May be the end of World and betting

The ISRAEL nutters ( zeolots) ....are allowed to stay in power ...due to lack of forceful intervention by other nations.

USA won't do feck all to resolve position......due to the financial and political strength of Hebrews in USA.


The NUTTERS in IRAN took control by force ......and democracy does not exist their. Keep the people ignorant is how they stay in power .

There is bound to be a major WAR soon.....unless UN takes a grip of BOTH sides by the neck and shakes some sense into em!

Gambling with LIVES is cheap to these religious nutters.......

Stop drugs/alcohol man, it's killing you. good luck

Gambling is doomeddddddddddddddddddddddd

Wish I was drinking and taking drugs.........but stone cold sober.....and can only see DOOM and GLOOM drifting towards us in BRITAIN due to ISRAEL's constant warmongering activities.....

Ita hard to say which side will win as they both sport some seriously fancy beards

They are too lazy to shave....but not to go to war!

Major ECONOMIC catastrophe looming re EURO position....and major war position looming re IRAN ...and on QUESTION TIME they are blethering about EDUCATION!

Perhaps they should put down there weapons and soleve it with some rapping, bling and car contest or break dancing, its worked in the suburbs of states

Worth a try

mind you theres a big diffrence between a mingun pointing out of a car and a ten megaton warhead looming overhead!

I need a drink.....as we drift towards the end of betting

Cheers the nooooooooooooooooooooooo....

Make the most of the time we have left......and GL with your last bets

Its this 2012 Inca doomsday bogey thats causing all this global insecurity IMO.

thank you DFCIRONMAN

i wont sleep tonight now 

The human race has pulled through alot in the thousands of years so far and it will keep plugging on for many an eon in the future.

sleep well!

its the gambling i will miss, not life

Life is gambling, from conception to death.

DFC : BRITAIN has nuclear power...USA ......FRANCE...CHINA ....etc etc

IRAN are NOT being allowed to have it........

What freaking right do the hypocrites have for ATTACKING IRAN FUNDS etc when they have nuclear power......

OK........If USA......BRITAIN.....etc etc all agree to disband nuclear power......then IRAN might agree too....................WON'T HAPPEN THOUGH.

Who in their right mind would allow an unstable potential enemy to become as powerful as themselves? It may be hypocritical, against human rights and illegal to prevent Iran from developing nuclear power, but sometimes being selfish is the right thing to do for the greater good.

I would not sleep easy knowing we had leaders who thought it was right to let Iran develop nukes simply because it was their right to do so.

So it's ok to commit criminal acts against IRAN.....and that is for the "good" of who?


ANSWER ...ISRAEL and all OIL resource countries.........

Sorry Trev..........They say they are NOT developing NWs.........

ISRAEL has them....and it is an UNSTABLE country that is paranoid re their neighbouring countries !

USA should recognise that the only way forward in MIDDLE EAST is to get ISRAEL to make a "reasonable" agreement with Palestinians........

The way forward is NOT to allow ISRAEL to once again invade another country and kill people........................just because they believe they are GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE . How evil are they?

They believe they can get away with any atrocity........and they usually do.

Not only are you on the wrong forum, you're on the wrong website. I can think of a few you'd be welcome on

Nice to know this forum is full of anti-semites like you Dcironman. Throughout the course of history Israel have never been the aggressor. If they have to take action against Iran it is because Iran have stated that they want to see the state of Israel wiped off the face of the earth. Are you one of those that agree with that opinion? If so you are a very sick individual.

"Aggressor".....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

LEBANON......

PALESTINE......

TURKISH SHIP attacked ...killing people bringing food/medicine to GAZZA etc etc etc

Israel won't BUDGE re sharing LAND in equitable fashion.......they grabbed land of PALESTININES and built property thereon...moved their people into said property and won't BUDGE!

What you call "aggression" seems to be a very blinkered view re ISRAEL action.

The statement you refer to.....can you produce it....THE FULL STATEMENT.....It was over 10 years ago........

Why should IRAN not have NUCLEAR power when USA/BRITAIN/FRANCE/CHINA/RUSSIA etc etc can?

So once again ISRAEL is talking about taking ACTION ...military action...against IRAN....that is making first move into another country.......

They keep doing same thing all the time.......making aggressive action....killing people.


It is their actions that I criticise ...and their intransegeance on reaching a "reasonable" settlement with PALESTINIANS.

Anyone got prices on this yet?

Does Gazza need aid?  I thought he always carried a big bag of chicken with him.

5/1 on Israel being wiped off the map and not a tear being shed!

Why would any sane leader "wipe" ISRAEL off map......the repurcussions would be catostrophic for their country.....


ISRAEL can mitigate the chances of such mad action.......by reaching REASONABLE SETTLEMENT ASAP with PALESTINIANS....

IRAN getting scientists murdered AGAIN.....................

Is this ISRAEL yet again?.......More than likely ...as they do what they want!

The CHOSEN PEOLPE "murder" people.....................and get away with it!


WHY?

PEOPLE even...if you can call such murderers "people"!

Dec 1, 2011 -- 4:59PM, bf_fananatic wrote:

Give it 50-75 years when the oil has gone and power cells have been developed plus alternative energy sources and the middle east will no longer be in the headlines all the time.

We are much closer to this than you think. A lot will change in the next 5 years and the world by late 2020s will have changed dramatically. We will soon be looking back at these times as the age of the idiots when people overloaded on technology materialism but didn't understand the basics of the cell they lived. Some fantastic inventions at the latest gadget buyers open.

I support the good Middle East and my missus is an Israel supporter. She's been getting plenty of stick from me over this one. Hoping Ahmadinejad gets his warheads and blows the Raelis of the face of the earth...if only to shut her up!

We've hardly scratched the surface of the planet's oil reserves, nothing will change in a big way for a very long time to come, until one day we master nuclear fusion. Forget so called renewable energy, a hopelessly inefficient waste of time money. The main thing that will be remembered from these times is how a few crackpots created man made global warming theory - the biggest scam ever to be perpetrated on mankind. History will not judge them kindly.

This "story" line re 5 scientists being "murdered" should be the prominent news and ....as usual.......it is being ignored by the Western governments as being something they don't want to be "involved" in......

IRAN - ISRAEL position needs URGENT addressing, otherwise the 2012 "end of world" scenario could happen !

USA and Britain plus France and Germany should be bringing ISRAEL to heel over their actions ....if true. Leaving this continued aggression against IRAN can only lead to one outcome........a war .

IRAN must be viewing the total abrogation of Western governments leadership on such murders as being yet another insult to "justice" for them re ISRAEL behaviour.

Situation re ISRAEL and IRAN and PALESTINIANS needs to be dealt with ......and only resolution/pressure that will make ISRAEL "behave" and address PALESTINIAN position is freezing their bank accounts etc.....

IRAN has had to put up with such treatment....so why not ISRAEL?

I don't want anyone to attack ISRAEL.........other than attack their assets......likely only action that will get this intransigennt nation to act in a fair and civilised manner.

Israel is a murderous, terrorist state which is a far bigger threat to world peace both now and in the future than Iran, who has attacked nobody and only indulges in sabre rattling.

Why is it allowed to act with impunity, committing terrorist acts, murder, war crimes, ethic cleansing etc both at home and abroad, and the west just shrugs it shoulders

Many similarities with Nazi Germany under Hitler tbh.

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Israel is a murderous, terrorist state which is a far bigger threat to world peace both now and in the future than Iran,

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stopped reading there as you obviously know nothing.

Israel's Supreme Court has upheld a law banning Palestinians who marry Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship.

Civil rights groups had petitioned the court to overturn the law, saying it was unconstitutional.

"Human rights do not prescribe national suicide," Judge Asher Grunis wrote in the judgement.

The law was introduced in 2003, with its backers citing security concerns and the need to ensure Israel remains a Jewish-majority state.

Human rights activists and Arab politicians condemned the court's decision.

The court "had failed the test of justice", said Arab-Israeli MP Jamal Zahalka of the Balad party.

"It is a dark day for the protection of human rights and for the Israeli High Court," lawyers from the Association for Civil Rights in Israel told AFP.

"The ruling proves how much the situation regarding the civil rights of the Arab minority in Israel is declining into a highly dangerous and unprecedented situation", Arab-Israeli civil rights group Adalah, one of those that brought the petition, said in a statement.

The Citizenship and Entry Law was passed in 2003, during the second Palestinian intifada (uprising), as waves of suicide bombings targeted Israel.

Many were launched from the West Bank, some with the help of Israeli Arabs.

Initially, the law was emergency legislation which has since been extended periodically.

It was amended in 2005, allowing women over 25 and men over 35 to apply for temporary permits to live in Israel, but still ruling out citizenship for all but a handful of cases.

In 2007, it was expanded to apply to citizens of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.
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Latest evidence of attitude of ISRAEL to PALESTINIANS.

Really Viva?

So, pray tell me which countries Iran has invaded or attacked, which homes have they bulldozed, and whom have they murdered in other countries, such as the one carried out with the forged British passports? And when did they attack a ship carrying aid to people who desperately needed it?

I'm eager to hear the details, do tell more

Otherwise I'll have to assume you have been brainwashed by the pro Israel media.

The attacks on scientists may be the work of a foreign intelligence agency such as Israel’s Mossad, according to a U.S. official who agreed to speak on condition of anonymity because intelligence matters are classified.

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Well that would be a "suurprise" wouldn't it!

You know the whole 'ship carrying aid' thing was a scam, don't you?  The various drugs and provisions (the 'aid') on that ship were almost all out of date and toxic. The kitchens, on the other hand, were very well stocked with large sets of newly sharpened knives, and the people on board the ship well trained in the use of them.   

The ship could have stopped and let the Israelis simply check it. They didn't need to keep steaming in, knowing the Israelis would take them by force.

The Egyptians, by the way, are every bit as keen on stopping and searching ships carrying 'aid' to the Palestinians, for very good reason.  That part never gets reported though...  (And strangely, the aid ships aren't as keen to test the resolve of the Egyptians. Fancy that!)

Explosion, Stuxnet

Other incidents in Iran in recent months have raised suspicions of sabotage against the country’s nuclear program.

A November explosion at a military base west of Tehran killed at least 17 people including a director in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, state media reported at the time. Last year, malicious software known as Stuxnet affected computer systems controlling several centrifuges used in Iran’s uranium- enrichment program, Iranian officials have said.

The latest killing also follows an Iranian court’s Jan. 9 decision to sentence an American of Iranian descent, Amir Mirzaei Hekmati, to death for spying. U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland has said allegations that Hekmati worked for the CIA were “simply untrue.”
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and so the cycle of insanity continues...................

Well it is certainly a cycle of insanity. I agree with you there. But it's very hard not to join in with the insanity and be heavy-handed when you're surrounded by countries almost all of whom are very open about the fact that your destruction is their first, second and third priority.

If everyone just left Israel alone and let them have one Jewish country in the world, it would be a lot easier for all of us. (And particularly the other countries in the Middle East!)

Cooee - what is the source of this alleged "scam"?

Will you put whole article up here for us to judge how accurate this allegation is?

Cooee- So PALESTINIANS have no "right" to a share in land then ....if we all leave poor ISRAEL alone?

I'm afraid I don't have a single web page that I can divert you to. It was over a year ago now, and I can't say I went around collecting URLs thinking 'this'll be important when I come to debate it with DFC over a year from now'. I did read quite plenty of articles about it at the time, and I got my facts from several sources - not just Israeli or Pro-Israeli ones.

ISRAEL has been left alone to get on with its numerous land grabbing acts and invading surrounding countries ............

The world cannot afford to leave such "EYE FOR EYE" eeejjjjiiiittttssssss alone to continue their intransigent attitude re PALESTINIANS.......or leave them alone to continue their "crusade" of setting up a war v IRAN.........

All the signs are that soon IRAN will react to the constant terrorist activity in IRAN...................and then the predictions re 2012 may become a reality..........

Land grabs? Leaving aside the original 'granting of land' to the Israelis (which I appreciate is a bit of a tricky one, even though the Israelis had themselves been driven out of that land by force centuries earlier), their subsequent land grabs have almost all come as the result of war - and most of these wars were started when various other countries in the Middle East joined forces to try and obliterate Israel.

ISRAEL has been left "alone" long enough.......time for WORLD ACTION to knock some sense into em.......first move is to freeze their MONEY worldwide.....

They have *never* been left alone. Every day Ahmadinejad or some other leader in the area makes a comment about Israel.  It's very nice and fluffy for you out there in pretty Scotland, but the Israelis live every day knowing their neighbours detest them and want them dead. The Israelis are certainly questionable in some of their actions, but they're under a huge amount of pressure every day, and a lot of what comes out of the Middle East can't be taken at face value.

If IRELAND can arrive at a civilised agreement between feuding factions......then ISRAEL must be sensible and arrive at a decent agreement with PALESTINIANS.......otherwise there can only be an "end game" where nobody will know what the outcome will be.....and every likelyhood that the 2012 prediction transpires................

DFC, if you think that the situation with Israel would really be resolved if they strike a deal with the Palestinians, I'm afraid you're sadly mistaken. The 'Israel' situation isn't about Palestinians. It never has been.

It is understanable that their neighbours.....and people kicked off their land ........"hate" the ISRAEL attitude to retaining land they grabbed ....

They reap what they have sowed !

OK Cooee ..........what is the solution or catalyst to a solution to the PALESTINE / ISRAEL "problem"?

As long as the SENATE and HOUSE OF REPS in USA are dominated by those with relatives in ISRAEL .....and also the financial instituations in USA have huge influence on what ISRAEL can "get away with".....then it will be no surprise when someone does attack ISRAEL who have not budged for decades on the PALESTINE problem......

Land that was mostly neglected and poorly developed before the Israelis took it over. Within five years of the Israelis setting foot, only Egypt was seeing a larger influx of non-Jewish people from within the Middle East. That's because Muslims/Arabs knew the Israelis were laying down the groundwork for something that was relatively prosperous. The land was poorly tended before. Since then it's been properly developed and cultivated - despite having to contend with the hostility of their neighbours.  I'm not saying that's right, but then a decent chunk of the Muslim explosion across the Middle East wasn't exactly entered into voluntarily...

Israel wants a country populated by Jewish people (not Palestinians). I don't see why they shouldn't have the right to one country in the world where that's the case? If the rest of the Middle East left them to it, they wouldn't have any problems with Israel.

Well that just will not happen Cooee........................

If you have the FINANCE then you can develop land.......ISRAEL have that....PALESTINIANS are not as well off as their invaders are.

OK .....pick a COMMITTEE out of following.....and check composition of members................

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Cooee 13 Jan 12 01:15 
Land that was mostly neglected and poorly developed before the Israelis took it over. Within five years of the Israelis setting foot, only Egypt was seeing a larger influx of non-Jewish people from within the Middle East. That's because Muslims/Arabs knew the Israelis were laying down the groundwork for something that was relatively prosperous. The land was poorly tended before. Since then it's been properly developed and cultivated - despite having to contend with the hostility of their neighbours.  I'm not saying that's right, but then a decent chunk of the Muslim explosion across the Middle East wasn't exactly entered into voluntarily...

Israel wants a country populated by Jewish people (not Palestinians). I don't see why they shouldn't have the right to one country in the world where that's the case? If the rest of the Middle East left them to it, they wouldn't have any problems with Israel.
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YUP - Hitler wanted a purely ARIAN race in GERMANY too........and of course such attitude is not racist ........is it

OK ...let's start with FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTRY................


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By 'that won't happen', I take it you mean everybody else leaving Israel alone?  No, I appreciate that won't happen, even though, if everybody was mature and realistic, it would happen.

Everyone in the Middle East would say 'we don't like the Jews, but they are human and they are here to stay. It's not in our interests to keep fighting them, so we should now try and be civil to them, perhaps even do a little trade with them, and maybe we can all prosper and live in peace.'    Now that's what *should* happen. But, us being humans and being rather flawed, it won't. So, they'll carry on with this stupid tit for tat that benefits nobody.  This is a Jews vs Non-Jews situation. Unless the Jews and Non-Jews try and get along with one another, the tension will continue, regardless of whether Israel strikes a deal with Palestine or not.

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Chairman Ros-Lehtinen speaks in favor of two bills she authored to expand and strengthen U.S. sanctions on the Iranian regime. The Iran Threat Reduction Act (H.R. 1905) closes loopholes in existing sanctions against Iran's energy and financial sectors, sanctions Iranian regime officials, and expands sanctions against those who help rogue regimes expand their dangerous weapons programs. The Iran, North Korea, and Syria Nonproliferation Modernization and Reform Act (H.R. 2105) seeks to cut-off the supply networks to Iran, Syria, and North Korea.
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Well there is a surprise on who proposes such a BILL..............

http://foreignaffairs.house.gov/


Click on the VIDEO ...and see who were ones behind this BILL.......they were not IRISH

This is how ACTIVE ISRAEL supporters in USA politics operate.............

And your point is???

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Ros-Lehtinen: Congress Must Keep Leveraging U.S. Funding to Stop Palestinian Statehood Scheme at UN

(WASHINGTON) – U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said today that the U.S. must preserve and strengthen existing U.S. law requiring a cutoff of U.S. funding to any UN agency that grants membership to “Palestine.” The U.S. ceased financial contributions to the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) on October 31, 2011 after that body admitted “Palestine” as a member. According to reports, Palestinian leaders plan to continue seeking membership or other upgraded status at other UN bodies. Statement by Ros-Lehtinen:

“As the Palestinian leadership continues their destructive statehood scheme at the UN, the U.S. must act decisively to stop this ruse. Other than our Security Council veto, the only roadblock in Ramallah’s way is that by law, the U.S. must cut off funding to any UN body that grants membership to ‘Palestine.’

“The Administration wants Congress to gut U.S. law and let the Administration fund UN bodies that support the Palestinian statehood scheme. But the Administration’s diplomatic efforts have failed to seriously impede the scheme; in contrast, leveraging our funding to the UN has succeeded, as others see that we mean business and that they can’t take reckless, anti-Israel actions with impunity. If we abandon this strategy now, we would telegraph an ‘all clear’ for UN bodies to grant de facto recognition of a Palestinian state.

“We must further strengthen U.S. law to cut off funding to any UN body that not only grants membership to ‘Palestine,’ but even grants some other upgraded status to Ramallah. That is how to stop this dangerous Palestinian scheme in its tracks. Any maneuvers to undercut current law will serve to pave the way forward for the Palestinians.”

NOTE: Ros-Lehtinen is the author of the United Nations Transparency, Accountability, and Reform Act (H.R. 2829), which seeks to change the way in which the UN is funded in order to give member-states control over what their contributions pay for at the UN, as well as leverage to press for real UN reform. The bill contains a provision that reinforces and strengthens current U.S. law by cutting off U.S. funding to any UN entity which grants membership or any other upgraded status to the Palestinian mission.

AS long as USA adopts this anti- PALESTINIAN approach.......and turning a blind eye to ISRAEL activities re IRAN and surrounding countries.........then the danger of a major war in MIDDLE EAST contines to be very very likely....


Such biased support for action against IRAN......by USA only discredits USA and is damaging to curtailing the possibility of WAR in MIDDLE EAST.

I suspect the war-mongers in USA ae rubbing their bloody hands again.......as we move closer and closer to "the end of world scenario"...............

A lot of Americans are sympathetic towards the Israeli cause. Many of those sympathetic are, surprise surprise, Jewish. I don't see why you think this is such a big scandal? Most of the countries in the Middle East are openly hostile and would, if they could, try and change any law or regulation and influence any committee that would help them in their 'fight' against Jewish Israel. Why is it so awful that the US gives similar support to their enemy?

She married Florida State Representative Dexter Lehtinen, on June 9, 1984, while she was serving in the Florida Legislature. They have two children, Rodrigo Lehtinen (born Amanda Michelle) and Patricia Marie. She is also the step-mother to Katherine and Douglas Lehtinen.

Project Vote Smart lists Ros-Lehtinen as Episcopalian.[2] Ros-Lehtinen's maternal grandparents were Sephardic Jews from Turkey who had been active in Cuba's Jewish community.[43] Her mother later converted to Catholicism.[43]

Cooee 13 Jan 12 01:49 
A lot of Americans are sympathetic towards the Israeli cause. Many of those sympathetic are, surprise surprise, Jewish. I don't see why you think this is such a big scandal? Most of the countries in the Middle East are openly hostile and would, if they could, try and change any law or regulation and influence any committee that would help them in their 'fight' against Jewish Israel. Why is it so awful that the US gives similar support to their enemy?
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So do you consider this desire to have ONLY a Jewish ISRAEL to be non-racist?

Not exactly very practical when JERUSALEM is so important to many faiths......

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Representative Howard Berman has served the 28th District of California since 1982. He is well known for his bipartisan efforts, working with Republicans on issues such as a bill authorizing embargoes on nations that support terrorism and amendments to the False Claims Act. Berman is a leading advocate of copyright interests and intellectual property in the House. He is also a strong supporter of Israel and is the chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs. Berman also serves as the vice chair of the Judiciary Committee. Berman resides in Los Angeles with his wife, Janis Gail Berman. They have two daughters, Brinley and Lindsey.

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Sherman has been a strong supporter and advocate of the U.S-Israel relationship, consistently backing US aid to Israel. [25]

In 2004, Brad Sherman first [26] introduced the U.S.-Israel Energy Cooperation Act. The Act was passed into law as Section 917 of the Energy Independent and Security Act of 2007.[27] The U.S.-Israel Energy Cooperation Act now funds joint U.S. and Israeli research programs in the areas of alternative energy sources and energy efficiency. It provides grant money to joint ventures between American and Israeli academics and private sector companies that conduct research and develop energy-efficient and alternative energy technologies.

USA appears not be aware that there are serious "CONFLICT OF INTEREST" on their FOREIGN AFFAIRS committee with regards to how they conduct their FOREIGN AFFAIRS policies......

How can you get any unbiased policies from such a committee with regards to ISRAEL?

And if the Muslims had possession of Jerusalem, they'd be accommodating towards the Christians and Jews, would they? (About as accommodating as they are across much of the Middle East, presumably..)  Jerusalem is only important to the Muslims in as much as it corresponds to the Mi'raj, which involved Mohammed going on a dream journey to Jerusalem and supping with Christian figures like Jesus, and with key Jewish figures like Abraham and Moses. They have plenty of other holy places which ought to be more important to them (even they only rank Jerusalem as their third holiest place of all), so why should they get to keep the one that has real significance to both Jews and Christians? They don't have a right to everything that's holy simply because it's 'part' of the Muslim faith.

Since the Christians and Jews have a special claim to the significance of Jerusalem, why shouldn't we have some say over that one bit? I say if the Christians are happy for the Jews to have that one place, and to have one single part of the world where Jews can practise as Jews without having to feel apologetic towards the indigenous population, why shouldn't they have Jerusalem?  Maybe that is racist, but the Middle East is a very racist place. Or didn't you know that? Don't tell me that the hatred of the Jews there isn't racist...

Saladin was a great Muslim leader. His real name was Salah al-Din Yusuf. He united and lead the Muslim world and in 1187, he recaptured Jerusalem for the Muslims after defeating the King of Jerusalem at the Battle of Hattin near the Lake of Galilee. When his soldiers entered the city of Jerusalem, they were not allowed to kill civilians, rob people or damage the city. The more successful Saladin was, the more he was seen by the Muslims as being their natural leader.

Saladin - painted a number of years after his death

The Christians of western Europe were stunned by the success of Saladin. The pope, Gregory VIII, ordered another crusade immediately to regain the Holy City for the Christians. This was the start of the Third Crusade. It was led by Richard I (Richard the Lionheart), Emperor Frederick Barbarossa of Germany and King Philip II of France. These were possibly the three most important men in western Europe - such was the importance of this crusade. It was to last from 1189 to 1192.

Frederick was drowned on his march across Europe. He was 70 years of age and his death shocked his army and only a small part of it continued to the Middle East.

Richard, Philip and their men travelled by boat. They stopped their journey in modern day Sicily. In March 1191, Philip then sailed to the port of Acre which was controlled by the Muslims. This was an important port to capture for the Christians as it would allow them to easily land their ships and it was also the nearest big port to Jerusalem. Acre was besieged. Philip's men were joined by Richard's.

He had captured Cyprus first before moving on to Acre. The port could not cope against such a force and in July 1191, it fell to the Christians. However, the siege had had its impact on Philip - he was exhausted and left for France. Richard was left by himself. While in control of Acre, the Christians massacred 2000 Muslim soldiers who they had captured. Saladin had agreed to pay a ransom for them but somehow there was a breakdown in the  process of payment and Richard ordered their execution.

Richard was determined to get to Jerusalem and he was prepared to take on Saladin. The march south to Jerusalem was very difficult. The Crusaders kept as near to the coast as possible to allow ships to supply them. It was also slightly cooler with a coastal breeze. Regardless of this, the Christians suffered badly from the heat and lack of fresh water. At night when the Crusaders tried to rest, they were plagued by tarantulas. Their bites were poisonous and very painful.

Both sides fought at the Battle of Arsur in September 1191. Richard won but he delayed his attack on Jerusalem as he knew that his army needed to rest. He spent the winter of 1191 to 1192 in Jaffa where his army regained its strength. Richard marched on Jerusalem in June 1192. 

However, by now even Richard the Lionheart was suffering. He had a fever and appealed to his enemy Saladin to send him fresh water and fresh fruit. Saladin did just this - sending frozen snow to the Crusaders to be used as water and fresh fruit. Why would Saladin do this?

There are two reasons. First, Saladin was a strict Muslim. One of the main beliefs of Islam  is that Muslims should help those in need. Secondly, Saladin could send his men into Richard's camp with the supplies and spy on what he had in terms of soldiers, equipment etc.

What they found was that Richard only had 2,000 fit soldiers and 50 fit knights to use in battle. With such a small force, Richard could not hope to take Jerusalem even though he got near enough to see the Holy City. Richard organised a truce with Saladin - pilgrims from the west would once again be allowed to visit Jerusalem without being troubled by the Muslims. Neither Richard or Saladin particularly liked the truce but both sides were worn out and in October 1192, Richard sailed for western Europe never to return to the Holy Land.

However, for Richard the adventure was not over. On his journey back to England, his ship got wrecked in a storm. He found that he had to travel through Austria. This country was owned by a sworn enemy of Richard - Duke Leopold of Austria. Leopold had originally been a leading member of the Third Crusade but he had been ridiculed by Richard who did nothing to stop his men making fun out of Leopold. They called him "the sponge" because he drank so much and was drunk too often! Leopold had lost a lot of prestige and now he had a chance to avenge himself. Richard was betrayed to Leopold who held him captive for two years until a ransom was paid for him. Richard arrived home in 1194.

Richard was known as the "Lionheart" by his people. Even the Muslims praised him. The Muslim writer Baha wrote about Richard while the Third Crusade was going on:

    "......a very powerful man of great courage........a king of wisdom, courage and energy.....brave and clever."
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If you recognise that ISRAEL is wanting a racist set up...............then surely such a set up is a "crazy" target....

RELIGION makes men do some "crazy" things and their are many "crazy" people who hide under the umbrella of their religion  ............believing they have a right to kill people who hold different beliefs to them.

ISRAEL is paranoid in their manic behaviour re IRAN..........as are the zealots in their dream of monotheism......................

Monotheism is characteristic of numerous religions, including the Baha'i Faith, Christianity, Druzism, Hinduism,[2] Islam, Judaism, Samaritanism, Sikhism and Zoroastrianism............................and obviously they are all "crazy" !

Anyway .....GL with your bets......hope you get paid out BEFORE the end of world Cooee

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Saladin was actually a good man. Indeed, there were quite a few good men earlier in Islam's history. However, for several hundred years the place has been a mess. And for much of the 20th century it's been a cess pit of racist hatred and violence. While the Muslims there persist on making everything revolve around their religion, there won't be peace, sadly. And that won't be good for any Muslims.

But GL with your bets tomorrow DFC.  I'm about to get paid out on my last bet of the night, so I think I should just about make it before the end of everything.. 

Can I get back to my betting now?
I thought bf put up the politics forum so people could all talk sh!t in there.

Oh, and given a choice of the current Israel, and no Israel whatsover, I'd certainly prefer the latter. Obviously the ideal one would be one which didnt murder people, didn't bulldoze houses of the settlers, didnt commit war crimes and attrociites, complied with UN resolutions and international law etc etc etc, but as there currently seems to be almost zero chance of that happening for the forseesable future, that doesn't seem to be an option, does it?

PS, just for clarification, my father was Jewish, and he was every bit as disgusted by their actions as any right thinking person would be.

Oh, and thanks to the tvvats who a) complained about and b) deleted my last post, despite the fact that it broke no rules whatsoever. The truth hurts, doesnt it?

Just for the record, I didn't complain about your post. If you want to spout utter drivel, that's your right!

Sorry to appear a little stupid but could someone give me a definition of the word facist as in facist state. . .

Fascism (play /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics.[3][4] It seeks to purify the nation of foreign influences that are causing degeneration of the nation or that do not fit into the national culture.[5] It is opposed to many ideologies, including conservatism, liberalism, and two major forms of socialism: communism and social democracy.[6] It opposes a variety of economic, political and social systems, it is opposed to democracy, parliamentary systems, in most cases has an inherently anti-clerical background with some exceptions, and holds a distinctive opposition to capitalism.[7] The fascist state is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the fascist movement, the government and other state institutions.[8] Fascism's basis of legitimacy of this state is its conception of the nation and its well-being in qualitative values and belief that a nation must be led by qualitatively-able leaders while rejecting democracies for being based on quantitative evaluation of individuals and their opinions rather than qualities.[9] It supports action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will and rejects universal egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism.[10] To achieve its goals, fascists purge forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[11] It claims to represent a synthesis of cohesive ideas previously divided between traditional political ideologies.[12]

Fascism promotes political violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[3][13] It views violence as a fact of life that is a necessary means to achieve human progress.[14] It exalts militarism as providing positive transformation in society and providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character and creating national comradeship through military service.[15] Fascists commonly utilize paramilitary organizations for violent attacks on opponents or to overthrow a political system.[16]

Fascism supports a socially united, collective national society and opposes socially divided class-based societies (including liberal bourgeois and Marxian proletarian class-based societies) and socially-divided individualist-based society.[17] Fascists claim it is a trans-class movement, advocating resolution to domestic class conflict within a nation to secure national solidarity.[18] While fascism opposes domestic class conflict, it favours a proletarian national culture and claims that its goal of nationalizing society levels social classes and emancipates the nation's proletariat, and promotes the assimilation of all classes into proletarian national culture.[19] It opposes contemporary bourgeois class-based society and culture for allegedly being based on selfish and hedonistic individualism that results in plutocracy and war profiteering at the expense of the nation.[20] Fascism claims that bourgeois-proletarian conflict primarily exists in national conflict between proletarian nations versus bourgeois nations; fascism declares support for the victory of proletarian nations.[21]

Fascists advocate: a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation or state; the use of state enterprise where private enterprise is failing or is inefficient; and autarky.[22] It supports criminalization of strikes by employees and lockouts by employers as illegal acts it deems these acts as prejudicial to the national community as a whole.[23]

Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but Italian Fascism gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[24][25] Mussolini in 1919 described fascism as a syncretic movement that would strike "against the backwardness of the right and the destructiveness of the left".[26][27] Italian Fascists described fascism as a right-wing ideology in the political program The Doctrine of Fascism: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century."[28][29] However they also officially declared that although they were "sitting on the right" they were generally indifferent to their position on the left-right spectrum, as being a conclusion of their combination of views rather than an objective, and considering it insignificant to their basis of their views that they claimed could just as easily be associated with "the mountain of the center" as with the right.[30] There is a running dispute among scholars about where along the left/right spectrum that fascism resides.[31][32][33][34]

I "spout drivel"

Hmm, let me see, is this coming from the same poster who was brainwashed about the contents of the aid ship, and ever more comically, seriously thought that the owners decided to have some knives on board to defend themselves in case Israel's commandos stormed the vessel with assault rifles, machine guns etc?

WHAT IS FASCISM?

BY LAURA DAWN LEWIS


This may surprise most educated people. One of the more common government strategies today, especially in developing regions is fascism. Fascism is commonly confused with Nazism.  Nazism is a political party platform that embraces a combination of a military dictatorship, socialism and fascism.  It is not a government structure. Fascism is a government structure. The most notable characteristic of a fascist country is the separation and persecution or denial of equality to a specific segment of the population based upon superficial qualities or belief systems.

Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin.  It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.

Until the Civil Rights act of 1964, many parts of the US were Republic for whites and could be considered fascist for non-Caucasian residents. Fascism promotes legal segregation in housing, national resource allocation and employment. It provides legal justification for persecuting a specific segment of the population and operates behind a two tiered legal system.  These two tiers can be overt as it was within Nazi Germany where Jews, Homosexuals, Catholics, Communists, Clergy and the handicap were held to one set of rules and courts, while the rest of Germany enjoyed different laws.

Or it can be implied and held up by consensual conspiracy, (people know it is wrong but do nothing to stop it or change it.  Through lack of action, they give consent), as it was in the deep South for African Americans and others of color. In Fascism, one segment of society is always considered less desirable, sub-human or second class.

(Note: no single government is pure anything.  Most have elements of several structures with one dominant structure).  Below is the political definition and general characteristics of a fascist country.

GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS OF A FASCIST COUNTRY:

1. Fascism is commonly defined as an open terror-based dictatorship which is:

Reactionary: makes policy based upon current circumstances rather than creating policies to prevent problems; piles lies and misnomers on top of more lies until the truth becomes indistinguishable, revised or forgotten.
Chauvinistic: Two or more tiered legal systems, varying rights based upon superficial characteristics such as race, creed and origin.
Imperialist elements of finance capital: Extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies.
Though a dictatorship is the most common association with fascism, a democracy or republic can also be fascist when it strays away from its Tenets of sovereignty.  In the 20th Century, many Fascist countries started out as republics.  Through the use of fear, societies gave up their rights under the guise of security.  Ultimately these republics morphed into Fascist states.

2. Fascism is an extreme measure taken by the middle classes to forestall lower-working class revolution; it thrives on the weakness of the middle classes. It accomplishes this by embracing the middle-class' love of the status-quo, its complacency and its fears of:

Generating a united struggle within the working class

Revolution

Losing its own power and position within society

In a more simplistic term the people currently in control fear that if they allow equal rights and equal consideration to those being oppressed, they will become  oppressed and lose everything.

Generally those in power are of a smaller segment of society, but they hold the wealth and control of key systems like manufacturing, law, finance and government position, (e.g. the slave owners in the south prior to the civil war) and the oppressed vastly outnumber them, (the slaves during the same period)

In reality it is the oppressors' fear of retribution by the oppressed that perpetuates fascism;  for justification they dehumanize, demonize, strip them of rights, add new laws, restrict movement and attempt to control them by whatever means possible to prevent an uprising.


  It is very common in a fascist system to have the oppressed referred to as sub-human, animals, terrorists, savages, barbarians, vermin or any other term designed to create justification for the acts of terror and fascism perpetrated on the oppressed. Via dehumanization society can then accept that the oppressed are incapable of thinking or acting in a peaceful manner or taking care of themselves, and thus society is exonerated from culpability in their own minds.  Propaganda, not persuasion, logic or law, is the tool of fascism, though at times very difficult to spot.  It specifically rides the fact that negative behavior is innate, (born with) rather than a logical behavior in response to oppression. Propaganda also empowers the oppressors with elitism racially, socially, intellectually and/or spiritually.

THE 7 CONDITIONS (WARNING SIGNS)THAT FOSTER & FUEL FASCISM ARE:

INSTABILITY of capitalist relationships or markets

The existence of considerable DECLASSED SOCIAL ELEMENTS

The STRIPPING OF RIGHTS AND WEALTH focused upon a specific segment of the population, specifically the middle class and intellectuals within urban areas as this the group with the means, intelligence and ability to stop fascism if given the opportunity.

DISCONTENT among the rural lower middle class (clerks, secretaries, white collar labor). Consistent discontent among the general middle and lower middle classes against the oppressing upper-classes (haves vs have-nots).

HATE: Pronounced, perpetuated and accepted public disdain of a specific group defined by race, origin, theology or association.

GREED: The motivator of fascism, which is generally associated with land, space or scarce resources in the possession of those being oppressed.


ORGANIZED PROPAGANDA:

a) The creation of social mythology that venerates (creates saints of) one element of society while concurrently vilifying (dehumanizing) another element of the population through misinformation, misdirection and the obscuring of factual matter through removal, destruction or social humiliation, (name-calling, false accusations, belittling and threats).

b) The squelching of public debate not agreeing with the popular agenda via slander, libel, threats, theft, destruction, historical revisionism and social humiliation.  Journalists in particular are terrorized if they attempt to publish stories contrary to the agenda.

3. Fascism DOVETAILS BUSINESS & GOVERNMENT sectors into a single economic unit, while concurrently increasing in-fighting and distrust between the units fostering advancement towards war.

4. a) Fascism PROMOTES CHAUVINIST DEMAGOGY, (appealing to the prejudices and emotions of the populace) by fostering selective persecution and accepted public vilification of the target group. It then promotes this a "patriotic", "supportive" or "the party line" and disagreement with such as "anti-government", "anti-faith" or "anti-nation".

b) Fascism CREATES CONFUSION through "facts". It relies on junk science, revisionism, the elimination of cultural records/treasures and obfuscations to create its case and gain acceptance. Fascism can also combine Marxist critiques of capitalism or faith based critics of the same to re-define middle class perceptions of democracy and  to force its issues, confuse logic and create majority consensus between targeted groups.  This is also referred to as creating a state of Cognitive Dissonance, the mental state human beings are most easily manipulated.

5. Both middle and upper-middle-class dictated democracy and fascism are class dictatorships that use ORGANIZED VIOLENCE (verbal or physical) to maintain the class rule of the oppressors over the oppressed.

The difference between the two is demonstrated by the policies towards non-lower-working class classes.  Fascism attains power through the substitution of one state's form of class domination with another form, generally a middle class based  republic segues into an open terrorist dictatorship, run by a few elite.

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THE 14 DEFINING CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM
by Dr. Lawrence Britt

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14-defining characteristics common to each:

1. POWERFUL AND CONTINUING NATIONALISM -
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. DISDAIN FOR
THE RECOGNITION OF HUMAN RIGHTS -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. IDENTIFICATION OF ENEMIES/SCAPEGOATS
AS A UNIFYING CAUSE -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. SUPREMACY OF THE MILITARY -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. RAMPANT SEXISM -
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid.  Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. CONTROLLED MASS MEDIA -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. OBSESSION WITH NATIONAL SECURITY -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT ARE INTERTWINED -
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. CORPORATE POWER IS PROTECTED -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. LABOR POWER IS SUPPRESSED -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. DISDAIN FOR INTELLECTUALS AND THE ARTS -
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. OBSESSION WITH CRIME AND PUNISHMENT -
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. RAMPANT CRONYISM AND CORRUPTION -
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. FRAUDULENT ELECTIONS -
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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COMMENTARY:
An interesting note to end this article:  As of January 2004, the United States fulfills all fourteen points of fascism and all seven warning signs are present. But we're not alone. Israel also fulfills all fourteen points and all seven warning signs as well.  Welcome to the new republic, redefined, revised and spun.  It is not too late to reverse this in either country, but it will be soon.  The first step is realizing it.  The second step is getting involved.  As the propaganda slogan disguising our current war goes, "Freedom isn't free." But our war for freedom isn't abroad; it's here at home.

READER FEEDBACK

Additional Reading....

1) THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FREE, By Milton Mayer

"They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-1945", University of Chicago Press. Reissued in paperback, April, 1981. As Harpers Magazine noted when the book was published in 1955 (U. of Chicago), Milton Mayer’s extraordinarily far-sighted book on the Germans is more timely today than ever.

2) This is not an endorsement of Socialism or Communism, which are fundamentally at odds with the US Constitution. However, reading some of the works on Fascism during the 1920's & 1930's in Europe by members of the Communist and Socialist parties will provide you with additional insights.  You may want to start with: FASCISM: WHAT IT IS AND HOW TO FIGHT IT by Leon Trotsky

3) HOW HITLER CAME TO POWER:

Whenever U.S. officials wish to demonize someone, they inevitably compare him to Adolf Hitler. The message immediately resonates with people because everyone knows that Hitler was a brutal dictator.  In the presidential election held on March 13, 1932, there were four candidates: the incumbent, Field Marshall Paul von Hindenburg, Hitler, and two minor candidates, Ernst Thaelmann and Theodore Duesterberg. The results were:

Hindenburg 49.6 percent
Hitler 30.1 percent
Thaelmann 13.2 percent
Duesterberg 6.8 percent
Read Jacob Hornberger's Full Article on The Future of Freedom Foundation

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Definitions

Proletariat (aka lower-working class (adj)):
1 the lowest class of citizens of ancient Rome who had no property
2: belonging to or characteristic of the proletariat (n) : a member of the working class (not necessarily employed); "workers of the world--unite!"

Bourgeois (aka middle classes (n)): the social class between the lower and upper classes: Middle Class

Imperialism  (n): The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political domination of one state over its allies and over other nations. 2: The system, policies, or practices of such a government.

Demagogy (n): Impassioned appeals to the prejudices and emotions of the populace

Obscurantism, Obfuscation (n):

The principles or practice of delivering vague truths and hiding key facts.
A policy of withholding information from the public.
The act of lying through selective omission
Tyranny (n):

A form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator and is not restricted by a constitution, laws or opposition etc.
Dominance over a populous through threat of punishment, terrorism, oppression and violence 
Autocracy (n):

Government by a single person having unlimited power; tyranny, dictator.
A country or state that is governed by a single person with unlimited power.

Can someone bring up the Cider Red thread again? This is getting depressing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=802LKSW_YdY

Make them read some science books so they can let go of their primitive supernatural beliefs.

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Cheers for that dfc, so it seems to me America are proping up a facist state for that reason alone our "special" relationship with the US should end we should start cosying up with Putin and guarentee the gas keeps flowing. . . .

Also if we ally ourselves with a mafia run state we may learn a thing or two, they know how to run a book and im sure they will have some advice on how to run a clean exchange. . . .

Just couldn't resist commenting on the OP - END OF THE WORLD  ......AND BETTING!!!

The end for 9 billion people. Everything destroyed. Humanity wiped out. Thousands of years of civilisation disappears.Nothing just nothing left.

And yet ...its the end of BETTING, too

This, somewhat blinkered perspective, tops even the famous Sun headline. FOG IN CHANNEL. CONTINENT CUT OFF.

Googling seems to suggest it was The Times!

Here we go againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

ISRAEL at it again...their rhetoric is so pathetic..........

December 2012 approaching.....Mayan calender ends etc etc etc soon..................as per

The Mayan calendar is divided into Seven Ages of Man. The fourth epoch ended in August 1987. The Mayan calendar comes to an end on Sunday, December 23, 2012. Only a few people will survive the catastrophe that ensues. In the fifth age, humanity will realize its spiritual destiny. In the sixth age, we will realize God within ourselves, and in the seventh age we will become so spiritual that we will be telepathic.
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With Israel now spouting about invasion of GAZZA ...again....and over 30,000 being prepared etc etc......is this the start of the end game?

The United States, Israel's key ally, has called on countries that have contact with Hamas to urge it to stop rocket attacks from Gaza.

"We've... urged those that have a degree of influence with Hamas such as Turkey, and Egypt and some of our European partners to use that influence to urge Hamas to de-escalate," said Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser, in a conference call with reporters.

Asked if the US was concerned that Israeli ground forces would enter Gaza, Mr Rhodes said: "Ultimately it's up to the Israeli government to make determinations about how they're going to carry out their military objectives."

Arab League foreign ministers plan to meet in emergency session on Friday to discuss the escalating violence.

Israel's aerial and naval bombardment of the Gaza Strip, which began after a recent wave of rocket attacks from there, is its most intense assault on the Palestinian territory since it launched a full-scale invasion four years ago, also in response to rocket fire.
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No progress re 2 state settlement after decades of talk......

USA now , and have been for last year, making statements likely to encourage I to do whatever they want to do.....and they WILL!

When will they ever learn that "an eye for an eye" only ends up with both opponents being blind!

Needs OBAMA to shake both sides heids together ASAP.....otherise this will escalate towards the Mayan end of calendar scenario......and end of betting


Maybe BF can do something about these eeeeeeeeeejjjjjjjiiiiiiiiiiittttssssssssssssss.........

Morning DFC, hope you`re well mate. You paint a grim picture.

We`ll still be on here in 2013 losing money

Good day ahead with Cheltenham DFC