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robbiedlfc
28 Jun 11 00:19
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Ok guys, i need some help.. otherwise my brain will completely melt. Like I swear to god.

I'm trying to understand lay betting.. and I understand it's betting AGAINST something to happen. Right? But I have read things etc.. and I understand that there's a certain risk involved... but surely there's risk in all betting. :/ And I gather that it is against other people putting the bets on?

I'm very confused, and I'd appreciate some answers as to what exactly it is.

Oh and try and keep it simple, haha.

Thanks a million, Robbie. Laugh

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By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 28 Jun 11 01:47
Hope I'm not being fished.

If you LAY against the Irish football team Bray beating Dundalk at 2.72 @ £100 - and Bray win, you would lose £172! because you lose your £100 stake, plus your stake times the odds - another £72.

If Bray lose, you Win £100 - your stake,

Whatever amount of money you place in the Lay box underneath where it says 'backers stake' - is the amount you will win if the bet wins, just to the right of that box is the amount you stand to lose 'the liability' if your bet loses, your bet will not be placed unless you have enough money in your account top cover the liability.
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swift-tuttle
When: 28 Jun 11 09:50
The 2 bookmakers have different ideas of who has the best chances of winning. They offer the following Fixed-odds gambling on the outcomes of the event

Bookmaker 1 Bookmaker2
Outcome 1 1.25 1.43
Outcome 2 3.9 2.85

For an individual bookmaker, the sum of the inverse of all outcomes of an event will always be greater than 1.
1.25 − 1 + 3.9 − 1 = 1.056 and
1.43 − 1 + 2.85 − 1 = 1.051

The fraction above 1, is the bookmakers return rate, the amount the bookmaker earns on offering bets at some event. Bookmaker 1 will in this example expect to earn 5.6% on bets on the tennis game. Usually these gaps will be in the order 8 - 12%.

The idea is to find odds at different bookmakers, where the sum of the inverse of all the outcomes are below 1. Meaning that the bookmakers disagree on the chances of the outcomes. This discrepancy can be used to obtain a profit.
By:
undern
When: 28 Jun 11 10:27
Laying is simply not wanting an outcome to happen.

The simpliest example is on a 'two outcome' event.

Example 1: Tossing a coin.

Two outcomes are heads or tails.

Say you don't want heads - then you are laying heads (which in this example) means you will win if tails comes up. 

Example 2: Football match

Three outcomes are Team A win, Draw, Team B win

Say you don't want a draw - then you are laying the draw (which in this example) means you will win if Team A or Team B wins.
By:
robbiedlfc
When: 28 Jun 11 12:12
Cheers guys.

So, you need a lot more money to do lay betting than normal betting?

and, you'd lose more money than you'd win, right?
By:
Eddie the eagle
When: 28 Jun 11 12:38
When you lay , you are acting as a bookmaker.
  If you lay @ 10 (9/1) for £ 100 you can win 100 (the backers stake), but you can lose 900.
If you lay @ 1.2 (1/5) for £ 100 you can win 100 , but you can only lose 20.
By:
Mikeeey
When: 28 Jun 11 17:15
Laying isn't the same as "acting as a bookmaker" - I should know because I've still got a bike!
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Eddie the eagle
When: 28 Jun 11 17:26
Could you please explain what laying is if it isn't acting like a bookmaker ?
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swift-tuttle
When: 28 Jun 11 19:36
industry SP v laying prices on here + commission
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