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pulio
23 Nov 17 21:11
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Received this email about data usage but I've been using betfair a lot less lately, often not logging in for days at a time.

Anyone else got something like this?





"Hello

This e-mail is an early warning about your recent levels of live Exchange market data usage. Live Exchange market data is for betting purposes only.

This restriction is clearly set out in our Terms and Conditions; in particular clause 17 relating to intellectual property which restricts use of Betfair data. For further information, view our T&C’s at http://forum.betfair.com/aboutUs/Terms.and.Conditions/#terms-betting-1.

Your data usage profile is consistent with a commercial user. Use of Betfair Exchange market data by any user in a commercial context requires a data licence. Betfair offers a commercial data licensing scheme, details of which can be found at https://developer.betfair.com/get-started/.

Should you wish to consume data for testing and or analysis, please use the historical data services - https://historicdata.betfair.com/#/home.

Unwarranted high data usage may result in a delay being applied to your account or the suspension or termination of your account in accordance with clause 6 of the Betfair Terms and Conditions.

‘6.     Cancellation, Termination, Suspension and Breach

We may restrict your access to Betfair, suspend or terminate your account, withdraw your offers for bets, void any bets outstanding to your account, cancel any unmatched bets or cancel and void any outstanding or matched bets in our absolute discretion without cause at any time including if:

v: ... your account’s ‘public market data’ usage (‘public market data’ includes market prices, traded Volumes and market depth) could represent ‘business usage’ (‘business usage’ includes any use by a betting operator or any use by an individual or organisation supplying data or services to a betting operator)’

Kind Regards

Betfair Limited | Winslow Road | Hammersmith Embankment | London | W6 9HP.

Registered in England and Wales under company number 5140986."

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By:
pulio
When: 23 Nov 17 22:27
"Your data usage profile is consistent with a commercial user."

What exactly is a "commercial user"? Do they think I'm a bookie?
By:
Gin
When: 23 Nov 17 22:43
Similar thread on Horse Racing forum:

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30961775/email-from-betfair-wtf-is-this-about---only-click-on-prices-max-10-times-a-day
By:
Get me a drink
When: 29 Nov 17 10:31
I was stunned to receive a similar email a few years ago when using Gruss with excel. I left it on 'auto market load' recording price changes with a VBA script for analysis, but wasn't betting at that time. They don't like you polling live data is what it is. I'm not a bookie or commercial user either, btw.

If you need to see prices look on the website without logging in. They are delayed though.

However, what if you want to look at prices in order to make a bet if the price moves in a certain way, but then it never does? You could get into trouble that way as well. How do people get around that?
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TheBaron
When: 29 Nov 17 15:20
Got a similar email about being a commercial user seemingly on the grounds that I must be if I use Gruss.  The fact that I hadn't placed a bet for 5 months seemed to go unnoticed.
By:
longbridge
When: 29 Nov 17 16:32
@TheBaron

I think that is not only noticed, but the very thing that  is noticed; if you're consuming a lot of data, they expect you to be placing a lot of bets.  If you're placing no bets, they'll assume you're using the data for a commercial puprose - eg pricing up a sportsbook.
By:
TheBaron
When: 29 Nov 17 17:33
I would agree with that if I hadn't canceled my Gruss subscription and not even logged on to Betfair via Gruss for 5 months.
By:
dave1357
When: 30 Nov 17 12:35
I was doing an automated system using excel/gruss and my normal betting using geekstoy and I got an email asking why I was using both.  So I would conclude that they are obsessed with data usage for some reason.
By:
longbridge
When: 30 Nov 17 14:14
"obsessed with data usage for some reason"

I'd say two reasons - one, that data usage costs them money to service and two, that, as the email alludes, they sell data to commercial users so don't want the same slurping it for free.
By:
pxb
When: 01 Dec 17 03:47
Worth checking recent login IPs (in security I recall) to see if someone else has been using your account to access data.
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dave1357
When: 03 Dec 17 10:24
longbridge I was really driving at that the impression given is that they are devoting far too much resources to the issue if they are investigating why someone with modest data usage (my automated betting only activated one minute prior to published off on selected races) is using two forms of API interface.
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