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More detail can be found here:
http://corporate.betfair.com/~/media/Files/B/Betfair-V2/press-releases/2013/07-05-2013.pdf |
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The company is in tremendous shape , just ask its customers
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"The Company’s experience in Australia regarding pricing implies a revenue opportunity" - this is interesting, and ties in with recent comm. rises in certain jurisdictions. Probably the clearest indication yet that base rate commission may well increase in the not too distant.
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Commission on this market 6.5% Market Base Rate (minus your discount) That completely passed me by. |
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Yes, the potential for a rise in commission stood out.
As did them saying exchange licences are expected in New Jersey and California. I was aware of California but not New Jersey. Not having read up on it, I'm assuming there might be some differences to how the exchange operates in the UK. |
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http://corporate.betfair.com/~/media/Files/B/Betfair-V2/pdf/Betfair-7-May-13-presentation.pdf#page=21
On page 19, that they forcast a massive increase in the Number of In-play matches/markets they will offer on the Sportsbook over the coming months, whilst they close side markets down on the Exchange :) |
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Do the Aussies pay PC and Super PC ?
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Shirley, where did you see the 6.5%? Isn't that just for the horse racing?
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The presentation itself should be here.
http://www.livestream.com/betfair_internal They might expand on pricing. |
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Yes, horse racing only & to cover the NSW levy of 1.5%.
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Some basic stuff in this presentation. Astonishing that they mention cost savings in travel and accommodation. What was this organsiation like before?
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Thanks.
My favourite part of the presentation so far is the chap saying we should all visit Stevenage as it's a lovely part of London. |
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Focus = New meat to the Sportsbook
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Somebody ought to ask what they are providing in their financial statements for miselling or other penalties when they so blatantly fail to distinguish fully between the exchange and the sportsbook.
You got any mates at that presentation that can ask that question TP? |
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Talking about their 'covenant with the layers' now - sportsbook bets being fed into the exchange to provide best execution is in their plans. "Wouldn't be here without the exchange" Encouraging.
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dan33 • May 7, 2013 10:27 AM BST
Talking about their 'covenant with the layers' now - sportsbook bets being fed into the exchange to provide best execution is in their plans. "Wouldn't be here without the exchange" Encouraging. They have been making a habit of providing clear arb opportunities. I am surprised that they don't have sirens automatically going off on the sportsbook traders desks to highlight each and every opportunity. |
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Shirley, afraid I'm not aware of anyone I know being there.
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CEO mentions the forum! Looking to make pricing more efficient not necessarily higher. Apparently some countries are being tested with higher pricing and some with lower. I vote for lower.
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Morgan Stanley guy going for the throat there with ASA concerns on latest ad campaigns...
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And the CEO evades the question.
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My thoughts exactly TP
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Ignores it completely yes - think they're almost certainly aware those ads aren't legit.
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Ref to selling sportsbook on the back of perceived value in the exchange .... just to make sure we are talking the same thing.
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Yes, that was the question but the CEO ignored/misunderstood it.
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It was comforting to hear, ref to flexible pricing, that they do actually look at the forum, that's a positive. A negative is analysts asking a question, not getting an answer and not persevering with their question.
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Yep. Plenty of positives in there but that's what you'd expect when not pressed and no more than a trading update.
I wasn't aware the exchange could be back in Spain so soon. Italy too. Software soon to be implemented that will feed bets from Sportsbook through to the exchange will be an interesting development. Looking at pricing and acknowledging the bad will they've built up with the current customer base is promising too. I'm all for the Sportsbook and using it as a gateway for new customers to move to the exchange but I still don't approve of betfair.com being the fixed odds site with new/casual punters having to click on a link to find the exchange. |
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Also reassuring that they're not aiming on making the Sportsbook a market leader, just the minimum a customer would expect from such a site.
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Encouraging news on expansion overseas. That really is key to future of exchanges. It'd be great to get China on board soon too.
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What will the proposed takeover offer be now that the company has reported such fantastic progress
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If progress is so great why is it so hard to get a bet matched? Or more likely it's all cherry picked nonsense like they write on their customer commitment. Why don't they update everyone on the beta website and loading... please wait message I had for months.
W A N K E R S. |
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The statement wd not satisfy me if I were a potential investor.
It seems they've had to find 30 mill. of efficiencies to tread water on revenues and lose approx. 18% of retained earnings. I wd have wanted the CEO's statement to have addressed why earnings were particularly good or bad in any one year. Don't like the sound of efficient / flexible pricing either. If bf gave California 5% basic comm., it wd be so astonishingly better than the totes that the exchange phenomenon wd start up all over again like it did in Australia. If you go on the Aussie forum, you see that bf is held in far higher regard there (or was held in high regard for longer) than it is or was in its core territory. |
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I don't like it either... Company was sold as a growth company but they've given up on growth and the strategy is all about monetisation, cost savings... sounds like a mature (low growth) business to me.
Peer to peer businesses are natural monopolies (everyone better off when all customers using same platform)... betfair have about 12% share of UK online betting http://www.slideshare.net/psmcguin/uk-online-gambling-market-intelligence-report-11868167 They should have a 70% share... |
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J_Livermore
Peer to peer businesses are natural monopolies in an ideal world, sure... but in the real world, this is offset by monopolies allowing businesses to take the p!ss out of their customers i'd be happy for a good alternative platform to split the liquidity just to reintroduce some competition into the exchange market. 2 efficient, customer-friendly exchanges with a 35% share each would be vastly preferable to where we are atm imo, and also preferable to a single exchange with a 70% share that can abuse its customers as much as it likes |
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I was really talking as an investor...
ideal position for punters is two good sized exchanges. 10 years ago I thought high streets would see bookies pushing their business through betfair, but alas. Have you seen ebay fees recently!? |
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Are Ebay fees good? Didnt Betfair recruit some of the top management from ebay?
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the customer acquisition numbers beg a couple of questions:
*do they include the 120,000 bluesq customers BF got for 5 million as reported on april 3? *what effort if any was made to exclude the duplicate accounts - ie Bsq customers who already had BF accounts? depending on the answers to those questions, the numbers may not be a very good reflection of the underlying picture. you'd also want to know what proportion of those accounts were active as opposed to accounts that were opened by MSE-type bonus-tarts then left dormant, and how that's been factored into BF's calculations. |