Oct 24, 2013 -- 11:29PM, scotbet wrote:
not forgetting the idea is to try and bust out of the bookie and win on the exchange
So wouldn't the system then be to simply lay the ones you know are going to lose, for any amount you want?
Oct 28, 2013 -- 3:24PM, LordBobbin wrote:
Oh dear... Poor little BJT... You really are determined to quash this, even though there are now a bunch of users on here confirming that they do similar systems, and that they work. No 'truth starting to come out'. SB did give me the winnings, but the free bet that I had sitting on my account was removed. No loss, but I did have my future use of a free bet taken off me.I have said numerous times on this thread that this is a pretty much flawless system, and about the only thing that can go wrong is that the bookie reneges on your bet. If you stick to 2/1 or 3/1 shots, this is unlikely to happen, since there's little they would have to be suspicious or annoyed about - although, obviously, if you've had previous accounts with them, and are only pretending to be new, they'll probably withdraw the offer. So, stick to my guidelines and there's very little chance indeed that the system will go wrong - there is a very small chance, still, hence my figure of 95% rather than 100%. But if you stick to 2/1 shots, what's the worst that can happen? Generally, they'll take the free bet off you before you've had a chance to use it, in which case you would only lose the money spent trying to get to the free bet in the first place. With Sporting, a £50 bet needed to be placed before getting the freebie. Had I been doing the system in this case (this incident actually happened before I started using free bets in this way), I might have lost £3 or so on the initial £50 bet. And that would have been it. £3... It's possible SB could have refused to give me the winnings at all. That's very unlikely, since it gets them into all sorts of potential problems- generally speaking, if bookies are suspicious about you but have no proof, they pay up and then close your account, unless they're on the line for a huge sum. Had SB refused to pay up, I would have lost however much my lay was. On a 2/1 shot, you'd be looking at a loss of around £100. Painful, but no big deal.As I've said, stick to shorties, and the chances that a new user will have their bets left unpaid by a bookies are tiny. Even if the 5% chance happens, and they don't pay out, you'll only be £100 or so down. There are several hundred pounds available to new users in fairly simple free bets, so you're almost certain to end very much in profit, despite one setback. And that one setback won't happen if you stick to short-priced horses.Nothing for a 'big fish' like you to see here, BJT. Jog on, old bean.
There is a massive difference between:
"This system always wins" and "I guarantee it"
"Pretty much flawless", "you'd be looking at a loss of around 100. Painful, but no big deal."
You are fighting a losing battle...
Oct 29, 2013 -- 7:08PM, LordBobbin wrote:
No. No. No. No. No. No. The essential part of the system (my system, this is - I can't speak for iptl's) isn't anything at all to do with the sodding free bets themselves. Once you've got to the point of having received the free bet, what you do with it is up to you. (A few of us may argue over whether it's better to play the free bets as long or short odds, or whether it's better to play them outright, or hedge in order to take them in smaller but almost guaranteed installments, but those arguments are pretty much irrelevant.)The key to the system is that you earn the free bets despite having risked only very small amounts of money on the previous qualifying bets. It's the qualifying bets that you're hedging. Rather than placing five £50 qualifying bets, and risking losing £250, or whatever, you're hedging the five qualifying bets and then taking a fairly fixed £3 loss (or whatever) on each one. You then receive a free £50 bet, and when you cash in on that, you make back the £15 loss and more besides. Do that at a string of different bookies, and you're almost guaranteed to make several hundred - the bookies don't close you down, because there's nothing in your dealings with them to suggest that you're anything other than an average punter with an average record. It's not big money. And I never said it was original, or that you needed to be intelligent to do it. However, it is an almost guaranteed way of turning free bets into real cash. A lot of newbie punters wouldn't know that, and would fritter away their free bets on shots that generally don't come in. For them, it might be useful to know there's another way.The only reason I keep writing hundreds of words, is because you keep rubbishing the idea, having got completely the wrong end of the stick for the 10 millionth time. How many different takes have you had on this now?? You stop shoe-horning yourself in, and I'll stop writing 300 word responses to you.
No. No. No. No. No. No. The essential part of the system (my system, this is - I can't speak for iptl's)
Say what? You can't speak for iptl? So what the fcuk are you trying to do. You have been in here defending him the whole thread, arguing his points. Speaking for him.
The system here, that never loses, that is guaranteed to win, every time, is about hedging free bets.
I couldn't give a flying fcuk how you go about using free bets. The system (do you know what a system is?) is the one that has been discussed the whole thread.
The simple fact is, the 3 of you defending this "system" are arguing how you all do it differently.
Well guess what simpletons, it isn't the same fcuking system then is it. If you do things differently, you aren't all talking about the same thing.
You can't speak for iptl? So don't.
Oct 29, 2013 -- 7:48PM, scotbet wrote:
BJTYou want your cake and eat it mate - seriously hereYou quite rightly state that a 6/1 is expected to win no more than 1 in 6But when I quote a 12/1 bet on the free bet system ..... hey wait a minute it might be an evens chance according to you. Noted and understood.Can the 6/1 chance earlier in the thread not be an evens chance to? Or does it depend on who is saying it? Explain
You are asking the wrong question, but you are close, and correct at the same time.
Where you went wrong is in this part:
Can the 6/1 chance earlier in the thread not be an evens chance to?
You really needed to follow the theme of your questioning more precisely.
The point was that the bettor did not have an opinion on the price except that the law of averages should see it getting home.
Somebody very good at pricing up horses chances may have indeed had that horse as an even money chance, and bet accordingly. The bettor mentioned previously, did not have that same view.
So yes, the person with the opinion could quite rightly expected a 50% chance of winning, while they other without an opinion on the specific horse could really expect nothing better than running to the odds that were taken rounded to a 100% market.
Oct 30, 2013 -- 6:36PM, iprefertolay wrote:
BJTs reply that he would choose c) to maximise profits is adnmission it wins.When I pointed this out to him his response is just to attack not myself but to the lord with crass comments.
I never said it wasn't possible to win. What I said, is that you can't guarantee it, and you certainly can't be sure to win every time as you are claiming in your pathetic attempt to make money off others. You can't even guarantee that it will win.
The whole thread is really a joke. Somebody that has a guaranteed system that never loses, looking for handouts because he is broke.
Nov 2, 2013 -- 11:22PM, iprefertolay wrote:
Is BJT sleeping well it soon gets MondayWon £200 peanuts today but monkeys like nuts.
You made a whole 200 pounds? Wow. You are set for life.... Maybe now you can stop your online begging trying to take peoples fivers....