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hopeful-frank
19 Sep 11 13:54
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Being a typical mug punter who over the years has lost more than I care to think about betting on everything from Albanian granny racing to Zimbabwean zebra trotting, with premium rate lines, dodgy tipsters, odds to services and crap systems - it might be time for a change of tactics.

Thinking out loud.......if I was to bet in-play on the likes of football,tennis, rugby, etc....what percentage of in-play bets that go 1.01, 1.02 get turned over?

My untried theory is to bet all the bank on a 1.01 shot - if it was football it would have to be a team at least 2 goals clear with a few minutes to go rather than a team only 1-up playing injury time that could draw........ or if the game in progress had a team or player trading at 1.03 - back at 1.03 then lay off at 1.02 or 1,01.........not very exciting  but a less riskier option than horses, greyhounds or anything else

Simplistically if you could find 7-10 of these bets a day, you could double the bank fairly quickly. Say 10 bets at 1% gain daily - doubles the bank in 8 days.

Aiming for minute returns often might be a better strategy than anything else I've tried to date- but betting all the bank at 1.01 I still could come a cropper or is it doable?

Any thoughts please?

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LordBobbbin
When: 19 Sep 11 14:12
1.01 bets do get turned over every now and again. You only need to catch one and you're stuffed. I've seen a good number of 1.01 tennis matches get turned on their head. You only need a player to fail to serve out for the match, and their confidence can collapse. If the other player's up for it, that 1.01 can become sticky very quickly.    I suspect it happens less often in football, but you still get a few late comebacks from a couple of goals down - you only need to be on the rough end of an Everton 3-Manchester United 3 scoreline once and your bank will be in serious danger.

You've also got the problem that if the match is looking really really safe, there's often nobody willing to lay your 1.01. As long as it's 1.01, there's generally a chance for the other side, even if it is an incredibly miniscule one.
By:
Betfair-Donk
When: 19 Sep 11 14:23
Tennis is good for trading.

Fairly easy system to follow is to lay the 1st set winner.   I am already underway in my tennis trading for today.

I layed Donskoy after he won 1st set @ 1.10 for £200 and he is now trading at 2.86 so you can see the swings

I got out alot sooner than 2.86 and backed back @ 1.92 and made a fairly routine  £80 without too much effort.


Worst case scenario is losing £20.  swings in tennis are huge
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LordBobbbin
When: 19 Sep 11 14:42
Yeah, tennis is very good for trading. You can't indiscriminately lay anyone who wins the first set. But if you watch lots of matches then you can train yourself to see when the momentum is shifting.

Each game is a mini progress report, and you'll often see a shift when the player behind starts holding their own serve more easily while returning more shots on their opponent's serve. Alternatively, if the player behind is the one trying to make the winning shots but they're making lots of unforced errors, watch for signs that they're cutting out the UEs - if they do, they may well take charge.

These things aren't infallible, obviously, but you can often detect the signs that they're turning the tide. And the odds tend not to change much until they get close to breaking the other player, so you'll often get chances to lay at very short prices even though you have a good idea the favourite is beginning to wilt.

It only takes one game to completely switch the momentum in a tennis match. Learn to sense the shifts and lay at short prices in expectation of a break (try not to wait until the break actually happens, although if you've been sensing a shift and then the favourite goes 0-15 or 0-30 on their service game, there may still be some good value available), and you don't have to be right very often in order to make good money.  In my opinion, this is a much more effective approach than backing 1.01 shots...
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hopeful-frank
When: 19 Sep 11 15:13
Food for thought, I've dabbled with Tennis trading before and invariably picked the wrong un!

Do you use a specific site to track the matches? I'm not sure how up to speed the Betfair scores are, or similarly I've tried flashscores for progress?

On my original theory I'm not sure I'd have the balls to put a few hundred down to win a couple of quid - if I try and pinch a few % trading rather than go all out with 100% gung-ho - at least I can trade out and limit a loss rather than go down in a blaze of ignominy!
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LordBobbbin
When: 19 Sep 11 16:12
If possible, it's best to watch the matches in live video (Livescorehunter is a decent site for live tennis matches if Betfair aren't covering the match.), as points alone don't tell you the full story. Ideally you want to be knowing if somebody is having trouble handling the power of the other player. Is one player going to dominate if they get into their stride?

TennisInsight is good for checking the past form on players - although I wouldn't place great importance on the picks of the posters. Remember that different tournaments are taken more seriously by some players than by others.  The top seeds are often opposable in tournaments just before a Grandslam. Go through the top 10 or 20 players and see what types of tournaments they have the most success in. You might be surprised at the results!

The protennislive site gives you decent score information. It also offers invaluable statistics on how many points each player has scored over the match and individual sets - if these scores are very close together but one player is a break up, it's often a sign that the match is quite close and could still go either way. Laying the fave is often the way to go in those matches. As I say, the points don't tell you the whole story, but you should still keep a close eye on those stats.

In all honesty, you do need to put quite a bit of time in on tennis. Particularly if you want to watch the matches. Although I do a bit of tennis betting, I do feel I have enough on my plate with horse racing, and the latter allows me to organise my time better - if I do racing and tennis, I find it very easy to spend my entire day on betting, and that isn't really what I want personally.

However, if you want to find a better way of betting, and fancy becoming proficient at something, I can tell you there's plenty of money to be made on trading tennis matches. Just look to lay low, and get used to having a few matches where you lose small sums - one or two good results will invariably come along and leave you considerably ahead. The more you watch, the better you'll get at spotting a match that could be about to turn around. 

Most important of all though - don't bet on a match just because it's on. If you see no signs of a reversal, don't bet.  Learn to count not losing on a match that you have no fix on as being a victory of sorts!
By:
paulme
When: 19 Sep 11 16:14
work LB? Laugh
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LordBobbbin
When: 19 Sep 11 16:20
You know me Paul. Once I get writing....
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