IMPROVE YOUR BETTING conference great success

Are there any attendee forumites who could comment?

I took the plunge and atteded the conference. It was an enjoyable weekend and very interesting, especially for those who take their betting seriously, or like me are wanting to take their betting seriously.

I think where this conference differed from other such events, is that it was not organised to sell you a product/software etc like others seem to be.
The introduction to data modelling with R by Dr Alun Owen was excellent and R is a free product! This guy really knows his stuff.

Other topics complemented the modelling and data analysis well, such as problems with data analysis and possible solutions, validation etc. All the presenters seemed very knowledgeable.

There were a few little niggles with timing etc, but this was their first conference to be fair, and the presenters were approachable during the lunch break and on the saturday night social get together. They even welcomed continued contact via email as well.

I'd say it was a success and will be at least an annual event. I'm hoping so.

If anyone has any questions then feel free, don't forget one of the speakers was Simon Rowlands head of R&D at Timeform and Betfair blogger and one would assume he is unlikely to get involved unless the organisers are serious about their stated intent, which is quite simply to improve peoples betting strategies and thinking.

What's with the 'we' Olias?

On the 5th of April when you joined you were pretending to just be a punter exited that someone was putting on a betting conference


OliasOfSunhillow
When: 05 Apr 12 18:27
| Topic/replies: 14 | Blogger: OliasOfSunhillow's blog
Just what I have been looking for. Had a chat with the organisers and the presenters are some top people in the world of successful betting.

Was it so good that you quit your job and started working for them?

Who is Mancabilly?

Another alias of OliasofSunhillow.                     1.10
The other person Olias refers to when he says "we".    10.0
Somone not at all involved with the organiser(s).      1000

Considering Mancabilly has only ever posted twice, once about a smartsig competition and the other all excited about them putting on the course I'll take sonme of that 1.10 please

" their stated intent, which is quite simply to improve peoples betting strategies and thinking. "

ooh. free courses. sounds good

can someone ping me when the clarification statement appears

tar

I'll take sonme of that 1.10 please

Hehe, ok, I was just thinking that 1.10 maybe was too low and 10 too generous:) The 1000 is so low only because it's the max on this site.

(If you haven't noticed already Mancabilly started the thread where Olias later pretended to be an excited punter.)

You can't reuse aliases like that. 1/10 for effort

just had a look at the website.

presumably i don't need to register my interest, as because it's free, i can just turn up on the day.

i suggest everyone else interested does the same.

It was a great success.  Before I went to the conference I was just a humble punter, doing my best against the sharks.  The systems they showed me have now turned me into Jaws.  Whilst this has improved my punting no end to be a big shark, I am worried why I now seem to have all metal teeth.

Yes, I had success too, was good to meet Mancabilly, ballabriggs and Oliasofsunhillow.  A good time was had by all, thank you for buying the champagne afterwards in Spearmint Rhino Mancabilly and ballabriggs.

In the words of Ian Hunter:

you're never alone with a schizophrenic

HAHAHAHAHA. Ghetto Joe sniffed out the bull shiit in about 2 seconds.  Makes you wonder about the quality of the great betting conference.  If the promoters take the BF formulites as a bunch of mugs, one can only wonder what they feel about the conference attendees.

>"We will be repeating the conference on September 8th and 9th"

Olias, I am interested in attending but please can you explain what has changed (improved?) to justify the doubling of price from £99 to £199?

The first run was really a pilot hence the ridiculous price of £99. Essentially we wanted it to be a bargain in case we had any unforseen teething problems. As it happened things went smoothly. The current price is more realistic for a two day conference. If you check out conference prices you will see that £199 is still ridiculous for two days. I went on a trading seminar the other day and for one day it was £150 and I have to say the calibre of presenters were not as high as this conference. Dr Alun Owen for example has just finished his PHd in football data modelling from a betting perspective and is member of the sports data modelling group within the Royal Statistical Society.

Thanks Olias, that sounds fair enough.  I am only interested in the "Money Management" section and was just trying to decide whether still worth it for just that one topic (would be good to meet some of the competition too ;) ).

There may be slight changes but nothing major. For example Simon is considering covering pace analysis which would be timely with the possible introduction of sectionals at AW tracks and the fact that he is an advisor on this venture and very knowledgable on American style pace analysis. There is also chat about switching the automatic bet placement section from a visual basic express platform to R so that we are discussing an all in one bet analysis and bet placement platform. But dont get the impression that you have to be a techno wizard to attend, you dont. There is plenty for those that are and for those that are not.

By the way Getafix be prepared to be labeled as some sort of buddy or side kick of mine any minute now :)

Lol, tbf you didn't really help yourself with the previous thread you created with the dodgy marketing.  I am sure it would have sold itself without the need for that... the content for the conference looks pretty good.  Pushing that aside...

Pace analysis would certainly be of interest to me.  I started downloading the data from Turftrax a long time ago wrt sectionals etc shame there wasn't enough interest as it was eventually abandoned (before I had time to amass enough decent sectional data to safely start analysing) - assume they couldn't afford/pass on the costs?  Out of interest do you have any links/additional info with regards to this AW sectional timings proposal e.g what technology being used, who is taking on this venture etc?

I'm conflicted here now... the content does look good, but the unaddressed schizophrenia has put me off.

Accept my apologies Livermore

not necessary to apologise - I just wonder what's really going on.  Is it that you first thought you would present it as something you found (so that you would appear independent), but that you then just gave up on that approach?

A clumsy attempt to keep the thread alive but don't let this put you off. The seminars are first class and as you suggest you wont get this content at the proverbial Cheltenham preview night

wait a minute, these courses cost money?

how can that be right?

If you see it as a cost rather than an investment then we probably cannot help

but your stated intent is quite simply to improve peoples betting strategies and thinking.

surely, with such altruistic ambitions, there should be no cost involved at all.

If it was free then by definition it would be worthless

IF I FIND AWAY OF MAKEING MONEY FROM GAMBLING IM SHOWING NOBODY IT ,IM SURE IF THEY COULD MAKE MONEY FROM GAMBLING THEY WOULDNT SHOW YOU EITHER

I WOULD JUST KEEP INCREASING MY STAKES UNTILL I HAVE SEVERAL PENTHOUSES,A COUPLE OF BOATS AND AEROPLANES AND HELEECOPTERS AND A ROCKET AND AN ISLAND OR TWO,IM NOT HOLDING ANY SEMINARS

THE SAME PEOPLE THAT GO TO THESE SEMINARS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT PAY FOR BOTTLED WATER

OliasOfSunhillow 25 May 12 12:54 
If it was free then by definition it would be worthless


and if it were valuable then you wouldn't part with it.

i wonder how much time you spend during your conference discussing liquidity limitations.

Give 'em a break DStyle.
Apart from the unfortunate spamminess of the few opening posts, it doesn't seem to be all that bad.
Let's face it, it's not a conference claiming to show you how to win, but only how to improve your data analysis techniques,money mgt skills , and other general betting matters.
In that sense, you could argue that the more the general punting public becomes aware and skillful in these areas, the more in fact general liquidity might potentially increase across all available markets.
After all, even if we all become skilled in these areas, we're not all then going to be betting in the same direction at the same time.
It will still boil down to personal preferences and perceptions.
And to pre-empt, I don't know these people from Adam, nor do I intend to attend any of their conferences.
But I don't see the reason to kneecap them, if they are in fact providing some sort of reasonably goo, ethical product. And I certainly see no problems in their charging ( and making a profit) to cover the costs of recruiting outside experts, as they would seem to be doing. That just good old plain sense and good old capitalism. Or is that out of style in the modern UK ?

Btw it's been a while since I dusted off my high horse.
Feels good to be back in the saddle.
This forum hsas got awfully tepid recently.

there's nothing wrong with a cheaply priced conference which aims to educate people, and there's nothing wrong with the organisers and lecturers being paid for their efforts.

i have a problem with the methods being used to drum up interest and that the pricing in nowhere to be seen on the website. there's a whiff of spiced ham about them which doesn't fit with a reputable outfit which apparently sold out very quickly

OliasOfSunhillow • May 25, 2012 11:15 AM BST
A clumsy attempt to keep the thread alive but don't let this put you off. The seminars are first class and as you suggest you wont get this content at the proverbial Cheltenham preview night

Olias, pretty tacky.

The price is on the web page towards the top. Thanks for those words frog hair, I have read your postings on other threads and would expect you to understand the content.

The price is on the web page towards the top. Thanks for those words frog hair, I have read your postings on other threads and would expect you to understand the content.

OliasOfSunhillow

Blimey that takes me back - Jon Anderson concept album - cheese cloth shirts and brushed denim jeans and me with a Jeff Lynne hair cut.

Ahh them was the days hot summer afternoons with lots of birds and beer !

Not relevant whatsoever but ho humm.

Yes Lex great album, getting back to the conference and the points made that no one would give anything away. Frog hair is correct in that in a changing betting world we all need core analytical skills if we are to evolve. Most punters have no idea how to analyse bet data nor the foggiest idea about money management. These skills are needed to get ahead and stay ahead and are very much a part of the conference. The price is ridiculously cheap, now you might say that I am bound to say that but if any of you know anything about professional conference circuits you will no what I mean

can ya give Mancabilly a nudge, he needs to post NOW...

NB. Mancabilly was the originator of the thread advertising the smartersig Conference:

Improve your betting first UK conference


Mancabilly
03 Mar 12 09:17 Joined: 15 Oct 11 | Topic/replies: 1,389 | Blogger: Mancabilly's blog
First ever UK improve your betting conference coming, details at

www.smartersig.com/conference.doc

Every single one of his forum posts relates to smartersig in some way!

They should run an online marketing conference too

I don't know anything about the quality of these conferences, but I have downloaded some of the articles on the website before. Some of them are very interesting and helpful. The Alun Owen articles are well worth it if you're a footy punter and want to get into the data analysis side of things.

Mancabilly


hurry up...

delta my clock is fooked is it not about time .

Never mind about all that .. !

Jon Anderson sequel album  to Olias due 2012 !

I luv Google.


Oh and save yer selves a bit of money.

For every bet write down the stake and your return.
from this you can derive your average odds.
Write down for every bet the odds that you got for that bet.
In less than 100 bets you will know if youre making money or not and why.

Thats money management done in under 50 words. Its shocking that hardly anyone who loses money keeps accounts and yet most of those that are successful, do. Making money is a business and to run a business you need to sell at a higher price than you buy and in sufficient volume. You also need to keep accounts to see how youre doing.
it aint rocket surgery.

There is so much money to be made from selling punters and potential punters "information". 

I think I will start a service too.

THERES NOT ONE OF THEM MAKEING MONEY FROM GAMBLING ,THATS WHY THEY SELLING YOU INFORMATION ,THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO ,WELL WHY DONT THEY USE THERE KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE THEM SELVES A FORTUNE ,ANY BODY CAN TELL A GOOD STORY ,ITS THE PROOF IN THE PUDDING THAT COUNTS

YOU DO THIS THEN YOU DO THAT ,THEN YOU GET YOUR CALCULATOR OUT AND DO THIS WITH DISCIPLINE ,THEN IF ITS NOT GOT THE PERCENTAGE VALUE REQUIRED ,YOU DELETE IT FROM YOUR EQUATION AND START AGAIN
WHAT ALOAD OF COBBLERS

PS THIS IS JUST MY OPINION ,YOUR ALL ENTITLED TO YOURS ,IM ON THE SCRAPHEAP

I really enjoyed the conference and found it very useful. Some of it was a bit unfocused and needs improving, but it was the pilot  after all which the price reflected. The "R" talks were excellent and the highlight. The meal out together was a lot of fun. A great bunch of people and a rare treat to be able to discuss gambling intelligently with a group of like minded people. Leicester its self is a bit skanky but we found an excellent Indian restaurant close to the hotel and a quiet pub with a pool table you could get to play on on a friday night. I'd recommend you all go!

I too, enjoyed the conference.

I am going to use what I call the 'sandwich' technique. I mention a bad point but defend it. I mention a few good points. I end with a bad point which suddenly morphs into an alright point!

All in all, you should all definitely go!

I don't know if I am qualified to make this recommendation as I have more than 15 posts.

I did not attend, and I also think it was excellent.

I DID NOT ATTEND AND I DIDNT KNOW THERE WAS A POOL TABLE NEAR BY ,DID THE  CUES HAVE TIPS ON THE END

Yes, I had success too, was good to meet Mancabilly, ballabriggs and Oliasofsunhillow.  A good time was had by all, thank you for buying the champagne afterwards in Spearmint Rhino Mancabilly and ballabriggs.

why was "ballabriggs" talking about meeting himself

CrowsEye • May 26, 2012 2:16 PM BST

I am going to use what I call the 'sandwich' technique.

Funny, I used something called the 'sandwich' technique, as well when I was 16.  Involved two friends of mine: Sylvie Chapdelaine and Carolyn Donn. 

Made the weekend of camping much more memorable

infact, that should have been

i went and it was ****

False names I hope shape.
You never know.
Some poster on here might have married one of them.

Could those who (genuinely) attended please provide a review of the conference.

I would also be interested in questions such as:
- How much was this aimed specifically at traders?
- How much was specific to horse racing and not other sports?

As a recreational punter (not a trader) who has no interest in horses, but who is interested in the sections on R, data analysis and programming, I am split on whether this would be worthwhile for me.

Thanks

There was nothing that was aimed at traders and the only talk that was specific to horse racing was the talk on ratings. The most useful part by far were the "R" talks. Although horse racing was used as an example to teach the software you could use it for any sport. It is worth going just for those talks.

The programming section didn't really have enough time to go into all that is needed for full automation. You will learn how login automatically through the API, place a bet and cancel. Things like getting market information were not included. It was interesting, but I'm not in a position where I can run off and write a full blown bot for example. But that's fair enough I feel given the time restraints.

There rest of the talks were ok and interesting in part but could have been better.

But all in all, let's remember it was a pilot. It will improve. And I had a really enjoyable weekend away.

Great feedback, pumpkinslayer.  Thanks.

I believe that I may have attended this. I went to the venue, got bundled into the back of a van. 

Then the 'nice men' who did this punched 10 bells out of me and robbed my wallet.

I feel that I had the full gambling experience and would recommend it highly!

wots going on hear please!

they are so good at betting they want to give their edge away....

winners on here DO NOT TELL .

The most important thing to find out is HOW to find an edge not please give me an edge for free. An edge can come and go but if you have the skills and technique to discover new ones you will remain in profit and this is what the conference does. Couple with that you will be mixing with some experienced and successful players.