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Have never seen this event so am going by what i've read.
its a lengthy 7,350 yards par 71 track
proper hazards by the looks u can get caught by water on 1, 2, 13, 15, 16 and 18- could make for a great finish!!
links style bunkers should be avoided as well,but aparently they are positioned really well to cause the most problems.
so all in all a tough course.
right have done a little early work and the blatant facts are - most important thing is GREENS IN REGULATION again!! but as important is ACCURACY,you will get no-where on here without BOTH.
BUT - imo distance is pretty much irrelavent,so i'll be looking hard at the short drivers who need these opertunities for a win!
also i believe putting is alot clearer/easier here,so if u like the look of someone but there a little shaky greenside HAVE A GO - just could be their week!!
i'm having a couple of early plays even tho i think the prices are tight enuff ,cant see em drifting.
F.Molinari @ 18/1 - prob a obvious choice but thats for a reason,just peaking formwise imo and loves it here.
M.Foster @ 150/1 - not as big as i'd have liked but as said i dont see him shortening,glimses of form anf again loves the track
and two who will get the locals onside - bourdy @ 55 and havret @110 (365 best value i see so far.)
have others in mind but waiting to see what the prices do...
Have never seen this event so am going by what i've read.
its a lengthy 7,350 yards par 71 track
proper hazards by the looks u can get caught by water on 1, 2, 13, 15, 16 and 18- could make for a great finish!!
links style bunkers should be avoided as well,but aparently they are positioned really well to cause the most problems.
so all in all a tough course.
right have done a little early work and the blatant facts are - most important thing is GREENS IN REGULATION again!! but as important is ACCURACY,you will get no-where on here without BOTH.
BUT - imo distance is pretty much irrelavent,so i'll be looking hard at the short drivers who need these opertunities for a win!
also i believe putting is alot clearer/easier here,so if u like the look of someone but there a little shaky greenside HAVE A GO - just could be their week!!
i'm having a couple of early plays even tho i think the prices are tight enuff ,cant see em drifting.
F.Molinari @ 18/1 - prob a obvious choice but thats for a reason,just peaking formwise imo and loves it here.
M.Foster @ 150/1 - not as big as i'd have liked but as said i dont see him shortening,glimses of form anf again loves the track
and two who will get the locals onside - bourdy @ 55 and havret @110 (365 best value i see so far.)
have others in mind but waiting to see what the prices do...
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one of the best courses on the european tour and the finish is superb plenty of water!
I am glad Larrazabal has pulled out as I would have been sorely tempted to put him up for the French Open but as it is we are left with a very difficult field to pick from. There are plenty of horses for courses players but none of them really appeal as actual winners - Richard Green being a prime example. I am going to put up a speculative play on someone who I think should be well suited to the stadium course at Le Golf National and that is Kevin Stadler. This is the first time he has played back on the European tour for years having won co-sanctioned events in Brazil and Australia much like his father had done before him. He travelled the world long before the present crop of young American players and achieved great success but that success took a longer time to happen on the PGA tour. He finally made his breakthrough at the stadium course at Scottsdale and that was what got me thinking as Brendan Steele has a stellar record there and he has been 7th twice here. As I say it is a speculative play but his 8th in the Masters shows he is a really good player and better than most on show this week 0.4 ew 80/1
i never back anyone much under $100's
my team is mainly G Stal $95 (in his home tournament) and Oliver Fisher $160 altho thought maybe he needed a week off?
will also have coin on Maximillian, Rock and Lewis and my perennial favourite Levet altho I did expect to be getting more like $800's rather than $250
my team is mainly G Stal $95 (in his home tournament) and Oliver Fisher $160 altho thought maybe he needed a week off?
will also have coin on Maximillian, Rock and Lewis and my perennial favourite Levet altho I did expect to be getting more like $800's rather than $250
Well my teams picked, not sure why, but did not come easy this week, i've ended up with one shortie,3 more below 100 middling, and a few longer ones, keeping a track of my selections from this week, but only those before the first tee-off, am gunna use points as its just easier, impossible to keep track of my in-running madness, so it is strictly before the off,these are just my picks, u wont be hearing me turning into a wannabe tipster.
F.Molinari @ 18/1 - main bet, everything to like this week for franco, form just peaking , in fact playing as well as he ever has done in his career right now imo, loves the course, results and himself verify this by all accounts. 4 points win
A.Hanson @ 50/1 - just so consistent of late, has the attributes for this course, last 5 years has a 4th an 11th, the other 3 all top 50, but key for me is, he has'nt been playing as well previous years so could be his turn. 1 point win, 1 place 11/1
G.Bourdy @ 55 - to be fair his course form here is'nt the best, a 6th his best a few years ago, but he's hitting the ball better now than ever, esp in the parts he needs, his accuracy and GIR are quite alot higher than ever in his european career, with that in mind he's going to be keen to impress his home nation. 1 point win, 1 place 11/1
R.Sterne @ 70/1 - 2nd last year so we know he likes it, and the fact is IF he's fully fit and playing well, this is probably the best price you will see on him all season, great player allways been a fan. 1 point WIN - 1 place 14/1
Ed Del La Riva - F.Aguilar - G.Storm - all around 125/1 - varying reasons but main on all being a liking fo the course. - all 1/2 point WIN 1/2 place 20/1 + 2 points top 10 all @ 10/1
S.Khan - M.Foster - - C.Lee - G.Maybin - all around 250/1 - Foster has course form, the other two are just runners i have been a little impressed with over the last month 1/2 point WIN - 1/2 place 25/33/1 + 1 point top ten @ 14/11/18/14/1 in my written order.
R.Bland - C.Del.Moral @ 400/1 - again not much more than an inkling, and imo signs their games are good at the moment. - 1/2 point win 1/2 place 50/66/1 + 1 point top ten @ 22/1 / 18/1 + 1 point top 20 @ 15/2 10/1
A.Gee @ 610 - Just a player i've become a little attached too, made me good money a few weeks ago and i see him overpriced week in week out, esp this week with the shorter course,driving not essential, actually have high hopes! 1/2 point win - 1/2 place 66/1 - 1 point top 10 28/1 - 1 point top 20 11/1
Thats 36 points - in all the years in this game, have never used a system like this, or any sort, so if you see something dumb, or its just out of whack ,let me know, dont mind advice, wont learn nowt without it.
Good Luck All...
F.Molinari @ 18/1 - main bet, everything to like this week for franco, form just peaking , in fact playing as well as he ever has done in his career right now imo, loves the course, results and himself verify this by all accounts. 4 points win
A.Hanson @ 50/1 - just so consistent of late, has the attributes for this course, last 5 years has a 4th an 11th, the other 3 all top 50, but key for me is, he has'nt been playing as well previous years so could be his turn. 1 point win, 1 place 11/1
G.Bourdy @ 55 - to be fair his course form here is'nt the best, a 6th his best a few years ago, but he's hitting the ball better now than ever, esp in the parts he needs, his accuracy and GIR are quite alot higher than ever in his european career, with that in mind he's going to be keen to impress his home nation. 1 point win, 1 place 11/1
R.Sterne @ 70/1 - 2nd last year so we know he likes it, and the fact is IF he's fully fit and playing well, this is probably the best price you will see on him all season, great player allways been a fan. 1 point WIN - 1 place 14/1
Ed Del La Riva - F.Aguilar - G.Storm - all around 125/1 - varying reasons but main on all being a liking fo the course. - all 1/2 point WIN 1/2 place 20/1 + 2 points top 10 all @ 10/1
S.Khan - M.Foster - - C.Lee - G.Maybin - all around 250/1 - Foster has course form, the other two are just runners i have been a little impressed with over the last month 1/2 point WIN - 1/2 place 25/33/1 + 1 point top ten @ 14/11/18/14/1 in my written order.
R.Bland - C.Del.Moral @ 400/1 - again not much more than an inkling, and imo signs their games are good at the moment. - 1/2 point win 1/2 place 50/66/1 + 1 point top ten @ 22/1 / 18/1 + 1 point top 20 @ 15/2 10/1
A.Gee @ 610 - Just a player i've become a little attached too, made me good money a few weeks ago and i see him overpriced week in week out, esp this week with the shorter course,driving not essential, actually have high hopes! 1/2 point win - 1/2 place 66/1 - 1 point top 10 28/1 - 1 point top 20 11/1
Thats 36 points - in all the years in this game, have never used a system like this, or any sort, so if you see something dumb, or its just out of whack ,let me know, dont mind advice, wont learn nowt without it.
Good Luck All...
Anders Hansen - Top 5 @11s with one of the bookies and win only @50 on here.
Graeme Storm - Top 5 @25s with one of the bookies and win only @140 on here.
Paul Waring - E/W @150s with Laddies.
Andy Sullivan - E/W @150s with Paddy(Top six).
Matthew Nixon - Top 5 @36 and win only @280 on here.
Good luck!
Graeme Storm - Top 5 @25s with one of the bookies and win only @140 on here.
Paul Waring - E/W @150s with Laddies.
Andy Sullivan - E/W @150s with Paddy(Top six).
Matthew Nixon - Top 5 @36 and win only @280 on here.
Good luck!
36 points is so uneven, 40 points would be much better :)
Julien Guerrier - 1/2 point win 1 Top 10 1/2 t20
Carlos Del Moral -1/2 point win 1 Top 10 1/2 t20
just long shots
Julien Guerrier - 1/2 point win 1 Top 10 1/2 t20
Carlos Del Moral -1/2 point win 1 Top 10 1/2 t20
just long shots
Quiros win and top for me. Reckon he will get a win soon.
first 9 for jeong
who will be lucky enough to crack double figures this year ?
usually a few decent disasters round here !!
who will be lucky enough to crack double figures this year ?
usually a few decent disasters round here !!
well , gunna try 1st little trade - backed gallacher 8.4, easy par 5 next maybe out at 7 - can but try worst case he's -5 anyway
some BIG name casualties early in this!!
bjrn - joost - jaidee - coetzee - pretty much dead
bjrn - joost - jaidee - coetzee - pretty much dead
last weeks winner zanotti failing, mind, suppose that was expected
he birdied 
out at 6.8, easy 1.6 ,10 mins - i'll go to work now 
out at 6.8, easy 1.6 ,10 mins - i'll go to work now
big Stevie is loving this, never seen him as happy through the ball as this today
Going to be interesting. Shows VD as a triple and Kaymer as a double on the first. Would be fairly incredible given only two other doubles rest of the day so far. Either that or the mkt leaders are playing like they did in the US last week.
never mind that, the double bogey machine broberg has surpassed even his normal level of stupidity today if scores are right
live blog - 'McDowell and co. stride away from the par five third tee'
ffs how bout telling us where they hit their ball
ffs how bout telling us where they hit their ball
Checking to see wot id win on 1st rnd leader K.Broberg with three to play was a schoolboy error the bottler finishes bogey,quad bogey 
Had to laugh at Roe this morn after Donaldson hits one close on a par3 "now u wont see a better shot than that all day" he coughs playing partner Levy steps up and u guessed it hits a better shot.
Jaidee seemed to respond quite well to you saying he was nearly dead vegas 
dont think i've ever seen so mant doubles/trebles/quadruples!! ffs - u think someone in the running next minute nio tailed off!!
Best course on tour Vegas ,you should see the scores if we get a bit of wind.
am actually contemplating having the day off tommorow so i can watch it!
60 euros for a season ticket vegas
not cheap to stay in paris though
not cheap to stay in paris though
Good stuff again Muppet wish everyone would post their picks before the off!!!!
Thats whats great about the forum .we have our own fancys but can bounce them of other peeps thoughts .had 2quid on stadler at 100.took a 5r back and still returns 150.muppet alwsys talks good sense .my other runners all about level par though (.
F.Aguilar -4...thank fook for u, steady round and liked the metal he showed after bogey,bogey on 16 and 17 then to birdie 18.
M.Foster -2...good enough, just needs to keep it.
F.Molinari,R.Sterne -1...only 3 birdies each,seems bogeys are going to happen any which way, so need to up their tallys.
A.Hanson level...was 3 under thru 7,back 9 troubles as alot of players did, down but not out.
A.Gee,C.Lee + 1...bah, triple on the last for c.lee,adam 4 bogeys, needs help - but they are only 3 shots off tied 9th, so well in it for main bet.
G.Bourdy, G.Maybin, Ed Del La Riva +2...Bourdy, Goner - the others, rubbish, but i sometimes forget, these are top 10 bets essentially,and 4 shots behind that,so bets are alive
R.Bland,C.Del.Moral,G.Storm +4...erm,only 5 off top 20!
S.Khan +9...OK! even i cant positive spin that one!!!
all in all = sh!t but not out!!!
M.Foster -2...good enough, just needs to keep it.
F.Molinari,R.Sterne -1...only 3 birdies each,seems bogeys are going to happen any which way, so need to up their tallys.
A.Hanson level...was 3 under thru 7,back 9 troubles as alot of players did, down but not out.
A.Gee,C.Lee + 1...bah, triple on the last for c.lee,adam 4 bogeys, needs help - but they are only 3 shots off tied 9th, so well in it for main bet.
G.Bourdy, G.Maybin, Ed Del La Riva +2...Bourdy, Goner - the others, rubbish, but i sometimes forget, these are top 10 bets essentially,and 4 shots behind that,so bets are alive
R.Bland,C.Del.Moral,G.Storm +4...erm,only 5 off top 20!
S.Khan +9...OK! even i cant positive spin that one!!!
all in all = sh!t but not out!!!
Iv got Craig lee never knew hed dropped them all on 1hole the fud .also took khan only for the fact been taking him for ages and hes got to come good eventually
That's about the best bogey you will ever see. Makes you wonder if its going to be his week given the long par putt at 18 last night as well.
frames, I have always had him down as poor under pressure, he hasn't hit a good shot since the tv came on
Yes Par but as Tom said could be his week.Scandalous bogey that ,the approach on 3 got lucky but he missed the putt.
The encouraging thing for the chasing pack is that it is a course that is really easy to make mistakes on. He is clearly putting fantastically but the most impressive element is probably his distance control with his irons. Giving himself so many good looks.
never misses, that was in from the moment it left the putter,
The thing is it is not like that is a 10ft putt he has just holed!! Would be very worried if i was a layer. Noone from the morning groups is going to get within 7/8 shots. All depends on Gallacher and Donaldson.
3rd tournament in recent weeks which has been over almost before the cut (Kaymer & Crane).
Add Ilonen.If an afternoon starter leads on Day 1 lookout.Don't know if Crane was.
Yep Crane had an afternoon tee time in Rd 1 and shot a 63 to lead by 1. Followed up with a 65...
Wouldnt say this is over yet Tom. Donaldson, Siem, Gallagher could easily get to within a shot or two by the end of today imo.
With where he is hitting his irons to I think anyone of us could see him break par!! One of these times I would love to see shotlink and just what length of putts he has holed.
What I would say is that he has been fairly lucky when he has missed the fairway bar his miraculous bogey hole. I think back to the 4th hole where he was able to get very close to the flag from the rough from about 190 yds away. Others like Kaymer had much harder shots from around the green. They are the types of things that make you think it will be his week.
What I would say is that he has been fairly lucky when he has missed the fairway bar his miraculous bogey hole. I think back to the 4th hole where he was able to get very close to the flag from the rough from about 190 yds away. Others like Kaymer had much harder shots from around the green. They are the types of things that make you think it will be his week.
CCM,
Will be interesting to see what happens with the weather. Just started raining. Will it soften up the greens? Make the rough tougher? Will the wind pick up?
Will be interesting to see what happens with the weather. Just started raining. Will it soften up the greens? Make the rough tougher? Will the wind pick up?
Lol the good old fashioned shank. Will probably get up and down for par!!
Shame he can't carry on to the back 9.Doubt he would break 40.
Yep, he should be tucking into a triple decker burger thinking he is very lucky to have finished where he is I reckon. Although he must be spewing to have doubled a par 5 to finish.
well just back from playing 18,knackered lol as are my golfers!! 
franky - gone / hanson - gone / bourdy - gone / sterne - gone / del la riva - gone
maybin/a.gee/c.lee/g maybin - all still playing....BADLY! all over par, so very nearly - gone!
have Aguilar left, but only for top ten, maybe place after a carp round today!
oh - have havret aswell! top ten, little win, don't know why iv'e missed him off my bet list, but bet is in my opening post, prob why i forgot, its with 365.
Been a while since such a bad showing, had to be the week i decided to count! lol
def need some bubba magic tonight now!!
franky - gone / hanson - gone / bourdy - gone / sterne - gone / del la riva - gone
maybin/a.gee/c.lee/g maybin - all still playing....BADLY! all over par, so very nearly - gone!
have Aguilar left, but only for top ten, maybe place after a carp round today!
oh - have havret aswell! top ten, little win, don't know why iv'e missed him off my bet list, but bet is in my opening post, prob why i forgot, its with 365.
Been a while since such a bad showing, had to be the week i decided to count! lol
def need some bubba magic tonight now!!
gallacher playing some very solid golf - could be the one to beat.
Looks like you're getting your magic, vegas. -3 today after 12, 5 under overall. Not doing me much good though.
orzabal • July 3, 2014 7:20 PM BST
Good stuff again Muppet wish everyone would post their picks before the off!!!!
Just backed Gmac 10/Hoey 40 with Kirk/Chappell both 12's - 'cross the water doubles.
Good stuff again Muppet wish everyone would post their picks before the off!!!!
Just backed Gmac 10/Hoey 40 with Kirk/Chappell both 12's - 'cross the water doubles.
mention havret, he karks it - mention gallacher, yep screwed, ffs!!!
i did say in my original picks post ,that i wasen't "feeling it" think i need to take heed in future!
have outside hopes for top ten but essentially....see u on the pga thread lol .
i did say in my original picks post ,that i wasen't "feeling it" think i need to take heed in future!
have outside hopes for top ten but essentially....see u on the pga thread lol .
I did post my picks before the off, Catch Me ifyoucan. There were none as I haven't had a bet in this. I'm in enough trouble in the Greenbrier. Have just added Patrick Rodgers.
Wouldn't have been on Stadler, McDowell or Kaymer. Might have been on Siem and Hoey and about ten others.
Good luck with yours.
Have just added Patrick Rodgers.Wouldn't have been on Stadler, McDowell or Kaymer. Might have been on Siem and Hoey and about ten others.
Good luck with yours.
Right thats it, i'm forming a new team 
Michael Hoey @ 38
Ross Fisher @ 65
Matteo Manassero @ 100
Rafa Cabrera-Bello @ 100? i'm up, early think it'll be 120 + by then
wanted kaymer aswell, but cant bring myself to do it at such a ridiculas price 14.5 on here!!
obviously big gamble, but i think stadler shoots over tomorrow,maybe finsh 8 under, these 4 have been playing well, well enough to shoot a 3,4,5, even 6 under round.
RIU, Victor - superb scrambling round but u simply cant maintain it.
would be intresting then!!
Michael Hoey @ 38
Ross Fisher @ 65
Matteo Manassero @ 100
Rafa Cabrera-Bello @ 100? i'm up, early think it'll be 120 + by then
wanted kaymer aswell, but cant bring myself to do it at such a ridiculas price 14.5 on here!!
obviously big gamble, but i think stadler shoots over tomorrow,maybe finsh 8 under, these 4 have been playing well, well enough to shoot a 3,4,5, even 6 under round.
RIU, Victor - superb scrambling round but u simply cant maintain it.
would be intresting then!!
Graeme McDowell @Graeme_McDowell · 16m
'Perfect conditions for the chasing pack here at @AlstomODF today. Tough breeze blowing. Anything around par will be a good effort. #grind'
'Perfect conditions for the chasing pack here at @AlstomODF today. Tough breeze blowing. Anything around par will be a good effort. #grind'
Fair bit of carnage on the opening two holes today.I hope our American friend has got rid of those shanks.
You can see/hear already how Mark Roe is dying to slaughter the poor American that has the audacity to be leading. The anti american stance by most at sky is deplorable
Roe always picks his targets carefully when slaughtering a player.
this is going to be fun, carnage on the front 9, the last 4 holes are going to be a massacre.
this is going to be fun, carnage on the front 9, the last 4 holes are going to be a massacre.
Three players, who have not already qualified (and who finish in the top ten at the Alstom Open de France) will secure places in The Open.
The CLARET JUG was on the 1st tee as a gentle reminder for HOEY !
The CLARET JUG was on the 1st tee as a gentle reminder for HOEY !
AS IT STAND ATM...
RIU, HOEY & MCGRANE are the players that would secure their place.
RIU, HOEY & MCGRANE are the players that would secure their place.
ahh fek - triple for foster :( was plodding along so well
Quincy,
Kindly address you posts to orzabal (not me) in regards to "picks before the off"
Kindly address you posts to orzabal (not me) in regards to "picks before the off"
LOL...I'M INNOCENT GODDAMIT INNOCENT I TELL YOU!!!!!!! 
yep, sadly for my pocket very very good golf from stads, and with the weather change, they think its all over...
KARLSSON & FOSTER now in the picture for a place in Hoylake.
How Stadler only has one bogey today is amazing.Superb scrambling and with a dodgy back.
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