Nearly all pc2 complainers arent good enough to ever be charged it !!!

boring monotonous *****

loser they pay 10 quid plus pay 5%comm everybody else fiver

BBM are you on crack?

totally agree fanatic. it was ridiculous at the time. like anyone not paying PC was in the minority. bad message for newbies here. lets all toast the PC Hike!!

the chance of only paying £2 a month would of meant they would of jumped at the idea and quickly agreed

I think the problem you will find with your logic is the fact that the 480 aren't stupid and know that a monthly subscription fee is a ridiculous idea.  Why would a losing/winning punter want to pay a subcription fee, esp when they can get better/equal odds elsewhere?

bf_f : Recently on the 31st of July I set a trap for all the countless forum persons that constantly go on and on about how
harsh they think the Premium Charge 2 is, what I did is started a thread with an alternative idea to replace the charge

You're so persistent, not only do you "go on and on" about the PC, but you even start a new thread telling us about your last thread! Get a grip man, have a beer, relax.

I'm actually now starting to think that you genuinely can't see the wood for the tree's, you're obsessed with the PC for one reason or another. You should give it a rest though, because I'm thinking now that you're a failed gambler with an envious streak and probably bitterly jealous of those that are successful. Apologies if I'm wrong, but that's how you come across.

Trevh
Bit harsh maybe .
He sounds more like to me as someone with only one gear. Fast forward.
No reverse, no neutral.
Must actually be quite exhausting to be so absolutely positive and up for it all the time.
You on the other hand trevh, like me, sound a bit too old and jaundiced to be so bushy tailed.
I don't think I ever was that bushy tailed about anything ever tbh.
I've always been a bit lazy and have expected to be handed things pretty much on a plate.
Bff sounds as if he has pulled himself up unaided from quite a diadvantageous start to life.
But who knows what we on here really are ?

" ---disadvantageous start---"

Well if the guy has an abundance of energy Frog, he appears to be wasting it. No point harping on and on about the PC, put that energy to good use instead.

As for me, I'm not quite old and jaundiced yet lol, just a mere 44 going on 24, and am very very bushy tailed when it comes to gambling, totally dedicated to the extent that I'm here in the small hours every day to be the early bird that catches the worm. Part of the incentive for me was my mates always telling me about gambling being a slippery slope and a mugs game, so it's quite satisfying to now be making more money than they do a month in their conventional boring 9-5's.

Way to go trevh.
Sorry for putting you into my dotage.
I'm trying very hard however to grow old disgracefully.

I imagine you're doing okay on that score Frog :)

My opinion is that bf_fananatic is a born loser judging by his posts.
LOL He can't even spell his own forum name correctly.

I'm sure these pro's would not pay a monthly subscription fee.
Just to name a few.

Name     Alan Woods (a.k.a Mr Huge)
Age     62 - deceased January 26, 2008
Birth Place     Murwillumbah, New South Wales AUSTRALIA   Image
Residence     Manilla, Philipines (at death)
Estimated Worth     $670 million USD
Method Summary     Value opportunities are identified through form analysis to establish a horse's probability rating which is then compared to it's market price.

Name     Patrick Veitch
Age     39
Birth Place     UNITED KINGDOM   Image
Residence     United Kingdom
Estimated Worth     Unknown - made over £10 million profit between 1999 - 2007
Method Summary     Selections are based on mathematical assessment of runners compared to their price in the race

Name     Dave Nevison
Age     47
Birth Place     UNITED KINGDOM   Image
Residence     United Kingdom
Estimated Worth     Unknown - est. income £50 thousand p.a. minimum.
Method Summary     Looks for value picks. Runners who he assesses as overpriced in the market given their chance of winning.

Name     Andrew Beyer
Age     65
Birth Place     Washington D.C UNITED STATES   Image
Residence     Washington D.C United States
Estimated Worth     Unknown
Method Summary     Calculates a speed rating for each horse's past runs and compares each runners rating to determine the fastest horse in the race.

Name     Zeljko Ranogajec
Age     48
Birth Place     Hobart, Tasmania AUSTRALIA   Image
Residence     Balmoral, New South Wales Australia
Estimated Worth     Unknown - est. profit $10 - $20 million p.a.
Method Summary     Looks for value picks using percentages.

Name     William Benter
Age     42
Birth Place     Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania UNITED STATES   Image
Residence     Hong Kong
Estimated Worth     Unknown - est. profit $6 - $8 million p.a.
Method Summary     Uses form analysis to determine the probability of various race outcomes.

If you think a born loser is someone who owns probably the most profitable greyhound prediction
system ever then you need a prescription, like the greyhound I am a born winner.

"A horse is made to run by a jockey , a human athlete runs to beat a clock, but only a greyhound is born to run"

Don't they sometimes overfeed them before races or dodgy things like that ?

I Haven't come across data that suggests or supports this practice, doubtless there will be some foul
play in all sports but its only a very tiny proportion of what are otherwise honest sporting events

I have trained greyhounds and believe me they are easily nobbled.
Although greyhounds start quick, they can't mach a race horse for speed(even with 9 stone on their back) once in full stride.

Letting rare negative activity or persons overwhelm the positive parts and whole of any popular event or pastime is negative behavior you only need to look at the handful on here that constantly moan about odds,charges,the firm, other posters from a base of over 3 million users to realize that!

bf_fananatic
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I don't bet on anything at the moment but I do lay peoples doubts to rest and back good ideas. Football is very popular on sports betting now and surely you like the wider range of football markets that the duckpond cant open for fear of diluted liquidity that is all ready super-sized to make it look respectable with a matched figure that represents total winnings and exposure figure and not the matched stake value, very naughty practice over at the duckpond.


The most profitable greyhound prediction system ever must be going well then.

Just 10 more years of paper trading and it will be ready !!

Would you believe that although betfair markets implied chances are believed to be the most accurate
ever according to my tested calculations even thos are out by a factor of around 2 points per race, trading on ticks to me is the method chosen by lesser minds

I don't want to break betfairs bank when I start soon but I will break anyone elses with pleasure, hopefully give the traders a hammering[;)]

At least they are putting money into the markets and pay commission to Betfair. You are just a freerider of the forum facilities.

What I have and know you can only dream of

I dream of nothing most of the day.

I want betfair to get fat on my success, and even if the charges goes up again, I dont mind at all as its survival of the fittest

I admire your persistence !

Well I starting my love for greyhounds before I backed them, a kid in the back of a van with 2 greyhounds going to the races, they didn't win but my love for the sport was sealed that night[:)]

If you want to see how special these greyhounds can be type "the fastest greyhound ever Brett lee"
in youtube and watch the clip, sheer electric performances of speed!

Oh dear i sense a confession coming. . .

Big daddy cool video shouldn't be missed as well, the one with the cool music

Would you like to tell us more about your "love" for greyhounds, does it involve j and g ? ? ?

Its sad that the derby has won by a foreign horse and got so much tv coverage, the greyhound derby
was won by taylors sky who broke the record twice in heats and final , charlie lister equaled the record for most derby wins and the trap 1 voodoo was broken, It got hardly any press or tv coverage[:(]

In Australia greyhound big races are massive events, on tv and at the track, but bookmakers have devalued the product for over 20 years now in britain!

And yet its still the number 2 betting  sport, but they hold a monopoly on dog tracks, keep the prize money low to discourage fair races, when they bought monmore the first thing they did is alter the first bend to turn a safe track into a crash course, how good is that for the sport?

The bookmakers by televising dog races in high street shops created low attendances at tracks and then bought up the tracks, they feed the trackside bookies with office money, they control the whole game except for gra tracks who get little in help from private investment!

The tracks could have got a better deal and bookmakers effect on track attendances is a matter of grave concern then and now, for greyhound and horse racing.

I reckon if betfair got a deal with GRA and televised there tracks races on betfair, the tracks would get a regular source of income and betting on dog races through betfair would increase considerably,
In winter when the flat season is finishes and meetings are sparse its the greyhound racing that keeps the bookies going, all that virtual rubbish and machines are not what punters really want as there is no skill or form relationship to winning!

And yet the hare still wins every race !
SEriously thoug are you really claiming Bff that GR is a less corrupted betting activity than HR ?
I add that this is a unloaded question from someone who is unfamiliar with both sports.

I have little idea about what goes on with fixed racing but most punters assume if there backed
dog gets bumped,impeded,sent wide, checked, knock over that its fixed, perhaps they need to understand that its all on the first bend at most tracks that the race is won and if you look at how many dogs go on to win a race if leading and out of trouble then its certainly between 40%-80% Dependant on track type and season(eg crayford winter,80%,hove summer 40%)

Horse racing has much less of a negative start effect than GR except for sprints to up to 6F
but the leader wins much less of the races.

Backing favorites at GR is  a risky business though and only should be done on the basis of a very good draw advantage, the opposite should be laid, small price/bad draw.

but in answer to your question fafh there is little evidence of fixing in racing in my opinion

Your closing sentence intrigues me.
Are you naive and wrong, or am I too believing in the general wide held converse opinions on this matter, and thus in fact I'm wrong ?.

bf_fananatic     03 Aug 11 20:46 
If you think a born loser is someone who owns probably the most profitable greyhound prediction
system ever then you need a prescription, like the greyhound I am a born winner.




and yet you have not had a bet in your 17 days and 600 posts on the forum

I would hope he has sneaked in at least one or two.
I mean how many greyhound races have been available for betting on BF over the past 17 days ?
Hundreds ? I don't know.

Over a thousand for sure...

of the order of 100 per day I think

FINE AS FROG HAIR     03 Aug 11 23:30 
I would hope he has sneaked in at least one or two.
I mean how many greyhound races have been available for betting on BF over the past 17 days ?
Hundreds ? I don't know.

he has already admitted on other threads he has not been betting

too busy posting 600 times in 17 days

I have had an account for 3 years but not stupid enough to start betting until I reach my goals, This requires super-human dedication and work, my portfolio for racing prediction software is both rich and varied



thats some paper trial

I am still housed in my box, don't want the lid to rise till i am ready, is the fact that many hundreds of thousands of races have been run since I joined 3 years ago and i haven't loaded my account of any relevance to my ambition.In that time I have been through great changes in my personal life so betting has been side-lined, running a business, closing it down, relationship ending, court battle for child custody, many personal upsets that I wont mention, If I have been a loser as a couple have suggested it wasn't gambling, left that on a profit this year even after bookies conned me out of  a good win. No life has dealt me bad cards in love and other matters,  but I have decided to complete my application to bet on greyhound racing and not in bookmakers but on exchanges as there the only safe option, even with the pc1 and pc2, there is still good money to be won on betfair and the duck cant other me the scope of win sizes possible on the swan so its the swan for me, rather rocked to be honest when i heard about 60% charge on the internet and shocked to find it was true, but having studied BF in finer detail I can see there reasons,1, revised EX-model=+prfits=+shareprice and +revenues, plus looks like the core product is propping up the other expansions in BF, like 10 mill going to  that share ex-model fiasco, dire investment in mp op
But in the end BF may have changed and the swan may break your arm if you upset its profit Kama
but shes still Queen of the betting lake for me

bf fananatic

post your last 3 month p/l ta

000000000000

Trading metaphors....Ok the duck sits on her pond and the swan sits on her lake and if you want them eggs well the swan is making it hard work now, she may break your arm in fact and leave you with one good un, but considering the size of the liquidity of the pond and the that of the lake those big ripe eggs of the swans still look very fine and dandy too me[;)]

bf_fananatic between me and you, How much money does one have to lose in order to troll this place 24/7?

just imagine the size of the omelette.

I wouldn't know I dont know any trolls and I haven't lost a penny on here miss poker!

You have never lost a penny on betfair ever?

bf lunatic

Grow a pair and post your p/l, let's see what a mug you really are

so you own  probably the most profitable greyhound prediction
system ever and have not made any money from it

Misspoker     04 Aug 11 00:02 
You have never lost a penny on betfair ever?

he hasnt had a bet yet

Ah but he has, only 2 people would troll this forum to the extent that he has about the PC.

An employee of Betfair or somebody who has lost their bᴏllᴏx, and from what I hear betfair are not paying overtime anymore.

The apps a monster, too many mods to mention, done a few weeks dry run (no cash)test about 2 months ago, knocked up 1000 points plus in three week than decided to re-vamp the whole thing due to development of field strength (f/s)filtration process that looked promising, now my backing profits up 50-100% so thats 6 weeks well spent, possibly 6 days left for all track upgrading then an isolated data test on 1000 plus races I have stored , modulation of the f/s system another 3-4 days , then 2 days for ex-books dev; which is the end product p.m.o.(prediction model outline for races)converted to
autobetting sofware, then its all systems go.

loser^

I also own the finest greyhound prediction software for the amiga computer, thats in a suitcase, but in those days no betfair, and the race inputting wasn't automated so decided to follow a career and shelved the app, good ground-base though, learned loads about GR with that project

at 500 points a week he will own betfair in a year when he unleashes  probably the most profitable greyhound prediction system ever in 2 weeks

With what i have and know why do you think the pc2 to me isn't a problem?
If I want 60% more , well the last 6 weeks work has improved my profit margin 40%, the off-set 20% can be found dual exchanging and other pipe-lined stuff.
If you really want something work hard and you will get it, even if the goal posts move never give up

Gerbs
04 Aug 11 00:18

at 500 points a week he will own betfair in a year when he unleashes  probably the most profitable greyhound prediction system ever in 2 weeks

They way betfair is going a good 2 weeks for anybody and we may be able to afford it. I wonder how long before Paddy is walking through london in with a betfair coffin.

bf lunatic

post your last 3 months ta

The only problem that I calculate in using BF is the MD statement "that 70 something pence in pound goes to BF for money in" being poor yield then how will 60 pence in top winners pounds going to them through pc2 be better, love to know the real model of profit groups over gbp in ,to gbp to BF, and predicted pc2 profit scrapping policy returns but that information is on someones desk at HQ

BF come on, how much did you have to lose to drive you trolling this place?

oh about twenty quid did it, am cheap that way miss

I saw the thread, thought it was stupid and didn't read it or reply. You didn't set a trap, you started a thread that clever people wouldn't bother reading!

Quite true pumkinslayerII but in wasn't aimed at clever people like you, just those pretending there on the pc2

bff mentioned being ripped off by bookies and betting with them but no mention of betting on here.

Sounds like a mug punter though.

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I am loving my BLKD side!

I am not one that usually puts my opinion in words,but have had enough of this guys (bff)total crap.
I flagged that to betfair the other day (as i feel everyone with a brain  should do).
For someone who puts yourself in the same context i do  find you a total pain in the arse

God knows what any shareholders must be thinking when they see you being allowed to post one crap after another.
Remove my post and i will remove not only my small bank but also watch as the football season starts and my friends do the same