and Thomas Pieters are probably other outsiders I'm going to do. Benson for his good course record at both Celtic Manor and France which is a similar course. Pieters because a bit like Grillo I think he's a talent who has the ability to be a top player when it all clicks in to place. Very good with his irons too which will be important around here.
I get the love for Uileihn too and he's another possible. A proven European tour winner and looks like he is starting to hit a good run of form now. This is the time last year he hit top form and he got a 2nd. That's the 5 I am having anyway and I won't talk myself in to adding anymore now
This week we have the Wales Open from Celtic Manor where I am happy to leave alone any Ryder Cuppers who I am sure will have their thoughts elsewhere. I really do like the look of Simon Dyson again but not at the price and I am sure Ed Molinari will get another victory soon. The man I was keen to back was Paul Waring but his price is just too short in my opinion - instead I have come up with three picks at varying prices and a first round leader bet as well.
Thongchai Jaidee has been having a great year and having finally got a win on European soil here two years ago he added another in the Nordea Masters. He also came close with a 5th in Germany and may well have added a third victory in France where he came unstuck early on the Sunday in poor weather before rallying to finish tied 2nd. Talking of the weather then he will feel more at home in Wales this weekend where conditions will be unseasonably warm and humid with the chance of a thunderstorm - much more like Thailand! I don't usually like backing players who have won an event before but he has proven that he can win at the same venue in the Far East having done it three times which is most unusual. The key to playing well at Celtic Manor appears to be solid GIR stats and whilst he only managed 26th in his title defence he was 3rd in that category. There is a little bit of doubt over his fitness as I expected him back from his break in Thailand last week but I still think he is worth a decent bet 0.5 ew 45/1
Last year Gregory Bourdy finally converted at Celtic Manor having held some great GIR stats on previous visits - indeed he had ranked 1st and 2nd twice before converting so that may well inspire fellow Frenchman Raphael Jacquelin to follow suit. He was 2nd in that category here in 2008 on his debut when 3rd outright and 4th in 2010. Jacquelin can sometimes hit terrible spells of form where his mind wonders away from golf and that has certainly been the case this summer but his last two events have shown him in a much better light - especially last week when a solid 11th. We were on him in Spain when he won last season so maybe he can strike again for us 0.3 ew 125/1
I have reverted back to a left field pick for this week in the shape of Johan Carlsson who sprinted through the field last week with a final round 63 to finish tied 5th. We haven't seen much of this talented guy in the last nine months when he was being sent off at 50 or 66/1 but that maybe because he seems to like this time of the year! If you are into your bio-rhythms then you will be pleased to know this week last year he won on the Challenge tour by an impressive seven shots and the year before that won his maiden Nordea title at the same time. Maybe its coincidence but with his liking for this time of the year and an impressive top ten strike rate he is worthy of inclusion 0.15 ew 200/1 + 0.2 top 10 14/1
Lastly I will give Ricardo Ganzalez another crack to be first round leader - he crops up regularly in this market and has posted some low numbers around here. He finished with a 64 in Crans and in his last two starts has been 2nd and 4th for GIR 0.1 ew 125/1 FRL
Thongchai Jaidee has been having a great year and having finally got a win on European soil here two years ago he added another in the Nordea Masters. He also came close with a 5th in Germany and may well have added a third victory in France where he came unstuck early on the Sunday in poor weather before rallying to finish tied 2nd. Talking of the weather then he will feel more at home in Wales this weekend where conditions will be unseasonably warm and humid with the chance of a thunderstorm - much more like Thailand! I don't usually like backing players who have won an event before but he has proven that he can win at the same venue in the Far East having done it three times which is most unusual. The key to playing well at Celtic Manor appears to be solid GIR stats and whilst he only managed 26th in his title defence he was 3rd in that category. There is a little bit of doubt over his fitness as I expected him back from his break in Thailand last week but I still think he is worth a decent bet 0.5 ew 45/1
Last year Gregory Bourdy finally converted at Celtic Manor having held some great GIR stats on previous visits - indeed he had ranked 1st and 2nd twice before converting so that may well inspire fellow Frenchman Raphael Jacquelin to follow suit. He was 2nd in that category here in 2008 on his debut when 3rd outright and 4th in 2010. Jacquelin can sometimes hit terrible spells of form where his mind wonders away from golf and that has certainly been the case this summer but his last two events have shown him in a much better light - especially last week when a solid 11th. We were on him in Spain when he won last season so maybe he can strike again for us 0.3 ew 125/1
I have reverted back to a left field pick for this week in the shape of Johan Carlsson who sprinted through the field last week with a final round 63 to finish tied 5th. We haven't seen much of this talented guy in the last nine months when he was being sent off at 50 or 66/1 but that maybe because he seems to like this time of the year! If you are into your bio-rhythms then you will be pleased to know this week last year he won on the Challenge tour by an impressive seven shots and the year before that won his maiden Nordea title at the same time. Maybe its coincidence but with his liking for this time of the year and an impressive top ten strike rate he is worthy of inclusion 0.15 ew 200/1 + 0.2 top 10 14/1
Lastly I will give Ricardo Ganzalez another crack to be first round leader - he crops up regularly in this market and has posted some low numbers around here. He finished with a 64 in Crans and in his last two starts has been 2nd and 4th for GIR 0.1 ew 125/1 FRL
Final team for me is -
Grillo,
Wood,
Uilhein,
Oleson,
Pieters.
Good luck all.
Grillo,
Wood,
Uilhein,
Oleson,
Pieters.
Good luck all.
Added GRILLO an PEPPERELL alongside CASEY and FLEETWOOD
Thats it for my proper team, Win/top five on all but casey, just the win on him.
£2 win £5 top ten on this motley crew as well -
Peter Whiteford 900
Lucas Bjerregaard 500
Graeme Storm 300
James Heath 1000
Bradley Dredge 150
Andreas Harto 1000
Richard Finch 1000
Alvaro Quiros 200
Lee Slattery 350
Carlos Del Moral 1000
Craig Lee 330
Peter Lawrie 784
Adrien Saddier 860
Darren Fichardt 500
Daan Huizing 750
Simon Wakefield 1000
just interest minimum stake punts, But saying that i have actually picked these for a reason so still want a return!!!
Found it very difficult this week to cut players when i went top end of market, everyone has good reasoning to take a run at this one.
may get involved more come saturday.
good luck...
Thats it for my proper team, Win/top five on all but casey, just the win on him.
£2 win £5 top ten on this motley crew as well -
Peter Whiteford 900
Lucas Bjerregaard 500
Graeme Storm 300
James Heath 1000
Bradley Dredge 150
Andreas Harto 1000
Richard Finch 1000
Alvaro Quiros 200
Lee Slattery 350
Carlos Del Moral 1000
Craig Lee 330
Peter Lawrie 784
Adrien Saddier 860
Darren Fichardt 500
Daan Huizing 750
Simon Wakefield 1000
just interest minimum stake punts, But saying that i have actually picked these for a reason so still want a return!!!
Found it very difficult this week to cut players when i went top end of market, everyone has good reasoning to take a run at this one.
may get involved more come saturday.
good luck...
I see Paul Waring destroys any chance he may have had for the second week running with another jack the hack score on one hole.
A seven on a par 3 not quite as bad as his 9 on par 4 last week but enough.
A seven on a par 3 not quite as bad as his 9 on par 4 last week but enough.
westwood not showing much form. with next week looming.
his chip out of the bunker into the lake was especially inspiring!
i'm not happy colsearts was gunna be a choice, have backed him a few times recently, have put him onside at 40, had too would pi$$ me off to lose from him - bleedin annoying
i'm not happy colsearts was gunna be a choice, have backed him a few times recently, have put him onside at 40, had too would pi$$ me off to lose from him - bleedin annoying
felling good about tommy, to be 3 under after 1st round , bogeying 2 of the par 5s is very good golf imo.
i backed tommy recently, didnt bother this week
bogies on par 5s are killers
bogies on par 5s are killers
Sep 16, 2014 -- 10:12PM, kavvie wrote:
what bout ross fisher lads?
thought i'd better say seens i posted kinda putting off his chances, the more i had a look the more i changed my opinion, actually think course suits him, with it relying more on long irons than putting skills, testament to that being colsearts leading.
haven't actually backed him but wouldn't wanna put someone off doing so.
seems jaidee's injury is either sorted or was all rumour, started very well, dangerous on a course he does well at.
lol - impressive ryder cup form - westy +2 - stevie G +7 seven bogeys no birdies 
slightly better scoring from the guy PG passed on
This Phillip Price charge will give the weekend crowds a boost
Added these outsiders,there's been a couple of unknowns win this, still two days big enough for me...From £2 to £4 on each 
Patrik Sjoland 150
Mark Foster 240
Robert-Jan Derksen 410
Phillip PricE 460
Lucas Bjerregaard 410
Adrian Otaegui 610
Patrik Sjoland 150
Mark Foster 240
Robert-Jan Derksen 410
Phillip PricE 460
Lucas Bjerregaard 410
Adrian Otaegui 610
Westy has to be the luckiest player alive to have got a Ryder Cup place.If I was McGinley he'd only be making an appearance for the Singles on Sunday.
tbf the US wildcards have been even worse for weeks.
Lowry and Luiten looking well set here after 36 holes, the former in particular playing very well. Fancy Donaldson to go low today and get into the mix going into the last day.
Lowry and Luiten looking well set here after 36 holes, the former in particular playing very well. Fancy Donaldson to go low today and get into the mix going into the last day.
True,but I wouldn't say Westwood is showing any better form than their Wildcards.
If Westwood plays against any of their Wildcards will obviously go off odds on I'll be laying him all day long.
For me he is just a golfer badly out of form(probably shoot a 59 today,before an 83 tomorrow 
)
If Westwood plays against any of their Wildcards will obviously go off odds on I'll be laying him all day long.
For me he is just a golfer badly out of form(probably shoot a 59 today
,before an 83 tomorrow )
Have played Colsearts, Havret, Foster and JB Hansen and Wood pre tourney so hoping for a run from one of them.
Cabrera Bello, Rumford and Kepka mtc.
Hoping one or two in contention tomorrow.
Cabrera Bello, Rumford and Kepka mtc.
Hoping one or two in contention tomorrow.
Looks to me like they have put some friendly pins out there today, early scoring very good.
Lowry is a fave of mine but on this occasion i'm laying him, he's scrapped out two good rounds with a lot of help from the flatstick but can't see him been able to keep that up, and with low scores out there i suspect he will be a couple behind after end of play.
Having a descent punt colsearts, if it's set up so they can get close to the pins, his tee to green play is one of the best on tour and could go very low especially with his new found confident look over the putts - If he has found something putting, watch out he will win alot of tournaments, next years race to Dubai maybe a distinct possibility.
Lowry is a fave of mine but on this occasion i'm laying him, he's scrapped out two good rounds with a lot of help from the flatstick but can't see him been able to keep that up, and with low scores out there i suspect he will be a couple behind after end of play.
Having a descent punt colsearts, if it's set up so they can get close to the pins, his tee to green play is one of the best on tour and could go very low especially with his new found confident look over the putts - If he has found something putting, watch out he will win alot of tournaments, next years race to Dubai maybe a distinct possibility.
Hmm joost and lowry two under thru 3 - colsearts par, not exactly the way it was to start in my head!
fine 63 by pepp, had him for top5 last few weeks and he usually plays well on sunday
Need these two to stumble or i'm fooked, i do not feel confident lol
Added Moli and Warren from my green on Havret.
Joost although playing very well never grabs me R4, and Lowry although well capable of birdie runs looked a little like running out of gas today. I could well be wrong as both are more than capable of winning this tomorrow by 3 or 4 but ill chance Gregory having a going Sunday as he is well due, and also a fast start from Edi or Marc. I also have JB and Colsearts but think they have far too much to do.
Here is hoping the front 2 kill themselves out front... Unlikely but possible.
Enjoy
Joost although playing very well never grabs me R4, and Lowry although well capable of birdie runs looked a little like running out of gas today. I could well be wrong as both are more than capable of winning this tomorrow by 3 or 4 but ill chance Gregory having a going Sunday as he is well due, and also a fast start from Edi or Marc. I also have JB and Colsearts but think they have far too much to do.
Here is hoping the front 2 kill themselves out front... Unlikely but possible.
Enjoy
well joosts birdies meant i could get out of my lowry lay, even gained a point and have now switched, have layed joost odds on - so need joost beat , lowry wins nowt of note a couple out of the pack for a payday.
good luck anyone punting on the last day.
good luck anyone punting on the last day.
Havret, Moli, Warren, Colsearts or JB for me. Any would do but Havret is my best return by some margin.
Good luck all
Good luck all
I see that Westwood is honing his mediocrity in time for next week.
Don't you just love when the leadership falls apart from the start
Luiten would be dangerous if he could putt.
Luiten would be dangerous if he could putt.
took a shaky start from the leaders - but this is gunna be a cracking finish, so many in contention
14 warren 
had to take that, may have had a double but only a shot off!!!
had to take that, may have had a double but only a shot off!!!
if colsearts can scam a third eagle on the last 14 under will be a good target
6 on -12 and 3 on -11.......closest Sunday this year i think.
pepperall ffs - original pick and a fluff outa bunker - verey bad
Gotta love a temporary choke when prices go under 1.1
Well ok ish result all in...
I'm still happy with my form - picked 4 - 2 in the top 5 - so got paid a little, and went suitably low in the win to trade as and when i wanted too.
Time for the doubles and trebles fun for that little event on next week :)
I'm still happy with my form - picked 4 - 2 in the top 5 - so got paid a little, and went suitably low in the win to trade as and when i wanted too.
Time for the doubles and trebles fun for that little event on next week :)
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