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I've been away a while but assumed that this cup had been debunked.
However whilst speaking with the great man I told him this and had he admitted it. His response was;
'Mr Cherry, why would I admit to something that is not true?
What I will say I am truly amazed at the discussions on other forums that have taken place over the past few years.
I never knew these discussions existed until a forumite who called himself Sliced posted on a BetFair forum about the.
Someone else called the Globbler or something like that even tried to sell the System saying he knew whst it was. I just find it hard to believe.
So it's real! I didn't like to ask how much he has made btw, talking about money is vulgar.
However whilst speaking with the great man I told him this and had he admitted it. His response was;
'Mr Cherry, why would I admit to something that is not true?
What I will say I am truly amazed at the discussions on other forums that have taken place over the past few years.
I never knew these discussions existed until a forumite who called himself Sliced posted on a BetFair forum about the.
Someone else called the Globbler or something like that even tried to sell the System saying he knew whst it was. I just find it hard to believe.
So it's real! I didn't like to ask how much he has made btw, talking about money is vulgar.
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'I told him this and asked if he had admitted it'
I'm not Slicer, Dave.
I spoke to him on the '9/11 Roadtrip - My Perspective..by Emily Louise Church' on ChitChat.
I spoke to him on the '9/11 Roadtrip - My Perspective..by Emily Louise Church' on ChitChat.
This yet another of the con artist Slicer's accounts - jesus, how many more of them are there?
I'm not Slicer! Was it a load of rubbish then?
Slicer is an older gent iirc and I couldn't believe he would do a fishing trip
of such enormity, and I presume so did others, otherwise he wouldn't have got such a 'following.'
Why is he still saying the thing is real?
Slicer is an older gent iirc and I couldn't believe he would do a fishing trip
of such enormity, and I presume so did others, otherwise he wouldn't have got such a 'following.'
Why is he still saying the thing is real?
slicer had his pants well & truly pulled down on that globber thread.
Total bullsh!tter.
Total bullsh!tter.
You could call his approach the long con, but when it came to execution he made a mess of it.
Blimey, he's regarded as a con-artist? 99% of his posts seemed to have humour attached so I never knew whether he was on the wind-up.
Shocked me that forumites have this view of him!
Is the globber thread still viewable, Dave?
Shocked me that forumites have this view of him!
Is the globber thread still viewable, Dave?
Wasn't kmabet posing as Gobbler? Then kmabet sold the strategy slightly prematurely [as Gobbler], then again at a later date as kmabet offering 50 people an opportunity of a lifetime? [http://slicersbet.blogspot.com/]
This is a good post from another site, how close it is, is debatable:
Slicers Bet Explained
Here follows a short extract from one of my publications on Betfair Trading
“As you will be aware from my manuals and articles, my fascination with the Correct Score market was initiated on my discovering a thread by a well known Correct Score enthusiast and expert on the Betfair forum.
He went by the “handle” of Slicer and during the 2008 European Championship, he decided to announce, to initial acclaim, that a cross market strategy he had been working on had finally borne fruit and he had managed to tweak things enough to create no lose situation on football matches.
He posted the initial structure of his bet on the forum but kept the final details of how to make the method perfect to himself.
After a short while after plenty of teasing and a lot of intrigue by the enigmatic Slicer, the other forum members started to doubt him (as you would) and decided that he was basically “fishing” for ideas from the other members about how to complete his method.
Although this is an easy assumption to make, it is not really true in the slightest.
Slicer refused the offer of emails from other members offering their opinions and would simply state that if they had discovered the method, they would know as it would produce no lose situations from his initial bets and there really was no need for him to confirm that it was correct.
Also, he always insisted the method would never be available to buy. And to this day I believe he has kept his word.
Hardly the remarks of someone fishing for information.
Personally, I have no idea if Slicer had a method. I have spent many an hour working through the calculation.
I have never made it work exactly as Slicer said it would but I’ve gotten pretty close with a number of different methods. Some of which I will detail in this
chapter.
If you scan the more recent posts on the threads, all you will see is vilification for the man and a complete denial that his method is possible.
Looking at the intelligence of some of the remarks from these naysayer’s, I doubt if they ever had the aptitude or knowledge to work through the puzzle in it’s entirety anyway.
To simply say something can’t be done because you can’t do it is arrogant in the extreme and I think a little unfair.
The abuse is entirely unnecessary. Whatever your thoughts on the man or the method, I personally feel that by introducing it to the trading community, it has made hundreds if not thousands of people take a really intricate look at the markets that they trade. It has made people aware of the many little connections between all of the markets and has undoubtedly improved their knowledge of Football markets and trading in general immeasurably.
How this could ever be a bad thing, I have no idea. Even if they ultimately failed in their efforts, what they have learned in the process could be deemed a worthwhile outcome in itself.
If you wish to work through this, the best starting point is this thread
http://uk-betting-tips.co.uk/showthread.php/20149-Slicer-s-bet
And you can also consider the great mans other thread, available here
http://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/25012597/Slicer039;s_World_Cup_Thread-Final_ever_thread_and_postings
Enough from me anyway!
I feel if you even just read through the threads, you will have a far greater understanding of the things I am about to discuss….
The methods I derived from Slicer’s Bet
If you don’t know the original method, here it is:
Bet 1 - Lay 0-0 Half Time Correct score Bet 2 - Back 0-0 Full Time Correct Score Bet 3 - ?????
You stake the bets so that if there is a goal in the first half, you win overall after you take into account your loss from bet 2.
If there is no goal in the first half, you lose your lay liability from bet 1 and you must adjust bet 2 and place bet 3 which ensures a win overall.
This was all that was given on the actual method in the beginning.
There have been many ambiguous statements from him since but the actual method is what anyone who wanted to trial it had to work with.
After many months of studying markets and an awful lot of paper testing I learned the following..
METHOD 1
The key to get any kind of workable method going was all in the separations between the HT and FT 0-0 prices.
The main problem with just placing Bet’s 1&2 in any game are that if there is no goal scored in the first half, the 0-0 FT has not fallen in price enough to allow you to hedge out for a profit by half time.
In the average game the necessary price isn’t reached until the 55-60 minute mark, leaving you a 10 minute spell where a goal will kill your remaining bet and lose you a lot of money.
As discussed earlier, if the first half is goalless, at half time you can expect the 0-0 Ft to be around 108% of the original 0-0 HT price.
Now, the 0-0 FT is nearly always very over priced in relation to the 0-0 HT. On some games however, the difference is astronomical.
I’m talking about games between Europe’s top clubs against relegation fodder teams in their respective divisions mostly, although opportunity’s do arise in other games.
In these games, the difference between the two prices is such that you can simply place bets 1 & 2 and wait for either a goal or half time. By half time, because of the high starting price and the level it has to reach by half time, the FT 0-0 price has fallen enough to give you a chance to green up and sometimes break even overall. Other times you may win a little.
That is a method that has never failed for me.
Ideally you want the separations (Difference between the prices) to be around a multiple of 5.
i.e./ If HT 0-0 price is 3.0, you would want the FT price to be at least 15.0
Also, you need to give careful consideration to your staking strategy.
The best case scenario is if there is a goal scored in the first half. You then win whatever your lay stake was on the HT 0-0. BUT, you also lose your full stake on the FT 0-0.
The answer is you stake a little more on the HT bet than you stake on the
FT bet so that you win overall if there is a goal scored in the first half.
If there is no goal in the first half, you will lose your liability on the HT 0-0 lay. But if you have ensured you have the right separations at the start of the match, there will be enough equity in the 0-0 FT bet to get you out for even or a little profit.
In the beginning I would stake £30 on the HT and £26:40 on the FT. Arbitrary amounts you may suggest but I was trying to get the % he claimed he was getting and I felt if I was to consider it a fair test, I should try for the same %.
If I think it may be a tight game early on and I have had a good week, I will put equal amounts on (taking into account commission on a winning bet) and hope it is 0-0 at half time so I can close my liabilities and let the little green I have run for a little while longer.
This way, if there is a goal in the first half I just break even overall. No win but more importantly, no loss either.
Essentially, this method could lose if the odds on the 0-0 did not come down to the expected level. But that would involve everybody trading back to front (laying something that’s falling in price). And whilst it may happen it would take an absolute battering of one team by another and the reality is……. there would simply have to be a goal for it to effect market dynamics.
Method 2
This method is a bit trickier in it’s implementation. Although it sounds very simple in theory, you do need to be very quick to exercise it properly.
Starting point is same as above and for this, I have only ever tried it with the stakes arranged as in my original testing.
Bet 1 - Lay 0-0 HT for £30
Bet 2 - Back 0-0 FT for £26.40.
The stake for bet 2 may appear inconsequential but I am loathe to tinker with it as the effects of even 10p’s here and there have unknown consequences for me and I see no need to change a winning method.
As the match progresses, if there is a goal in the first half, you will win overall.
If there is no goal, you have to get ready to act fast!
Ensure you have the ladders of both markets open on your screen.
Around the 41 minute mark, the odds on the HT 0-0 will be approaching the
1.2 mark. At this point, it is possible to extract yourself from both markets for a small profit or at worst a break even.
If you have the ladders open, just hedge the markets at the best prices available once the odds on the HT reach 1.21.
I would advise hitting the 0-0 FT hedge first as if a goal goes in before you close that bet, you will still win overall. If you close the HT 0-0 lay first and a goal goes in whilst you are waiting for the 0-0 FT hedge to match, you will lose your full time stake as well as your loss on the HT market.
You will need to be quick and I’d advise scaling your stakes down considerably in your testing phase.
That’s all there is to it. There are many more little nuances and tricks you will uncover whilst working through the problem using the information in the threads.
Even if you don’t solve it, your knowledge of the Correct Score markets will be rivalled by only a few.”
This is a good post from another site, how close it is, is debatable:
Slicers Bet Explained
Here follows a short extract from one of my publications on Betfair Trading
“As you will be aware from my manuals and articles, my fascination with the Correct Score market was initiated on my discovering a thread by a well known Correct Score enthusiast and expert on the Betfair forum.
He went by the “handle” of Slicer and during the 2008 European Championship, he decided to announce, to initial acclaim, that a cross market strategy he had been working on had finally borne fruit and he had managed to tweak things enough to create no lose situation on football matches.
He posted the initial structure of his bet on the forum but kept the final details of how to make the method perfect to himself.
After a short while after plenty of teasing and a lot of intrigue by the enigmatic Slicer, the other forum members started to doubt him (as you would) and decided that he was basically “fishing” for ideas from the other members about how to complete his method.
Although this is an easy assumption to make, it is not really true in the slightest.
Slicer refused the offer of emails from other members offering their opinions and would simply state that if they had discovered the method, they would know as it would produce no lose situations from his initial bets and there really was no need for him to confirm that it was correct.
Also, he always insisted the method would never be available to buy. And to this day I believe he has kept his word.
Hardly the remarks of someone fishing for information.
Personally, I have no idea if Slicer had a method. I have spent many an hour working through the calculation.
I have never made it work exactly as Slicer said it would but I’ve gotten pretty close with a number of different methods. Some of which I will detail in this
chapter.
If you scan the more recent posts on the threads, all you will see is vilification for the man and a complete denial that his method is possible.
Looking at the intelligence of some of the remarks from these naysayer’s, I doubt if they ever had the aptitude or knowledge to work through the puzzle in it’s entirety anyway.
To simply say something can’t be done because you can’t do it is arrogant in the extreme and I think a little unfair.
The abuse is entirely unnecessary. Whatever your thoughts on the man or the method, I personally feel that by introducing it to the trading community, it has made hundreds if not thousands of people take a really intricate look at the markets that they trade. It has made people aware of the many little connections between all of the markets and has undoubtedly improved their knowledge of Football markets and trading in general immeasurably.
How this could ever be a bad thing, I have no idea. Even if they ultimately failed in their efforts, what they have learned in the process could be deemed a worthwhile outcome in itself.
If you wish to work through this, the best starting point is this thread
http://uk-betting-tips.co.uk/showthread.php/20149-Slicer-s-bet
And you can also consider the great mans other thread, available here
http://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/25012597/Slicer039;s_World_Cup_Thread-Final_ever_thread_and_postings
Enough from me anyway!
I feel if you even just read through the threads, you will have a far greater understanding of the things I am about to discuss….
The methods I derived from Slicer’s Bet
If you don’t know the original method, here it is:
Bet 1 - Lay 0-0 Half Time Correct score Bet 2 - Back 0-0 Full Time Correct Score Bet 3 - ?????
You stake the bets so that if there is a goal in the first half, you win overall after you take into account your loss from bet 2.
If there is no goal in the first half, you lose your lay liability from bet 1 and you must adjust bet 2 and place bet 3 which ensures a win overall.
This was all that was given on the actual method in the beginning.
There have been many ambiguous statements from him since but the actual method is what anyone who wanted to trial it had to work with.
After many months of studying markets and an awful lot of paper testing I learned the following..
METHOD 1
The key to get any kind of workable method going was all in the separations between the HT and FT 0-0 prices.
The main problem with just placing Bet’s 1&2 in any game are that if there is no goal scored in the first half, the 0-0 FT has not fallen in price enough to allow you to hedge out for a profit by half time.
In the average game the necessary price isn’t reached until the 55-60 minute mark, leaving you a 10 minute spell where a goal will kill your remaining bet and lose you a lot of money.
As discussed earlier, if the first half is goalless, at half time you can expect the 0-0 Ft to be around 108% of the original 0-0 HT price.
Now, the 0-0 FT is nearly always very over priced in relation to the 0-0 HT. On some games however, the difference is astronomical.
I’m talking about games between Europe’s top clubs against relegation fodder teams in their respective divisions mostly, although opportunity’s do arise in other games.
In these games, the difference between the two prices is such that you can simply place bets 1 & 2 and wait for either a goal or half time. By half time, because of the high starting price and the level it has to reach by half time, the FT 0-0 price has fallen enough to give you a chance to green up and sometimes break even overall. Other times you may win a little.
That is a method that has never failed for me.
Ideally you want the separations (Difference between the prices) to be around a multiple of 5.
i.e./ If HT 0-0 price is 3.0, you would want the FT price to be at least 15.0
Also, you need to give careful consideration to your staking strategy.
The best case scenario is if there is a goal scored in the first half. You then win whatever your lay stake was on the HT 0-0. BUT, you also lose your full stake on the FT 0-0.
The answer is you stake a little more on the HT bet than you stake on the
FT bet so that you win overall if there is a goal scored in the first half.
If there is no goal in the first half, you will lose your liability on the HT 0-0 lay. But if you have ensured you have the right separations at the start of the match, there will be enough equity in the 0-0 FT bet to get you out for even or a little profit.
In the beginning I would stake £30 on the HT and £26:40 on the FT. Arbitrary amounts you may suggest but I was trying to get the % he claimed he was getting and I felt if I was to consider it a fair test, I should try for the same %.
If I think it may be a tight game early on and I have had a good week, I will put equal amounts on (taking into account commission on a winning bet) and hope it is 0-0 at half time so I can close my liabilities and let the little green I have run for a little while longer.
This way, if there is a goal in the first half I just break even overall. No win but more importantly, no loss either.
Essentially, this method could lose if the odds on the 0-0 did not come down to the expected level. But that would involve everybody trading back to front (laying something that’s falling in price). And whilst it may happen it would take an absolute battering of one team by another and the reality is……. there would simply have to be a goal for it to effect market dynamics.
Method 2
This method is a bit trickier in it’s implementation. Although it sounds very simple in theory, you do need to be very quick to exercise it properly.
Starting point is same as above and for this, I have only ever tried it with the stakes arranged as in my original testing.
Bet 1 - Lay 0-0 HT for £30
Bet 2 - Back 0-0 FT for £26.40.
The stake for bet 2 may appear inconsequential but I am loathe to tinker with it as the effects of even 10p’s here and there have unknown consequences for me and I see no need to change a winning method.
As the match progresses, if there is a goal in the first half, you will win overall.
If there is no goal, you have to get ready to act fast!
Ensure you have the ladders of both markets open on your screen.
Around the 41 minute mark, the odds on the HT 0-0 will be approaching the
1.2 mark. At this point, it is possible to extract yourself from both markets for a small profit or at worst a break even.
If you have the ladders open, just hedge the markets at the best prices available once the odds on the HT reach 1.21.
I would advise hitting the 0-0 FT hedge first as if a goal goes in before you close that bet, you will still win overall. If you close the HT 0-0 lay first and a goal goes in whilst you are waiting for the 0-0 FT hedge to match, you will lose your full time stake as well as your loss on the HT market.
You will need to be quick and I’d advise scaling your stakes down considerably in your testing phase.
That’s all there is to it. There are many more little nuances and tricks you will uncover whilst working through the problem using the information in the threads.
Even if you don’t solve it, your knowledge of the Correct Score markets will be rivalled by only a few.”
Not this again!
How many times do I have to tell all of you on here?
I have only one forum name. I post only as Slicer. I have no connection to, or know personally any other BetFairians.
I am not a con merchent and have always stated that I would never buy or sell a system or tips. I do not post on any other forums whatsoever.
I do not wish to offend the following forum names, but Sliced, from his postings, appeared to be a Slicer wanabee and the Globber appeared to be an absolute idiot who I believe could allegedly also be kmabet. It appears from reading other forums that the Globber managed to sell approx 200 copies of his method and apparently fell down on the very first selection.
Those of you who have been on BetFair since I joined and have read my posts and threads will know thay I try to educate and provide some humour, or solace when the need arrives.
In real life I am a highly educated highly qualified old age pensioner, who frankly does not need the paltry amounts received from selling systems that do not work. I have posted many times the statement from Phil Bull, the founder of Timeform, that "A goose that lays golden eggs is never for sale!"
Think for yourselves. If someone has a successful method or has access to reliable stable information, and can make a consistently good income from them, why would they want to sell or pass it all on. Greedy? Perhaps! BUT why go to the trouble.
Think for yourselves again. Ask anyone who purports to be a very successful gambler about their properties, holidays, cars etc. If they are successful, they will have the trappings of success. They won't waste their time dealing with eager punters who throw abuse when the tips lose or the information is wrong.
The facts are these:
Very few will ever be successful at gambling. If form or statistics worked out there would be no bookmakers and no one to bet against on BetFair. Value is an overused term and although there are some on the horseracing forum who swear by it, ask them how often value betting works out.
BetFairs own statistics of a few years ago show:
1. Less than 1% of punters on BetFair make profits in excess of £15k a year.
2. More drifters on the horse racing markets win than horses whose prices shorten. That must tell us all something.
Now, frankly, although I think it is always pleasant to be liked,I don't care what a load of anonymous forumites think of me (apart from a few who I always enjoy banter with, you know who you are).
BUT I will not have my good name tarnished.
For the last time I catagorically state that I have no other user name and do not post on other forums and I do not sell tips or systems.
Believe me if you like and if you don't, well, you know what you can do!
I hope this clarifies the matter.
How many times do I have to tell all of you on here?
I have only one forum name. I post only as Slicer. I have no connection to, or know personally any other BetFairians.
I am not a con merchent and have always stated that I would never buy or sell a system or tips. I do not post on any other forums whatsoever.
I do not wish to offend the following forum names, but Sliced, from his postings, appeared to be a Slicer wanabee and the Globber appeared to be an absolute idiot who I believe could allegedly also be kmabet. It appears from reading other forums that the Globber managed to sell approx 200 copies of his method and apparently fell down on the very first selection.
Those of you who have been on BetFair since I joined and have read my posts and threads will know thay I try to educate and provide some humour, or solace when the need arrives.
In real life I am a highly educated highly qualified old age pensioner, who frankly does not need the paltry amounts received from selling systems that do not work. I have posted many times the statement from Phil Bull, the founder of Timeform, that "A goose that lays golden eggs is never for sale!"
Think for yourselves. If someone has a successful method or has access to reliable stable information, and can make a consistently good income from them, why would they want to sell or pass it all on. Greedy? Perhaps! BUT why go to the trouble.
Think for yourselves again. Ask anyone who purports to be a very successful gambler about their properties, holidays, cars etc. If they are successful, they will have the trappings of success. They won't waste their time dealing with eager punters who throw abuse when the tips lose or the information is wrong.
The facts are these:
Very few will ever be successful at gambling. If form or statistics worked out there would be no bookmakers and no one to bet against on BetFair. Value is an overused term and although there are some on the horseracing forum who swear by it, ask them how often value betting works out.
BetFairs own statistics of a few years ago show:
1. Less than 1% of punters on BetFair make profits in excess of £15k a year.
2. More drifters on the horse racing markets win than horses whose prices shorten. That must tell us all something.
Now, frankly, although I think it is always pleasant to be liked,I don't care what a load of anonymous forumites think of me (apart from a few who I always enjoy banter with, you know who you are).
BUT I will not have my good name tarnished.
For the last time I catagorically state that I have no other user name and do not post on other forums and I do not sell tips or systems.
Believe me if you like and if you don't, well, you know what you can do!
I hope this clarifies the matter.
I am not the Messiah and I am certainly not just a very naughty boy (WELL, not these days anyaway)!
Ha!Ha! You reap what you sow my son. 
Slicer: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!
Followers: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.
Slicer: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!
Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!
Slicer: Now, fcuk off!
[silence]
Followers: How shall we fcuk off, O Lord?
Slicer: I'm not the Messiah! Will you please listen? I am not the Messiah, do you understand? Honestly!
Followers: Only the true Messiah denies His divinity.
Slicer: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right! I am the Messiah!
Followers: He is! He is the Messiah!
Slicer: Now, fcuk off!
[silence]
Followers: How shall we fcuk off, O Lord?
Although I am a great Brain, I am not the Great Brian!
I believe you Slicer.
Say you had healing hands and could save lives. It would be a great gift but your life would never be your own again. There would be queues round the block 24 hours a day and no amount of charging 75 Guineas would give you solace.
The Holy Grail is a similar bugbear
Say you had healing hands and could save lives. It would be a great gift but your life would never be your own again. There would be queues round the block 24 hours a day and no amount of charging 75 Guineas would give you solace.
The Holy Grail is a similar bugbear
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