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bob_terwilliger
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hi #

according to records supplied by betfair, my net P+L figure is massively worse than the difference between total deposits and withdrawals over lifetime of my account.

how can this be?
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Report bob_terwilliger • April 16, 2012 7:57 PM BST
*£1000 worse
Report bob_terwilliger • April 16, 2012 7:59 PM BST
*£1000 worse roughly. whereas my gross P+L figure is almost the same as diff between total deposits and total withdrawals Confused
Report [x] These checkboxes suck • April 16, 2012 10:29 PM BST
casino, exchange games, poker?
Report ror • April 16, 2012 10:59 PM BST
It should be:

Withdrawl+Deposit = balance + net P&L.

And net P&L = Gross P&L + commission paid.

(Note that in this form of the equations Withdrawl and comm paid would be expressed as a negative value).
Report bob_terwilliger • April 16, 2012 11:16 PM BST
no casino, games or poker at all

net P&L = Gross P&L + commission paid.

that works but the commision is about 30% of net P&L, which seems alot Confused

also what is "balance" Confused
Report ror • April 16, 2012 11:42 PM BST
30% is about right. Betfair claims the average is around 20% which is why premium charge is set at that level.

Balance is your current account balance. It's how much money you've still got on the site.

Available balance + current liability = Account Balance.

For example I've got about £20 balance, but most of that is tied up laying Man U for the title @ 4, so I won't be seeing a penny of it back!
Report feix • April 16, 2012 11:49 PM BST
Balance is how much money you have in your account?

About commission.

Let's say you've only done 2 bets at even odds. First is for €10 and you won, second is for €9 and you lost.

Bet 1. €10 gross - 5% commission = 9.50 net profit
Bet 2. €9 loss.

In this case your net P&L is 50 cents and your paid commission is also 50 cents.

So 30% is not that bad lol

Also, the difference between deposits-withdrawals and net P&L should be your balance then.
Report bob_terwilliger • April 17, 2012 12:49 AM BST
just to note i've never paid PC so 30% still about right?
Report bob_terwilliger • April 17, 2012 12:50 AM BST
tied up laying Man U for the title @ 4

Cry
Report ror • April 17, 2012 1:48 AM BST
Yes bob, the PC basically rounds people who've paid less than 20% up to the 20%.

The people who pay very little commission are those who always take green positions in markets, so their commission is much closer to 5%.

These are the industrialists that PC is targetted against. You can see that "punters" rarely if ever pay PC, even the relatively successful ones.
Report avi315 • April 17, 2012 7:09 AM BST

Apr 17, 2012 -- 1:48AM, ror wrote:


Yes bob, the PC basically rounds people who've paid less than 20% up to the 20%.The people who pay very little commission are those who always take green positions in markets, so their commission is much closer to 5%.These are the industrialists that PC is targetted against. You can see that "punters" rarely if ever pay PC, even the relatively successful ones.


All true. I'm just under 18% and mine remaining allowance is getting thin Cry

Report avi315 • April 17, 2012 7:24 AM BST
To be sure of calculations I just checked

20%*Gross PL - Total charges = Max possible Premium Charge

And then

Available allowance - Max possible Premium Charge = Remaining allowance
Report greybeard1950 • April 17, 2012 8:37 AM BST
net P&L = Gross P&L + commission paid.????

net P&L = Gross P&L minus commission paid surely?
Report JLivermore • April 17, 2012 9:06 AM BST
"(Note that in this form of the equations Withdrawl and comm paid would be expressed as a negative value)."
Report Lex • April 18, 2012 11:28 AM BST
ror - most people pay 20% commission?

that means if you chase your losses then you'll never pay the pc !

now there's a thought for all them martian gayle nutters Laugh
a guaranteed winning system where you dont pay pc !
Bill Gates chasing a dollar - it works!
Report catfleppo • April 18, 2012 12:42 PM BST
Most people pay much more than 20%.
Report twomatchpoints • April 18, 2012 1:34 PM BST
not read the thread, but if it hasn't been said already, Tote bets do not appear in your profit + loss figure.
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