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Lori
05 Aug 11 13:23
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I thought the famous names making picks to help people lose more slowly was some sort of joke on the annual reports.

Turns out it's true!

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http://betting.betfair.com/football/betfair-signs-up-four-sporting-icons-as-new-ambassador-tea-1-040811.html

Cry

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By:
ballabriggs
When: 05 Aug 11 16:38
LOL
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 05 Aug 11 19:05
No Jim Bowen for betfair SP Cry
By:
TheVis
When: 05 Aug 11 19:43
Greenwood (or whoever writes the article for him) is a complete mug for selecting something in the 1st Try Odds market sliced up into periods of 10 mins.

A genuine side market in a small betting sport that attracts feck all money.  Current book well over 200% and he is recommending a 5/4.  You couldn't make it up.......or maybe that is the whole point.

How much do we pay this goons?
By:
john92
When: 05 Aug 11 20:14
Jim Bowen would be good. When the site crashes he could pop up and say

"Lets have a look at what you would've won...."
By:
Lori
When: 05 Aug 11 20:15
Laugh
By:
Feck N. Eejit
When: 05 Aug 11 20:24
comingupthehill     16 Jul 11 06:27 

great news ,betfair have signed up jim bowen as their face of multoiplies,kile andy gray ,micheal vaughan,- jim will be the main guy and will be promoting the benefits of this great value bet.

why jim bowen


betfair spokesman - jim was poular in the 1970s/80s,and all our older customers remember him well,its also the time of micheal dickenson - where regulary every saturday ,silver buck,bregawn and wayward lad would win - but the starting price was - NO SP returned,as they were that big a cert.

as customers known ,betfair will and can trade out any risks/liabilties they have in the multiplies - so if you ve got 4 out of 5 - expect the betfair SP to be - 0.0 or no sp returned,

jim as knidly offered to phone up any multiple winners and when they see the industry sp 10/1 ,yet betfairs 0.0 - then jim will brighten up their day when he will utter is classic line .

:LETS SEE WHAT YOU WOULD OF WON.
By:
racingguru
When: 06 Aug 11 14:51
LOL - BF making themselves look very silly - wasting on money on these guys and doing nothing to address that site is becoming less competitive by the day.
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 06 Aug 11 15:07
maybe they got the wrong jim.

"dear jim - please could you fix it for me to add australian events to my markets?"
By:
Mr.Angry
When: 06 Aug 11 17:55
:LETS SEE WHAT YOU WOULD OF WON.

It would have been £1000, but is only £400 thanks to the Premium Charge.
By:
DIE LINKE
When: 06 Aug 11 18:56
you've still got BFH
By:
TheInvestor2
When: 07 Aug 11 02:12
I thought the famous names making picks to help people lose more slowly was some sort of joke on the annual reports.

Lori, can you post where it says that. I'd like to have a look at the exact wording. I can't believe that the reason for doing this is to 'help people lose more slowly'.
By:
Lori
When: 07 Aug 11 09:46
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http://corporate.betfair.com/investor-relations/~/media/Files/B/Betfair/pdf/fy11_analyst_presentation.pdf

Page 35/66

Keep money in ecosystem for longer
Make losing customers “better bettors”
Increase number of trades
More commission for Betfair

With arrow pointing to:

Customer Education
•More statistics
•More analytics
•More tips/pundits
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Aug 11 09:48
http://corporate.betfair.com/investor-relations/~/media/Files/B/Betfair/pdf/fy11_analyst_presentation.pdf

SPORTS: IMPROVING MONETISATION

Two actions to improve monetisation of activity
– Ensure winning customers pay appropriately
– Keep money in ecosystem for longer

1. Make losing customers “better bettors”
2. Increase number of trades
3. More commission for Betfair

Customer Education
• More statistics
• More analytics
More tips/pundits

By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Aug 11 09:49
freaky Laugh
By:
Mr.Angry
When: 07 Aug 11 09:56
Keep money in ecosystem for longer

Stop course-siding.
Stop court-siding.
By:
Lori
When: 07 Aug 11 09:59
Weird how often that happens Brendan, nobody replies for hours then two people reply at the same time.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Aug 11 10:00
the black swan of forum postings
By:
Mr.Angry
When: 07 Aug 11 10:06
PC2 was the black swan of betting.  I don't believe that any person with a reasonable understanding of the betting world could foresee a 60% tax on winnings.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Aug 11 18:12
There are thousands and thousands of users on here who have been paying over 100% tax on winnings since day 1.
By:
TheInvestor2
When: 07 Aug 11 18:51
Thanks Lori and Brendan.

I guess all the 'money makers' on here agree that tips/pundits will do absolutely nothing to help leisure punters lose  at a slower rate?

A more pragmatic approach would be to get customers to make optimal use of the exchange: educate people about delays and hoovering so they can avoid it, make sure they understand backing and laying and the risks involved with betting in an illiquid market with a huge overround.

Many leisure punters won't even care that much, but for those that are somewhat price sensitive it would help.

Maybe even explain the imperfect negative correlation between inverse odds [;)]

Some key points:

Statistics / analytics are completely useless for people who don't know what they're doing. Access to this won't magically make a losing punter smarter. I expect the effect to be zero. Providing these stats has been shown to increase the number of bets placed, but it certainly won't increase the 'cleverness' of the people acting on this information.

Tips/ pundits: Someone who is an expert in a sport has very little chance of actually being able to bet profitably on that sport, it's a completely unrelated skill.
By:
Lori
When: 07 Aug 11 19:03
I guess all the 'money makers' on here agree that tips/pundits will do absolutely nothing to help leisure punters lose  at a slower rate?

1.01 that it helps them lose at a faster rate.
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 07 Aug 11 19:06
how do you educate someone to avoid being hoovered?
By:
TheInvestor2
When: 07 Aug 11 19:06
When bf say they wan't customers to lose at a slower rate  I guess they mean they want them to lose less per £1 bet. So if they bet £100 a month and lose £6 and then go to betting £200 a month and losing £10, they'd actually be losing at a slower rate.

Looking at it like that do you think they will lose at a faster rate? I don't think so, but if you do I'd like to know why.
By:
Lori
When: 07 Aug 11 19:23
I think it'll be fractional but if there's weight of numbers on one side of a market, (which will almost certainly be the soft side to begin with) they'll move the odds enough to collectively take a worse price.
By:
Terminal Perversion
When: 07 Aug 11 19:42
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/204889/Sporting-heroes-are-a-safe-bet-in-new-TV-ad/
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 07 Aug 11 19:51
also, lori, who's on the other side of the bets they recommend?

if it's a loser, then pointing people in the direction of their bargain prices will hasten the process of them losing.

if (more likely) it's a winner, the price is probably below true value.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Aug 11 20:28
who in their right mind would take Lee Dixons opinion about whats value in a single football matchConfused[smiley:crazy] Never mind thinking he is consistantly getting value across matches

Its pure nonsense, should be ashamed of themselves for being so rediculous
By:
Lori
When: 07 Aug 11 20:30
I get the impression the sporting geniuses will herd the mugs into the PC payers open arms.
By:
TheInvestor2
When: 07 Aug 11 21:26
Maybe the underlying idea is to steer the punters to liquid markets so all they lose is the commission+the spread.

They'll lose less than betting on something with say a 2.00-2.20 spread.
By:
Wee Mac
When: 07 Aug 11 21:36
The last 3 paragraphs of that Star article:

Betfair’s Andy Lulham said: “Vaughan, Greenwood, Dixon and Nicholls are some of the most respected names in world sport, so it is really fantastic to welcome them to Betfair. Laugh


“Our customers are set to benefit from their valuable insight and experience over the coming months.” LaughLaugh


Betfair was set up in 2009 and is said to have more than three million customers. LaughLaughLaugh

Laugh
By:
Lori
When: 07 Aug 11 21:39
Didn't the rugby guy pick something that had 7k matched on the entire market or something?
By:
FINE AS FROG HAIR
When: 07 Aug 11 21:43
You know if only more people spoke more sense more often like you Investor, then perhaps the likes of me would not feel the uncontrollable urge periodically to ridicule them so often.
So though I am going to try to post less from now on ( not doing too well thus far), I will remain a reader in the vain hope that things will get more balanced on here.
I will therefore perhaps from now on, just to acknowledge my reading presence if nothing else, occasionally just post up the acronym HACT.
I would not expect anybody to be able to translate that, as it is really just a private in-joke.
But it sums up my advice to the many small and petty minded personalities on here, too many in fact.
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 07 Aug 11 21:46
as their sportsbook's going to be expanding into the less liquid markets, it wouldn't be a shock to see punters being pointed in that direction lori.
By:
Lori
When: 07 Aug 11 21:50
That would make more sense viva, although out of line with their mission statement.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Aug 11 22:12
your reading to much into it imo. More likely someone in betfair towers is an Arsenal fan and wants a weekly chat about football with Dixon.

its rudderless, chaotic and makes no sense
By:
TheInvestor2
When: 07 Aug 11 22:13
Thanks FAFH.

Lori, I didn't actually look at the tips, I just assumed that would be the case. It's not really clear what Betfair are trying to accomplish these days.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Aug 11 22:17
http://betting.betfair.com/football/lee-dixon-q-and-a-030811.html

Lee Dixon Q and A

How did your interest in the restaurant business come about?

A friend of mine introduced me to super Chef and life-long Arsenal fan Heston Blumenthal and that kicked it all off.

I mean wtf! Confused[smiley:crazy]
By:
viva el presidente!
When: 07 Aug 11 22:42
"...then after I'd spent two days on a drip spewing my ring he asked me if I fancied investing"
By:
brendanuk1
When: 07 Aug 11 22:47
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1448085,00.html

So you wanted to use your money well?

Even when I was playing, I enjoyed going to fine restaurants and eating out. I love food and I love wine. I first became involved in a chain of Indian restaurants, in the Midlands, called Shimla Pink. They had one, then two, and then a friend of mine asked if I wanted to become involved as a shareholder. But it was disastrous. We grew too quickly. The growth was not controlled and there were too many people involved. In the end, the business went bankrupt.

Did you lose much?

Yes. And I vowed that I’d never become involved in a restaurant again.


Seems that this was before his the Heston adventure, never knew he owned a resturant, so suppose its kind of useful
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