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Gin
18 Jul 16 13:59
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Purple have told me that they are increasing my commission rate permanently. They denied that it was a Premium Charge but then went on to explain that it was because they didn’t make enough money from me (i.e. it’s a premium charge under a different guise).

I searched the forum for any other mention of this but have only found one thread:

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30699895/purple-exchange-pc

This guy is lucky it’s only 5% - mine is higher.

I’m surprised nobody else has mentioned it on here.

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By:
pablo-fanque
When: 18 Jul 16 14:34
how much is yours ?
By:
Gin
When: 18 Jul 16 15:45
10%.

But I get the feeling that figure will increase if I don’t change the way I bet with them.

The point is that I’m sure some people have been holding on to the possibility of Purple making a stronger challenge to Betfair at some point in the future and bringing with it increased liquidity and no premium charge.

Although past history shows that to be unlikely it is now a non-runner.
By:
pablo-fanque
When: 18 Jul 16 16:05
poor move by purple
By:
pxb
When: 20 Jul 16 10:37
because they didn’t make enough money from me (i.e. it’s a premium charge under a different guise).

Bookie thinking.

I hope you closed your account.
By:
TheFear
When: 20 Jul 16 14:00
You'd swear purple don't want to succeed they are so incompetent.
By:
Latalomne
When: 20 Jul 16 15:20
Quite, TheFear.  Failed to capitalise (generally looked pretty uninterested in doing so) on every single gift-wrapped present given to them by BF - and there have been plenty.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 21 Jul 16 17:11
Impossible task
By:
DStyle
When: 21 Jul 16 21:37
the murkiness of it all is the worst bit.

fine to have a premium charge if they want it, but it should surely be in the T&Cs and completely transparent.
By:
Total Bosman
When: 21 Jul 16 22:50
Feels like a strange move when they are still so far behind BF in terms of liquidity - when BF introduced PC they could maybe afford to piss some people off but purple aren't exactly in the same position, in particular with so little else to differentiate them.  At the same time, they desperately need to attract rank and file punters alongside the PC refugees, so if (big if) the money really does go into advertising and product development it might be a good thing.  I'm not sure how much sponsoring Charlton will help but at least it shows they're still trying.  Kind of strange that Lads haven't done more to integrate the exchange a bit better, could have been an opportunity.
By:
kavvie
When: 23 Jul 16 23:53
this is like saying a bank that charges 20% intrest is better than on that charges 10..
By:
siwaadupa
When: 24 Jul 16 09:57
Are these PC Purple players eligible for every Wednesday paybacks? If they do(up to 150 Pounds per week refund in commission) someone who is on 10% will pay 5%. If they are on flat 5% then its 2.5% per week.- it's been(commission refund) extended to the end of the year- still not bad option.
$markets are doing extremely well, having pure exchange there. No video games, no matterless matches - flat 2% commission, plus pre play markets are deep with decent amount of money to bet(very often even more than on bf!)
By:
TheVis
When: 26 Jul 16 17:44
Purple have simply been a non-runner in exchange history. So many chances but never capitalised on a single opportunity.
By:
trilby22
When: 26 Jul 16 19:47
Purple?

Black Knight, for me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHlODWd4GeM
By:
the whizz kids
When: 27 Jul 16 23:44

Jul 26, 2016 -- 7:47PM, trilby22 wrote:


Purple? Black Knight, for me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHlODWd4GeM


How funny, It brought back memories of this guy I used to work with when I was a manager at Hills a few years ago.

He was was the drummer for Tygers of Pan Tang.

Nice guy to start with but turned out to be a right see you next Tuesday.

By:
Gin
When: 11 Aug 16 15:22
It makes a mockery of this - The B*tdaq Manifesto:

http://www.****tips.com/2013/03/09/the-****-manifesto/


All customers will benefit from Punting Equality – pledges by **** to keep commission low and check this out…. the first UK race will be commission free every day – you can’t get lower than that !

The manifesto includes no horrible â€Premium Charges’, more liquidity, events and markets on the site where winners are always welcome.
By:
Gin
When: 11 Aug 16 15:24
The forum won't show the link because it shows Purples name.

Try this link instead:

http://bit.ly/2aJnUtA
By:
stu
When: 11 Aug 16 21:14
out of interest, Gin, what sort of player are you primarily and do you think they targeted your 'type' of play?
By:
Gin
When: 12 Aug 16 12:01
Mostly trading cricket which has resulted in lots of small wins with not too many losses (therefore a high win/loss ratio).

They told me that they were targeting me because they didn’t make enough “yield” from me (ie % Gross PL / Commission paid).
By:
YOMOMMA
When: 12 Aug 16 16:56
How about Smarkets? They are 2%.
By:
Gallivanter
When: 17 Aug 16 06:58
How long will Sm@rkets last? Good luck to them.

The Gambling Commission (or whatever name it goes under now) should ensure that all bookies offering a price should stand to lose a certain amount at that price, first come, first served.

After that, they can adjust their prices to suit their books. Rinse and repeat.

Exchanges should charge a fixed commision to all punters, no "special" clients, and no exchange should "seed" their books. When you seed your book, you're no longer an exchange.
By:
longbridge
When: 17 Aug 16 14:55
Why does anyone care if Exchanges 'seed' their markets?  So long as they don't treat customers who win their seeding money any differently to customers who win other customers money, that is?
By:
Gallivanter
When: 18 Aug 16 20:03
If you seed your book, you're no longer an exchange operating only on commission. True exchanges don't care who wins. Bookies do care. Remember all that stuff about "welcoming winners"? You won't welcome them if it's your money they're winning.
By:
bettinghelp
When: 18 Aug 16 20:56
Exchanges seeding their own markets invites conflicts of interest.
By:
Gin
When: 19 Aug 16 13:30
Gallivanter 18 Aug 16 20:03 Joined: 10 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 2,930 | Blogger: Gallivanter's blog

True exchanges don't care who wins. Bookies do care.


Not quite true - exchanges do care if you win too fast (and therefore they don't make enough money from you).

That's why BF have had a premium charge for the last few years and now purple have followed them.
By:
stu
When: 21 Aug 16 00:37
Still find it crazy that they care if you win - they still make money from you. With no risk on their part.

The PC debate is and was founded on a crazy idea that the winners will ruin the exchanges, well guess what, they did it themselves long before winners ever had the chance to do the same.
By:
stu
When: 21 Aug 16 00:38
winners will stop exchanges from working....I know what, let's just stop them working ourselves...Crazy
By:
Johnny The Guesser
When: 24 Aug 16 07:44
The big winners killed the exchange model. They are the ones to blame.
By:
stu
When: 28 Aug 16 15:32
How will we ever know if that's true Jonny, you're speculating on something that wasn't allowed to happen - the PC killed the money before the winners got the chance to.
By:
pxb
When: 29 Aug 16 03:14
The idea that big winners killed the exchange is simply wrong. If were true, the many thousands of exchanges across the world (stocks etc) would be in trouble and they clearly aren't.

Ignoring the PC, the bf exchange problem is one of pricing the cost of trading. The solution would be a small additional charge per trade, say 10 cents.

The PC was really about maximizing short term revenue, without regard to the long term consequences for growth of the exchange.

I've said before, all successful internet businesses are volume businesses (think Amazon). Once you get to a certain size, it becomes almost impossible for viable competitors to emerge. Something bf will learn to its cost, sooner or later.
By:
stu
When: 02 Sep 16 09:16
will there be another 'amazon' exchange to rival BF then...?
By:
pxb
When: 02 Sep 16 21:42
will there be another 'amazon' exchange to rival BF then...?

A some point there will be. The main barrier IMO are the legal restrictions almost everywhere, which make any kind of transnational exchange difficult. It may well come out of India, where cricket betting is huge and is gradually being legalised.
By:
bingo bongo
When: 03 Sep 16 03:48
There are a few start ups already trying to get in on this market, using the bitcoin analogy. However, crypto currency is still too complicated and volatile for most people to use, and I don't think the technology is quite there for a decentrialised exchange on the scale needed. If these issues are resolved then a global low cost exchange could be viable.
By:
pxb
When: 03 Sep 16 22:01
There is a general misconception that building the software application is a major barrier to entry. It isn't. I have a pretty good idea how much it would cost. The main barrier is getting a critical mass of punters and traders, which is why I think it will come out of somewhere like India.
By:
spurs to buy big
When: 07 Sep 16 00:45
so its India then ..
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