From January to the end of March.....a mere warm up.....to see who is on form and vice versa.....the backing and laying.....many prayers......the first of the 4 Majors......grabbing all attention......liquidity on high.....clueless forumites from elsewhere asking silly questions......the ramping and de-ramping (not me).
In the past 3 months.....many predictions.....prices going up and down.....over-reaction and vice versa.....gotta love it.
The Masters, of course and rightly so, is the first high peak of interest into golf of the year.
The market based on the last 3 months form has more or less settled down......but i must stress that form is temporary and class is permanent.....will a previous winner win again at The Master or will there be a new winner......my prediction is a new winner.
Reading an article about The Masters and the draw bias......it says that because golfers can hit the ball further...a draw is not so important as it was 10 years ago....so the likes of Kaymer, etc, have no excuses....mmmmm.
Will an Englishman win.....not likely....although i would love one to win however when it comes to money......gotta ignore the colours and designs of the flags......and focus on the colour green.
Top 6 favourites in current order.
T. Woods...5.8.....currently no value.....back to his near best with a recent win....a blip or permanent return?....he did do very well last year despite all the problems his was having....will be dangerous to lay but the price is too low to back....expecting a bigger price in-running....a worthy favourite.
R. McIlroy....7.2....currently no value.....The new 'messiah'....'second coming'....let's be realistic....no doubt a very good player.....always seems to be in with a shout.....but doesn't win enough......couldn't back him until the weather on the day is nice and sunny with no or little wind....a worthy 2nd favourite.
P. Mickleson....14......currently no value......capable of winning this again.....he and Woods loves this course.....renewal of their rivalry?.....has shown great form this season....will that form continue on Thursday?....expecting a better price in-running as 14 is too low for me.
L. Donald...17.5....currently no value.....Englishman....the very word puts me off backing the next 3.....can Luke win The Masters....i can't see it happening....odds way too low.
L. Westwood...22.....currently dreadful value......he will never win a Major.....how can his odds be lower than Mahan?, Bradley, Schwartzel, etc,....i'll tell you why...because he is an Englishman.....sentimental/emotional betting based on flags is the quickest way to the poorhouse.
J. Rose...34.....currently dreadful value....win a tournament and suddenly the English goes bonkers.....6th favourite and just below Mahan (36).....what a joke....seriously, 6th favourite....Jesus wept....should be around 50 to 60.
However i'm not going through all the golfers.....
Share your opinions....facts...expertise.....keep it civil and humorous.
Trades done and matched so far.....in order of greens, highest first.
Rickie Fowler Webb Simpson Martin Kaymer Charl Schwartzel Hunter Mahan Rory McIlroy Phil Mickelson Tiger Woods
Have a good week everyone.
Moreover, this week can someone start a new thread for each day from Thursday to Sunday...it is traditional
you can get even money that K. Bradley makes the top 20 - I think thats a great price he has been one of the most consistant players over the last 6months.
you can get even money that K. Bradley makes the top 20 - I think thats a great price he has been one of the most consistant players over the last 6months.
The arrogant f ukker cost me 4k winnings last year but it has to be mac he cany be outside first 5 so 7.4 seems ok to me How tiger can be shorter Is amazing won't be in top 20
The arrogant f ukker cost me 4k winnings last year but it has to be mac he cany be outside first 5 so 7.4 seems ok to me How tiger can be shorter Is amazing won't be in top 20
Well I reckon if the lad Fowler is going to win,I might as well have a good pay out on him. I have no doubt whatsoever that he has the talent. It's just a matter of putting 4 good rounds together.
Well I reckon if the lad Fowler is going to win,I might as well have a good pay out on him. I have no doubt whatsoever that he has the talent. It's just a matter of putting 4 good rounds together.
I've backed Trevor Immelman for this @150s,won it in 2008 and three top 20s since his green jacket so Augusta obviously suits his game.The niggling wrist injury which has blighted his progress over the last three years re-appeared before The Transitions Tournament and he withdrew but showed no adverse affects at Bay Hill where he finished T11 and The Tavistock Cup where he finished T4.He twitted that his wrist held up well after Arnies tourney so hoping for a big tourney from Trevor. Good Luck all.
I've backed Trevor Immelman for this @150s,won it in 2008 and three top 20s since his green jacket so Augusta obviously suits his game.The niggling wrist injury which has blighted his progress over the last three years re-appeared before The Transiti
Rory, Phil, Rose, Scott, Bubba, Mahan, Van Pelt, Snedeker bigger bets (Rose I'm on at average 68; Hunter at 50; BVP 130 as early bets) Jimenez, Peter Hanson, Ben Crane, David Toms, Ishikawa, Ryan Palmer, Johnson Wagner my outside selections for smaller stakes
Just over £2k staked on here and meaning to trade
Rory, Phil, Rose, Scott, Bubba, Mahan, Van Pelt, Snedeker bigger bets (Rose I'm on at average 68; Hunter at 50; BVP 130 as early bets)Jimenez, Peter Hanson, Ben Crane, David Toms, Ishikawa, Ryan Palmer, Johnson Wagner my outside selections for smalle
DONALD 4200 MCDOWELL 7500 HARRINGTON 12000 STENSON 12000 WAGNER 15000 COUPLES 12000 SINGH 12000 HOWELL III 11000 Aarron BADDS 13000
FIELD -950
will add either snedeker or keega brad later.
DONALD 4200MCDOWELL 7500HARRINGTON 12000STENSON 12000WAGNER 15000COUPLES 12000SINGH 12000HOWELL III 11000Aarron BADDS 13000FIELD -950will add either snedeker or keega brad later.
I think it should even it self out over the the first two days, the morning starters tommorrow should have it calm & fair while thunderstorms are due in the afternoon, allegedly.
I think it should even it self out over the the first two days, the morning starters tommorrow should have it calm & fair while thunderstorms are due in the afternoon, allegedly.
The late starters will see their prices drift a bit before they start....especially if Tiger Woods get -4 or more. +20mph, if true, too windy for Rory...
The late starters will see their prices drift a bit before they start....especially if Tiger Woods get -4 or more. +20mph, if true, too windy for Rory...
main 4 selections all ew bo van pelt angel cabrera ryan palmer ye yang
have backed quite a few more on here at big for very small stakes also done few different markets
to shoot the lowest round ew 1/4 5 pp yang 80s cabrera 80s quite like this bet bit of interest all days if make cut
first round leader ye yang ew 100 1/4 5 robert garrigus 150 1/4 5
top debutant robert garrigus 14s scott stallings 33s
good luck too everyone
main 4 selections all ewbo van peltangel cabreraryan palmerye yanghave backed quite a few more on here at big for very small stakes also done few different marketsto shoot the lowest round ew 1/4 5 ppyang 80scabrera 80squite like this bet bit of in
P Mickelson 12/1 J Rose 66/1 G McDowell 66/1 B Haas 100/1 M Laird 125/1 T Immelman 125/1
For Trading
T Bjorn 240 P Lawrie 520 JM Olazabal 830/1
If even half of the top guys play at the same level they've been doing these past few months we could be in for one of the all-time great tournaments.
Gl everyone
http://betsmarttrading.com/tipsters/in-the-hole
Just 22 hrs to go yeeeooooooo Main SelectionsP Mickelson 12/1J Rose 66/1 G McDowell 66/1B Haas 100/1 M Laird 125/1 T Immelman 125/1For TradingT Bjorn 240P Lawrie 520 JM Olazabal 830/1 If even half of the top guys play at the same level they've been d
Ryan Palmer +16732.94 Hunter Mahan +2416.66 Scott Stallings +2393.86 Hideki Matsuyama +1774.34 Martin Laird +1704.65 Bill Haas +1456.84 Bo Van Pelt +1430.32 Jason Dufner +1338.74 Brandt Snedeker +1307.09 Sean O'Hair +1175.93 Y.E.Yang +1019.30 Ian Poulter +782.82 Ryo Ishikawa +703.74 Kyle Stanley +496.58 David Toms +447.22 Rory McIlroy (saver) +13.00 :)
Field -187.00
Just cannot wait now, good luck to all menRyan Palmer +16732.94Hunter Mahan +2416.66Scott Stallings +2393.86Hideki Matsuyama +1774.34Martin Laird +1704.65Bill Haas +1456.84Bo Van Pelt +1430.32Jason Dufner +1338.74Brandt Snedeker +1307.09Sean O'Hair +
I think with their current and course form,chances are the man wearing the green jacket come Sunday evening will come from the top 5 in the betting.Seeing as i'm not called Jeremy Chapman though i prefer to look further down the list and see what can be uncovered.The form and media hype surrounding Tiger,Rory etc has made for some great each-way value further down on some very decent players,so that's how i'll be playing it.I've gone for each-way bets on the following...
Webb Simpson-We know the old chestnut about first timers round Augusta but examples like Jason Day going very close on his debut last year give me encouragement about Simpson.He's been very in and out this year but looking at his stats it seems as though driving accuracy has been killing him this season.That won't matter so much this week to a guy that's long and generally mustard on and around the greens.
Brandt Snedeker-Off to a great start this season his form has dipped slightly lately but those tournaments have come on courses that i don't think played to his strengths.Not the longest of players,so the damp conditions won't be to his advantage but a good record round here and another guy who can putt with the best of them
Bo Van Pelt-Long,straight,hits greens and 8th here last year.The thing that clinches it for me though is that he currently leads the putting stats on the US Tour,a part of the game that was never his best.Doesn't win much but he is the true definition of a solid golfer.
Johnson Wagner-I never thought i'd be writing this a year ago but this guy has really stepped up a level this year.Not much Augusta experience but this guy has always been a good putter and now that the other parts of his game are on the up,i think he's worth a speculative punt at a big price.His current form is also very decent and would've looked even better but for poor final rounds in each of his last 3 events.
Sean O'Hair-A player i've always rated and i was expecting him to kick on this year after a good 2nd in Hawaii.His recent form doesn't jump off the page at you but poor final rounds in his last 2 tournaments have made his form look worse than what it really is.Also has a decent Masters record and a good show wouldn't surprise me.
Ryan Palmer-Currently 8th in the driving distance stats,4th in putting and finished top 10 here last year.He's quite hit and miss but i think he's a massive price considering all the things that are in his favour.Another who will be suited by the course playing long.
Good luck everyone!
I think with their current and course form,chances are the man wearing the green jacket come Sunday evening will come from the top 5 in the betting.Seeing as i'm not called Jeremy Chapman though i prefer to look further down the list and see what can
Chickened out in the end and had to cover Tigger as a saver.
Also took the last of the 200 about Karlsson for £38 yesterday.
That's it. I've been at this since last September,and the time has come to swap the betting boots for the viewing slippers.
Chickened out in the end and had to cover Tigger as a saver.Also took the last of the 200 about Karlsson for £38 yesterday.That's it. I've been at this since last September,and the time has come to swap the betting boots for the viewing slippers.
good luck,resisted the temptation to back tiger yet,convinced his 1st rd will be his worst so price should be bigger in running that rain looked heavy today also,may affect 1st rd scores.
good luck,resisted the temptation to back tiger yet,convinced his 1st rd will be his worst so price should be bigger in runningthat rain looked heavy today also,may affect 1st rd scores.
Birdie and eagle fiesta Hard to pick now...Tigeer was a great price going into this week not sure now...likely you got to be around -14 thru 3 rounds to be in this
Birdie and eagle fiesta Hard to pick now...Tigeer was a great price going into this week not sure now...likely you got to be around -14 thru 3 rounds to be in this
Tigers early start tomorrow could leave the rest of the field floundering. I pictured the -4 or -5 under and everyone else playing catch up. Anywhoo,not long to wait now until the action starts. (I didn't even watch the Par 3 nonsense,let alone bet on it,and by the sounds of the squealing,I'm glad I didn't)
Tigers early start tomorrow could leave the rest of the field floundering. I pictured the -4 or -5 under and everyone else playing catch up.Anywhoo,not long to wait now until the action starts.(I didn't even watch the Par 3 nonsense,let alone bet on
yes and it also suits the guys that can't create really great golf shots (like masters usually reacquires)...a few par 4s for the shorter guys will be really long...Luke probably one of the players with biggest disadvantage of current condition
yes and it also suits the guys that can't create really great golf shots (like masters usually reacquires)...a few par 4s for the shorter guys will be really long...Luke probably one of the players with biggest disadvantage of current condition
The final team has been assembled, some very nice prices, hopefully a few can deliver the goods.
Outright Luke Donald Geoff Ogilvy Bill Haas Webb Simpson Nick Watney Edoardo Molinari Robert Karlsson
First Round Leader Ryan Palmer E/W @ 125s
Top Amateur Bryden Macpherson E/W @ 8s
Will look to get involved in some Matchbets + 3 Balls tomorrow. Good luck everyone.
The final team has been assembled, some very nice prices, hopefully a few can deliver the goods.OutrightLuke DonaldGeoff OgilvyBill HaasWebb Simpson Nick WatneyEdoardo MolinariRobert KarlssonFirst Round LeaderRyan Palmer E/W @ 125sTop AmateurBryden M
Phil is the value at the top of the market and I have lumped on accordingly.Tiger v Rory show taking a lot of the pressure off Lefty this Masters. Good luck to all with your trading. Dunlop.
Phil is the value at the top of the market and I have lumped on accordingly.Tiger v Rory show taking a lot of the pressure off Lefty this Masters.Good luck to all with your trading.Dunlop.
Not previously a fan of backing Rory at single figures, but he's impressed me this year and I expect his strike rate to go up significantly. 90% of comps he trades shorter than his SP too. Also masters is often same faces every year, he can obviously get round the course fine and he seems much tougher this year. Been waiting for this one to lump on. Tiger's recent form is a big worry, but not sure his perma-fade off the tee will get him where he needs on some key holes, but i could be wrong! 80% my stake on Rory, with some hopefully live outsiders:
Rory +5.7K @8 Poulter +4.3K @120 Stanley +4K @170 Woodland +4.5K @140 O'Hair +4.6K @230 Quiros +4.6K @190 Bae +4.9K @240 Ed Mollinari +4.2K @350 KT Kim +5K @510 Field -1.1K
Was going to throw Stenson in too, but dont think he ever broke 70 there. Starting to think Sergio is value at 75 too! GL to everyone except tiger backers!
Not previously a fan of backing Rory at single figures, but he's impressed me this year and I expect his strike rate to go up significantly. 90% of comps he trades shorter than his SP too. Also masters is often same faces every year, he can obviously
Might go 1 or 2 more before the off but most of the value gone on those I wanted. Good luck all, can't wait.
Crane 10KQuiros 8.5KFrazar 7.8KSimpson 5.8KWilson 4.1KGarrigus 2.8KDufner 2.3KWagner 1.5KHowell 1KKT 500Field -205Might go 1 or 2 more before the off but most of the value gone on those I wanted. Good luck all, can't wait.
Donald +1.9K Yang +1.8K Mickleson +1.5K Pod +1K (Traded)
Field -210
Top 5
Pod +500 Yang +450
Field -35
Top 10
Harrington +900
Field -90
First beer only hours away. Good luuck to all & sundry.
Final book:WinnerDonald +1.9KYang +1.8KMickleson +1.5KPod +1K (Traded)Field -210Top 5Pod +500Yang +450Field -35Top 10Harrington +900Field -90First beer only hours away. Good luuck to all & sundry.
What time start on sky is it red button Been for early round to get in the mood already £50 down due to betting my partner I'd break 80. But nothing will break my excitement seems ages since last major
What time start on sky is it red button Been for early round to get in the mood already £50 down due to betting my partner I'd break 80. But nothing will break my excitement seems ages since last major
•Masters 2011 review - 2320-0020 BST, BBC 2, Wed 4 April
•Highlights of Thursday and Friday on BBC 2, 1900-2000 BST on Friday and 1515-1630 BST on Saturday. Red Button 0900 BST on Friday, 0715 BST on Saturday.
•Amen Corner on Saturday & Sunday, followed by holes 15 & 16, on Red Button & Online
•Live BBC 2 coverage on Saturday and Sunday from 2030 and 1900 BST respectively.
•Live coverage on BBC Radio 5 live from 2100 BST on Thursday and Friday.
•Live coverage on BBC Radio 5 live from 2100-0100 BST Saturday and 2000-0100 BST Sunday.
•Comprehensive live text commentary on BBC Sport website for all four days. Live TV coverage streamed online.
Not sure about Sky, cause I ain't got it!
THE MASTERS 5-8 April: •Masters 2011 review - 2320-0020 BST, BBC 2, Wed 4 April•Highlights of Thursday and Friday on BBC 2, 1900-2000 BST on Friday and 1515-1630 BST on Saturday. Red Button 0900 BST on Friday, 0715 BST on Saturday.•Amen Corner
Thanx plaster. I Reckon Heinz has done his benefit money on the cricket and can't have a bet There's an iPad ap for free on masters web looks ok if anyone interested
Thanx plaster.I Reckon Heinz has done his benefit money on the cricket and can't have a betThere's an iPad ap for free on masters web looks ok if anyone interested
Not put my nose in yet. Fast starts by Woods or McIlroy will create havoc in the markets. Can't back them both, so I'm ust going to back a few 100+ chances and and see what happens. Good luck.
Not put my nose in yet. Fast starts by Woods or McIlroy will create havoc in the markets. Can't back them both, so I'm ust going to back a few 100+ chances and and see what happens. Good luck.
Traded.....in order of greens, highest first. Stallings Rickie Fowler Webb Simpson Martin Kaymer Charl Schwartzel Hunter Mahan Rory McIlroy Phil Mickelson Tiger Woods Westwood
Backed....finally after weeks of waiting for their prices to drift. Steele Casey Watney Toms Glover
Laid Rose
Top 10 O'Hair Palmer Waiting on one more to be matched
Good luck everyone...happy trading guys and gals
Final list before the 'off'Traded.....in order of greens, highest first.StallingsRickie FowlerWebb SimpsonMartin KaymerCharl SchwartzelHunter MahanRory McIlroy Phil Mickelson Tiger WoodsWestwoodBacked....finally after weeks of waiting for their
My team is ready, also had £75 in my billy hills account so £75 on Tiger also. Beers in the fridge cooling, pizza delivery on speed dial :) here we go fellas GLA
Phil Mickelson 14 £25.00 £325.00 Hunter Mahan 40 £10.00 £390.00 Charl Schwartzel 50 £15.00 £735.00 Bubba Watson 48 £10.00 £470.00 Steve Stricker 65 £10.00 £640.00 Sergio Garcia 75 £10.00 £740.00 K.J. Choi 85 £10.00 £840.00 Martin Kaymer 80 £15.00 £1,185.00 Graeme McDowell 85 £15.00 £1,260.00 Angel Cabrera 110 £11.00 £1,199.00 Padraig Harrington 130 £6.00 £774.00 Rickie Fowler 110 £11.00 £1,199.00 Robert Karlsson 190 £11.00 £2,079.00 Thomas Bjorn 250 £6.00 £1,494.00 Miguel Angel Jimenez 320 £6.00 £1,914.00 Vijay Singh 384.02 £6.00 £2,298.10 Stewart Cink 516.93 £6.00 £3,095.60 Darren Clarke 630 £6.00 £3,774.00 Chez Reavie 960.73 £6.00 £5,758.40 Jose Maria Olazabal 1000 £5.00 £4,995.00
My team is ready, also had £75 in my billy hills account so £75 on Tiger also. Beers in the fridge cooling, pizza delivery on speed dial :) here we go fellas GLAPhil Mickelson 14 £25.00 £325.00Hunter Mahan 40 £10.00 £390.00Cha
Taken some out of Stallings, [b]Ski-Wiz[./b] Still maxi winner. The last four guesses were Stallings, Hanson, McIlroy and Westwood. Don't think even I can mess this one up.
Taken some out of Stallings, [b]Ski-Wiz[./b] Still maxi winner. The last four guesses were Stallings, Hanson, McIlroy and Westwood. Don't think even I can mess this one up.
Traded..... Stallings Rickie Fowler Webb Simpson Hunter Mahan Tiger Woods Nick Watney Justin Rose Luke Donald Charl Schwartzel Rory McIlroy Phil Mickelson Lee Westwood Bubba Watson Sergio Garcia Jason Dufner Louis Oosthuizen Miguel Angel Jimenez Henrik Stenson Martin Kaymer Peter Hanson Jim Furyk Padraig Harrington David Toms
Laid.... Fred Couples (nice guy....played well yesterday.....can't see him winning)
Top 10 Sean O'Hair (oh come on man....you can do it)
A round of -8 would be great for those +1 or more
Will have to start trading on Lawrie and Kuchar just in case
jayjay234 • April 4, 2012 12:30 PM BST bets above looking rather impressive
Traded.....Stallings Rickie FowlerWebb SimpsonHunter MahanTiger WoodsNick WatneyJustin Rose Luke DonaldCharl SchwartzelRory McIlroy Phil Mickelson Lee WestwoodBubba WatsonSergio GarciaJason DufnerLouis OosthuizenMiguel Angel Jimenez Henrik Stenson
Nah....I had the BBC, CBS online, SKY online.....out of the 3 BBC were miles ahead in term of coverage and speed.....CBS comes second and sometimes ahead of BBC......SKY was a joke.
BBC should bid for all golf tournies and show it on BBC 3 all day......now that would be a lovely dream.....
Nah....I had the BBC, CBS online, SKY online.....out of the 3 BBC were miles ahead in term of coverage and speed.....CBS comes second and sometimes ahead of BBC......SKY was a joke.BBC should bid for all golf tournies and show it on BBC 3 all day....