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snakeoil salesmen every one
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why's that bud?
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I find it incredible that people believe these charlatans know anything about golf. Lets take Foley for example.
Tiger has been working with him for at least 2 tears and has now reached a point where he is unable to hit a driver off the tee. But Foley is only the latest. Tigers problems began on the first day he met Butch Harmon. The changes and tinkering that began on Tigers game than was the equivalent of damageing a great work of art. Tiger should never have changed anything from the age of 17. The golf swing of a genius is a mysterious and VERY fragile thing. The damage started by Harmon and continued by others is a crime. They have destroyed a thing of beauty. |
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By the way Leadbetter has been involved in `teaching` in the past few years Michelle Wie. This has resulted in
potentially the greatest ever female golfer....someone who was more talented incidentally than 95% of male professionals and could have played in the masters and won on the mens tour...resulted in her struggling to win on the ladies tour. It really is a great pity. |
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comedy gold
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lfc1971
post of the year. Time for a lie down in a dark room. |
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I think Faldo,tiger disagree
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Adam Scott,Justin Rose and Phil Mickelson are the three Major winners so far this year.Anyone know who coaches them ?
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some loser who obviously knows nothing about the golf swing,
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butch harmon x2 and foley coaches rose
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i thought it was a pisstake question..... heh . still not sure
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It was ,sorry Hearts.Just pointing out to ifc how well the charlatans as he puts it have done so far this year.Imagine if they had decent coaches.
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I think I could coach a world top ten golfer and not do too much damage.
It would be a little more difficult to get a club pro to win a major. |
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There's very little any coach could do to make Rose,Scott,Tiger etc better golfers but what they can do is give them
a new swing thought from time to time and then when they become stale,move on to the next Hollywood coach. The top pros would be far better off having an elite sports psychologist than someone like Butch Harmon in my opinion. |
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To befair, Butch has just seen Nick Watney on the range. Still got rid of you , ya flash twatt
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Rotella will sort Rory out, there'll be a 73 soon you watch
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Scott fired off Butch a few years back.
This LFC character is a wind up merchant. For the record Tiger has been working with Foley for just under two years. In that time he has 8 wins and finished in the top 11 in 5 majors and gone from 52 to 1 in the world rankings. Most would see that as a good career. |
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yeah tiger got unlucky the masters,top 6 the open,hunky dori
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Not really surprised at the lack of golf knowledge on this forum, but in truth the sheer superficiality and
lack of any real understanding of most is staggering. Let me put it in simple terms and limit it to one coach to make it easy for you...Sean Foley knows almost nothing about the golf swing, and he along with Harmon and the rest are doing great damage |
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IMO Tiger is swinging the club well again now, just as he was swinging it well in the early 2000's.
Different coaches both doing a good job I would say, I feel that there are a couple of reasons why Tiger is not getting the results in the majors tho. Firstly, more important than a sound swing is the confidence that it is going to work, I bet Tiger is hitting the ball as well as he has ever done on the practice ground and in practice rounds, because it just does not matter if you hit a bad shot, and for a guy with 78 wins on the PGA Tour a regular Tour event is not going to be too stressful a situation either, but the Majors with time running out to beat Jacks record is as about as important as it gets for Tiger, it's going to test his swing more than anything else. The second thing is before Foley Tiger was playing with strong draw that could of course turn into a hook or a big block, Foley has neutralized the shape, trying to stop Tiger getting the club stuck behind him, as you can see from every practice swing he ever makes nowadays, that was the correct thing to do I would say, in the past Tiger would have bad rounds hitting hooks and blocks till it would look like he was falling out of contention, then switch to hitting stingers and fades and come back and win the tournament. I don't think Tiger is as good as he was at hitting the 'safe fade' now, he is using that swing feel to neutralize the hook. For me it all boils down to weather Tiger can get the confidence back, I feel the coaches have given him the swing. |
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Pretty sure Tiger had to change the swing cos of the pressure it was putting on is knee and it needed changing so he could still compete at the top for the long tern
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That's correct, but it is still the same swing fault that was causing the knee problem.
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You can be sure Tiger is not hitting the ball well on the practice ground. I don`t think people realise the true
nature of Tigers swing problems and how far they go back...but he does and surprisingly they go back bafore the time he won the slam....already by that time damage had been done by Harmon |
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The only thing Tiger needed to do when younger to stay free of injury was play golf, practice a little less,
and stay away from weights or running or training. |
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I would have to disagree with the "not hitting it well on the practice ground" I stood behind him on the practice ground at Bay Hill, he was swinging it really well, shot after shot. On the course I stood behind him again on the 6th, completely different swing, re-routed to the inside because of the fear of the water to his left.
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Wish i could have been at the Bay Hill practice ground and had a word...could have been a different outcome
at the open  |
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I'd recomend a read of Hank Haney's book. In it Haney describes Tigers obsession with the Army. At one point he wanted to become a navy seal. He damaged his knee on some action training weekend with the seals.
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I like the bit about Poulter scrounging a lift on Tigers plane, and picturing Poulter reading it
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Yep that bit did make me
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Butch flattened out Tigers swing in the early noughties to get better distance control with
his shorter irons but that flatter swing caused massive problems with his long game resulting in a massive block or a duck hook when his hands got too active. Tiger hasn't swung the club well since 2000,imo. It's just his phenomenal will to win and the fact he's the greatest clinch putter ever born that wins him golf tournaments. Foley won't help Westwood win a major just like he didn't help Rose win the US open. What will help Westwood,just like Rose, is 4 solid days with the putter and the odd lucky break here and there. To make a point how ridiculously over hyped these coaches have become,Foley had had one 5 hour session with Westwood and yet people were saying that he had completely changed Lee's game!!! Gladly,for the sake of Harmon and Foley, there are millions of drongos in the world who fall for all that nonsense. |
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go back to any golf film from the 70s or early 80s and you will see ten or so guys all with a different swing. Go to a pro event or top amateur and watch on the range the vast majority swing the same so coaching has had an effect on the game.
How much difference the big name coaches make is debatable. There are 100s of golfers who can play well or shoot a low number what separates the tour guys and then the guys who win is as much between the ears as in the swing. Foley must be doing something right not only does he coach rose, westwood and woods his long term project is Hunter Mahan. Remind me where he started sunday in the last two majors? |
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why did Hany ysing like a bird about tiger?
did he feel badly treated |
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Foley has become the latest must have accessory to the multi millionaire tour pros.I'm
not saying he's a bad coach by any means,I just feel his impact on players winning tournaments is purely psychological rather than technical. He admits himself he's not very technical but he's just become very fashionable. As for all the younger pros swinging the same,that's simply because you get kids as young as 10 having 3 lessons a week. It's horrendous and will probably result in us never seeing another Seve or Trevino. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5cnH3pexXA
check out these swings |
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Westwood working with Foley.
Hasn't done Eddy much good  |
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As for all the younger pros swinging the same,that's simply because you get kids
as young as 10 having 3 lessons a week. It's horrendous and will probably result in us never seeing another Seve or Trevino. There are a few who make it thru being quirky e.g. bubba or furyk. The simple fact is the average tour pro is miles better than his 70s or 80s counterpart. |
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the criticism of foley here is a bit harsh.
He has done a superb job with Rose. The difference between him now and four or five years ago is huge. He is arguably the most consistent ball striker out there. He has also brought some stability to Tiger. |
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Golf seems to be one of the few sports were the average player, or indeed any of the players have improved
since the 70s or 80s. Players scored 70 in the 1950s and they still score 70. Of course some courses are longer but this is offset by new clubs and how much further the modern ball goes. Fairways and bunkers and greens are in much better condition now. So all in all the question is what improvements have all these coaches brought...the scores remain pretty much the same |