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I will be cheering on the lads to the rafters as much as anybody but in all honesty I can seriously see only one winner and that is USA and by a very large margin as well.
After following the PGA tour this season a bit more than usual the Yanks have such a stunning squad to choose from that we are in serious danger of a real @ rse kicking ( or is that @ ss).
More so when you actually look closer at the Europe team this time.
Westwood? Hmmmmm
Kaymer? Doesn't want to play and could be the first person since Sandy Lyle to actually refuse to go he said his form is that bad.
Hanson? Wow I can see the Yanks shaking at the thought of playing him.
Lawrie? Oh God it's getting worse, yes he is on form but .......come on it's Paul Lawrie for crying out loud.
Molinari? This is now half the team for Gods sake.
We simply have not got the strength in depth and can see the singles been the worst massacre since Custer.
Problem is for a betting point the Yanks are very backable but if you do then who do you cheer for?
After following the PGA tour this season a bit more than usual the Yanks have such a stunning squad to choose from that we are in serious danger of a real @ rse kicking ( or is that @ ss).
More so when you actually look closer at the Europe team this time.
Westwood? Hmmmmm
Kaymer? Doesn't want to play and could be the first person since Sandy Lyle to actually refuse to go he said his form is that bad.
Hanson? Wow I can see the Yanks shaking at the thought of playing him.
Lawrie? Oh God it's getting worse, yes he is on form but .......come on it's Paul Lawrie for crying out loud.
Molinari? This is now half the team for Gods sake.
We simply have not got the strength in depth and can see the singles been the worst massacre since Custer.
Problem is for a betting point the Yanks are very backable but if you do then who do you cheer for?
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Think it will be close
Europe can put out some strong pairings on day 1 and 2. Plenty of the American's not in form. On the day all of the europeans could beat the americans and vice versa. |
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I'm 26 and pretty much every Ryder cup I've watched we've gone in huge underdogs 'on paper'.
The fact we have a much better team spirit than the Yanks should not be underestimated. Plus we have 4 of the most consistent players in the world ( G Mac, mccilroy, Donald and Westwood ). There are huge holes in the Yanks team in my opinion. |
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i think the yanks will have a pretty good team spirit. plenty of young players who are all good mates and in form. its going to be a massacre.
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Would worry re Kaymer and perhaps Colsaerts but hope I am wrong. Would not be certain re Garcia tbh either. The head says to back the US but how does one enjoy the tournament then.
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I think people get carried away with the quality of the American team partly because they see them more than our guys .
This season we have witnessed Phil driving the ball all over the place ,Tiger playing below his imperious past ( and he has been the best of their team ) , Furyk backing out of the one tournament he played really well in , Stricker being consistent but not winning often, Bubba up and down like Bubba is . Simpson has won , so has Dufner , Bradley has played well , Dustin can hit the ball anywhere , but the only reason to be scared of some of them on an individual basis is largely on their past glories record , certainly applies to Tiger , Phil and Jim who are their most experienced players , but getting past their sell by date ( and Tiger is beginning to go down that road ). You can also pick holes in the form of some of our players , notably Kaymer recently , but on his day he can beat most of the top players in the world as he proved getting to high world ranking . Four of our team have been world no 1 , think only Tiger has that accolade among the Americans . I just dont buy into the "super " team they have , think their media are bigging up their players to put bums on seats and generate interest in their efforts to redress their bad record over the last 10 years . And although I do not think Ollie has been brilliantly diplomatic so far in relation to team selection , he has surrounded himself with a good background team with more character than Davis will be able to muster among his lieutenants . There will be better craic in the European dressing room than in the American one , has been for years , and our players respond accordingly , team spirit . This is a better American team than they have put out for a while , and technically they are favourites with home advantage , but they are no shoe in . |
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I think there are strengths and weaknesses in both teams and although the likes of Kaymer have had a quiet year, we all know that form can come back at any point in golf and he has a month to find something.
I have to say I think the US have the more solid of line-ups and less we remember they were only beaten half a point on away ground two years ago. That said, I think the Europe side on paper is much improved on Monty's team from two years ago. |
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I think we(Eur) need to build up a healthy lead before the singles.As RF points out above,the European team looks good on paper but there's a couple there who are on the verge of being seriously out of form and singles golf usually finds out a players weakness a lot quicker than foursomes/balls.
Being realistic,i cant see anything other than a comfortable US win. |
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this europe having a better "team spirit" is a bit of a myth imo
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if the americans need a boost they can get "them shirts" out
the ones they wore when they trampled across olly's line whilst the tie was still live still dont understand why lehman didnt concede olly his putt, after such shamefull behaviour |
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man of god and all that...
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Maybe because it wasn't Lehman's to concede.
Only Justin Leonard, or maybe Ben Crenshaw, could have conceded that putt. I agree though, that the behaviour was slightly over the top, but over the top behaviour is what you get on American golf courses. |
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I think someone looked into this after the event and it is a myth that anyone stepped on Olazabal's line. It was just a bit of over-exuberance. Bit of sour grapes from the Europeans afterwards imo.
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there must have been 6 of them ran over his line and then group hugging
could only have been worse had tiger ejected a wad of baccy onto the line too |
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europe would still have lost with the concession, but a few of them septics showed how much losing must hurt them
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Donny... Nobody ran over his line. Fact.
That doesn't excuse them all charging onto the green ,though. |
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/sgp/99ryder/fs22.htm When Justin Leonard sank the putt that would win the cup, decorum broke down. Most of the seven American players, caddies and some officials stormed the green to embrace him. Thousands of people lining the fairway and leaning over the back of the bleachers on the 16th hole cheered riotously. And then a strange and awkward silence overcame those on and around the green of the 17th hole. A realization that Jose Maria Olazabal still had to putt, still had a chance to equal Leonard. Mark O'Meara told his teammates and the others to get off the green. The crowd quieted, and Julie Crenshaw, wife of team captain Ben Crenshaw, sat down and began to cry, first out of respect for the shattered gentlemanly tradition of the cup. ''I'm sorry they got on the green,'' she said to Jarmo Sandelin, a European team player. ''That's too much,'' he said with a frown and a shake of his head. The rest of the Europeans later agreed, expressing anger that the Americans and their wives ran across Olazabal's line when he still had a 25-foot putt that could change the outcome. He missed to seal his team's defeat. The Americans quickly collected themselves after the celebration, slightly embarrassed. ''I don't think those things happen on a golf course anywhere,'' Olazabal said. ''You show respect for your opponent.'' Colin Montgomerie, who was heckled throughout the tournament by fans, was outraged. ''I could not believe what I saw on the 17th green,'' the Scotsman said. Ben Crenshaw apologized and said the storming of the green was inappropriate. Tom Lehman apologized, too - partially. ''It was over-exuberance, no question about it. It wasn't a good thing. Sometimes you get carried away,'' he said. ''But the Europeans celebrated a lot at Valderamma. Today it was their turn to watch.'' After Olazabal missed, the crowd roared again. A few hands were shaken, and Davis Love III pulled the flagstick from the hands of a jubilant caddie and put it back with a look of irritation. Payne Stewart and Montgomerie were still to play the hole. Leonard looked stunned as he moved on to 18, followed by most of the American players and wives. Julie Crenshaw and her husband, who also was crying, found each other heading for the 18th and embraced. The Americans will look back often on the moment. And the Europeans will not forget it either, all of them because of the defeat and some for the Americans' reaction. ''It's about the most disgusting thing I've ever seen,'' Sam Torrance of England, a former Ryder Cup player, said. ''This is not sour grapes. ... Tom Lehman calls himself a man of God. His behavior today has been disgusting.'' Even before the Americans' celebration, Julie Crenshaw had gotten a glimpse of the hard feelings. She had gone up to O'Meara after he sank a putt on 17, and she got a glare from his opponent, Padraig Harrington, who was probably going to be conceded an 18-inch putt. ''Harrington didn't have to putt. The hole was over, but it was a good reminder that we have to behave properly even under such intense circumstances,'' she said. But it might have been too much to ask, even at The Country Club, a founding member of the United States Golf Association and one of the nation's most exclusive clubs. Indeed, the players later climbed out of the windows of the third floor of the men's locker room and onto a porch below to spray champagne on fans and sing the national anthem with them. Front Page News Money Sports Life Tech Weather Shop Terms of service Privacy Policy How to advertise About us © Copyright 2002 USA TODAY, a division of Gannett Co. Inc. |
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Yes, Donny.....
I repeat....Not one of the American team, or one of their wives, ran over his line. FACT. You believe what you want to believe. Ask Olly, if you get the chance. If you believe everything that you read, then no doubt, Freddie Starr ate the hamster. |
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you can watch the replay, most players come down the right side of the green, joined by others, some others have clearly come from left of picture and therefore across the green and olazabals line
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" NBC footage, and press photos, prove that no official rules (Ryder Cup, or PGA) were broken (i.e. no one walked in or crossed Olazabal's putting line)"
I know that it appears that I am believing what I am reading, but I remember the incident clearly. |
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its on youtube, you can see it again ....
i'm not aware of olly ever having mentioned it, to comment either way as people join the scrum on the green there is no way they didnt cross the green |
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So you can see the American team walking over Olly's line on youtube, can you ?
The definitive answer is, no you can't. |
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i cant find a picture that shows ollys line at the time the green was invaded so
your statement is correct, but the speed they joined the scrum leaves no doubt from which direction they joined the scrum |
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you even see justin leonard after a minute or so of jumping up and down, turn to face the other side of the green to stop yet more people crossing the green ....
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Jeez, Donny....I don't dispute the fact that people charged onto the green, but they did not cross Olly's line.
Even Sam Torrance (who I believe was a vice captain) has admitted that. |
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all the press at the time seem to think they did
seems some people are right, others are wrong i'll be happy to see a picture of the full green during the time it was invaded, as they all seem to have gone ... until then we have different opinions |
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Maggot is dead right..... no one actually went on Olly's line.
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OIly/Sergio holding a grudge against pod is pathetic
Hope yanks give them the Spanish omlette(egg on face) |
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Not sure Pod's good enough really.
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Whats the story behind the Pod/Olly fall out?
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Should be close, on paper it looks extremely close.
Luke and Sergio to win all four matches paired together  |
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Who give's a sh1t about the ryder cup? Lets face it golf is not a team game and never will be no matter how many times sky sports try to promote this rubbish. Even if it were a team game who can get carried away supporting a load of foreigners from Europe. It hardly makes you feel patriotic.
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Who says Olly and Garcia are holding a grudge against Harrington? - they had an argument 9 years ago, and havent spoken about it publicly since. The idea that Olly would have based his selection with this as any sort of consideration was dreamt up by a journalist with nothing to write about, and is frankly insulting to Olly
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Who give's a sh1t about the ryder cup? Lets face it golf is not a team game and never will be no matter how many times sky sports try to promote this rubbish. Even if it were a team game who can get carried away supporting a load of foreigners from Europe. It hardly makes you feel patriotic.
I used to love the Ryder Cup - the move to Sky has devalued it with the endless interviews and silly montages, and its all alot more pally now than it used to be - give me Seve v Azinger showing obvious hatred on the course anyday - its more of a glorified exhibition now (McIlroy was right about this, and shouldnt have retracted his comments because he felt embarrassed being asked about them on Sky last time out) |
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I give a sh1t about the Ryder Cup. It's still man versus man, depsite being a team event and often throws up some amazing golf, coupled with an electric atmosphere.
I love it and not ashamed to say so. |