my horse laying thread. start bank £60

is paulol your father, brother, uncle, best friend or partner?

he's a regular in my local pub

not as good today. the problem with this laying lark is that one unsuccessful one can destroy five successful ones and put you back to square one. i did have chance to green up on the unsuccessful one but chose to let it ride






Horse Racing: -£13.38 | Tote: |  Total P&L:  -£13.38 

 

Horse Racing Showing 1 - 4 of 4 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Tipp 19th May : 2m4f Hcap Chs 19-May-11 18:40  19-May-11 18:48  10.46
Horse Racing / Salis 19th May : 6f Hcap 19-May-11 18:30  19-May-11 18:33  10.46
Horse Racing / Sand 19th May : 1m6f Hcap 19-May-11 18:20  19-May-11 18:25  -40.01
Horse Racing / Tipp 19th May : 2m Hcap Hrd 19-May-11 18:10  19-May-11 18:16  5.71

That was Eternal Heart wan't it

certainly matched at big prices in running

20.00      £99           
21.00      £16           
23.00      £4           
24.00      £2           
25.00      £10           
26.00      £2           
28.00      £31           
30.00      £3           
40.00      £0           
42.00      £1           
44.00      £10           
46.00      £3           
48.00      £6           
55.00      £3           
70.00      £0           
80.00      £2           
85.00     £3

it was Eternal Heart mate yeah.

just had a shocking couple of hours on US racing:

Horse Racing: -£76.12 

Horse Racing Showing 1 - 7 of 7 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / PrIsleD (US) 19th May : R4 5f Claim 19-May-11 23:45  20-May-11 00:03  -11.00
Horse Racing / EvangD (US) 19th May : R1 1m Mdn Claim 19-May-11 23:40  19-May-11 23:46  -5.39
Horse Racing / PrIsleD (US) 19th May : R3 5f Claim 19-May-11 23:20  19-May-11 23:38  -24.60
Horse Racing / Louis (US) 19th May : R9 5f Mdn Claim 19-May-11 23:10  19-May-11 23:25  -19.58
Horse Racing / PrIsleD (US) 19th May : R1 5f Mdn 19-May-11 22:30  19-May-11 23:00  3.99
Horse Racing / Belmont (US) 19th May : R9 6f Mdn Claim 19-May-11 22:15  19-May-11 22:24  10.46
Horse Racing / Louis (US) 19th May : R7 6f Mdn Claim 19-May-11 22:10  19-May-11 22:19  -30.00

don't think horse laying is for me. 3 winners in a row

hey paul mate, this aint shaping up 2 well

hi aueng mate. not too well on thurs nite no.

slight recovery yesterday:



Horse Racing: £9.89 | Tote: |  Total P&L:  £9.89 

 

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Catt 20th May : 5f Hcap 20-May-11 19:50  20-May-11 19:54  9.89

i hope you're saving some of your man u league money
didnt really know u did horses.
any luck withe darts the other night?
apologies for getting off thread topic

aueng
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hey paul mate, this aint shaping up 2 well
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No surprise here then

update:-
challenge start date: 18th may 2011

Horse Racing: -£42.12 |

 

Horse Racing Showing 1 - 20 of 32 markets

Market Start time Settled date Profit/loss (£)
Horse Racing / Newt 25th May : 2m1f Mdn Hrd 25-May-11 16:15  25-May-11 16:21  6.64
Horse Racing / Ayr 25th May : 7f Hcap 25-May-11 15:50  25-May-11 15:55  5.71
Horse Racing / Hex 24th May : 2m4f Hcap Chs 24-May-11 20:30  24-May-11 20:44  2.09
Horse Racing / Hunt 24th May : 2m4f Hcap Chs 24-May-11 19:45  24-May-11 19:53  6.66
Horse Racing / Hex 24th May : 3m1f Nov Chs 24-May-11 19:30  24-May-11 19:42  -5.62
Horse Racing / Chep 24th May : 1m Hcap 24-May-11 15:20  24-May-11 15:24  9.03
Horse Racing / Ripon 24th May : 1m2f Hcap 24-May-11 15:10  24-May-11 15:14  -6.45
Horse Racing / Leic 23rd May : 7f Cond Stks 23-May-11 16:15  23-May-11 16:18  -12.00
Horse Racing / Hayd 21st May : 5f Grp2 21-May-11 15:00  21-May-11 15:15  -5.00
Horse Racing / Chest 21st May : 1m2f Hcap 21-May-11 14:55  21-May-11 14:58  6.09
Horse Racing / Good 21st May : 1m4f Hcap 21-May-11 14:45  21-May-11 14:51  0.00
Horse Racing / Hayd 21st May : 1m Hcap 21-May-11 14:30  21-May-11 14:39  17.12
Horse Racing / Chest 21st May : 6f Mdn Stks 21-May-11 14:25  21-May-11 14:32  10.46
Horse Racing / Good 21st May : 6f Hcap 21-May-11 14:15  21-May-11 14:21  10.46
Horse Racing / Curr 21st May : 6f Mdn 21-May-11 14:10  21-May-11 14:16  -15.00
Horse Racing / Hayd 21st May : 1m4f Hcap 21-May-11 14:00  21-May-11 14:08  2.38
Horse Racing / Chest 21st May : 6f Hcap 21-May-11 13:50  21-May-11 13:55  -16.00
Horse Racing / Catt 20th May : 5f Hcap 20-May-11 19:50  20-May-11 19:54  9.89
Horse Racing / PrIsleD (US) 19th May : R4 5f Claim 19-May-11 23:45  20-May-11 00:03  -11.00
Horse Racing / EvangD (US) 19th May : R1 1m Mdn Claim 19-May-11 23:40  19-May-11 23:46  -5.39

Paul you need to put at least some effort into reseraching your lays!

GL though.

thanks bert. where and how can i conduct such research?

Well studying horses isn't easy, certainly nowhere near as simple as studying football, tennis etc.

A whole range of things need to be taken into account such as the course, the distance, jockey, conditions, strength of the field and so on. I'm no expert on horse racing by any means but a little research can go a long way.

Timeform is quite useful, and to a lesser extent the racing section of sporting life. Racing Post is arguably the best but not everything is free on there. Even the racing section of a newspaper can help you get a feel for things.

GL if you decide to put a little research into picking out losers.

Bert is correct that Horse Racing requires far more research, certainly if you are intending to bet on almost any UK race as there are about 5,000 horses that might run in them.

http://www.racingpost.com/ 

Go on there and type any horses name into the search box and you will get all it's previous form.

But to research an 8 runner race properly looking up the form like that would take about half an hour .And even that is not enough as the form itself does not tell the whole story a lot of the time, so ideally you will have needed to have watched their previous runs. So having enough knowledge to bet race by race is really a full time occupation (unless you are exploiting a flaw in the market that has given you an edge, in which case you don't need to know any form at all) .

Betting race after race without knowing anymore than a cusrory glance at the form figures will give you, is , i would say, the worst thing you can do in gambling.You just have no chance whatever. It is actually worse than playing FOBTs.

So unless you are prepared to spend hours each day studying horses that - in abilty - are as good as pub football teams, then i would say stop what you are doing.

To get involved and knowledgeable of Horse Racing i would recommend just concentrating on top class racing only (Group Racing) . There are only a couple of hundred horses good enough to run in those, and so research is much less of a chore .If you watched all of the Group Races for the next few months you would very soon be familiar with the horses that matter, and by the end of the season you would know as much about it as most people on here.

Fantastic.

thanks bert/tobermory. am thinking i may just make this a general betting challenge as although i enjoy betting on horses, it is the area i lose the most frequently in!?

For example;

P+L since start of thread:

Basketball: £2.25 | Darts: £2.54 | Horse Racing: -£50.92 | Soccer: £38.17 | Tennis: £137.49 | Tote: |  Total P&L:  £129.53

bank now stands at £240. lets see if i can get to 300

Had a quick look at your thread Paulme. Something I don't understand is your horse racing profits for the days you put them up on here were: +20.92, -13.38, -76.12, +9.89 then finally -42.12

Your thread title says you have started with £60 - therefore which would have mean't your 'bank' would have been all gone at some stage by the third day (let alone place any lay bets)

Likewise with your summary - you have indicated a profit of £130 and bank now stands at £240 yet you only started with £60 ?

All looks a bit confusing thats all. I suggest you start a new thread and start with a sizeable bank like £1000 and look to like you said bet on anything you like.

Good luck whatever you do.

I think he probably started with £60 but then his challenge got distorted by betting on other sports.

Good work on the tennis though paul.

My post seemed to have not formatted correctly.

thebert - I was simply trying to say that his horse race results for the first 5 days was

20.92
-13.38
-76.12
+9.89
-42.12

Which means if he started with a bank of £60 he
would have wiped it out sometime during the 3rd
day as well as he wouldn't have had enough money
to actually put up any more lay bets but
continued to do so.

Trying to understand what he was doing and
secondly suggested he start again with a bigger
bank.

thanks for the inputs guys. undern i wasnt wiped out as i was winning money on football. the reason the figures didnt add up yest was cos i have/had pending bets on miami heat (won) and azarenka today (we'll see). bank now £250

up and down today with tennis and horses.

bank now £241.08

shocking day... new P+L since thread began.

Basketball: £13.41 | Darts: £2.54 | Horse Racing: -£64.54 | Soccer: £38.17 | Tennis: -£6.88 | Tote: |  Total P&L:  -£17.30 
 


only nadal can save me now

give up horses mate, u dont have to gamble on every sport

thanks ocean. i like gambling on horses, i just have no clue

your last comment, atleats your honest.

Now why in fks name are you laying fancied horses in 8 horse fields.

Why not start with a minimun field size of say 12 or 14.

Would you prefer to lay a 4-1 pop in a 8 horse field or a 5-1 pop in a 14+ horse field???

So many horses in the field make it tough to get a run or find a position that enables the horse to win, they get trapped 3-4 wide shuffled back tothe rear or burn up early to get a position.

Ok so nadal kinda saved me. Love that guy!

New P+L since thread began (18May11 1700)

Basketball: £13.41 | Darts: £2.54 | Horse Racing: -£46.78 | Soccer: £37.17 | Tennis: £151.46  Total P&L:  £157.80

Withdrawn £150 so new “bank” is £120

few wins on darts and miami heat last night so bank now £150

paulme
thanks ocean. i like gambling on horses, i just have no clue

here is what you should do.. pick a race, study it for 20 mins then spend 5 mins writing a paragraph about why you should back or lay.. then 5 mins finding the ideal price and back it.. job done  in 30 mins.. for one race

have u tried forums like punterslounge or olbg? some good people there.. read this
http://forum.punterslounge.com/f13/horse-racing-glossary-q-57140/

and they do like to answer questions which i am sure u have many [;)]

good luck

thanks for the advice ocean. how do you do on here?

-50 today so bank back down to £100

+40 today so back to £140

nice lay just now on Cygnet in the 2pm to win £20 :)

money on verdasco just now in the tennis at queens

Good luck paulme - hope you make a few bob for the weekend.

thanks shanelee. bad day yesterday on UK/US horse racing. won £50 on murray today but just blown £40 of it on the horses.

bloody nags!!

bank now £12. on peng in the tennis

Only ever had one tennis bet, backed Federer against Murray.

did it win? whats your main sport for betting?

Federer won easily, nearly backed Nadal while on holiday to beat Murray but backed out.

In the football season 90% footy 10% horses. On my thread i`ve made a decent start. Trying to turn £500 into 10k.

Combination of footy & racing, more 50/50.

bank now 0.

new bank of 100 will prob go on federer for wimbledon

horses paul?

www.bhta.org.uk, There you are paul..The British Horseback Tennis Association. sorted

Bloody hell paul I think it's time to give up. Unless you get satisfaction from losing your money.

no i hate losing money. thanks for that Zapper

yeah horses mainly aueng mate.

ok bank back to £60 after wins on andy murray and Frankel. i could never be a pro with these yo yo results

Frankel bloody hell, how did you pick that one?

haha shrewd arent i. and it nearly lost

hey paul, dont u do football any more? cant remember u doing horses before?

yeah will do mate when season starts properly again. i love horse racing, just lose lots at it

bank now £11 after a shocking day betting on royal ascot

paulme, post your ascot bets.. i think its not your selections but your staking thats problem

ok Ascot:

-£15 mug acca's

Dubai Queen 8.00 odds £6.00 stake "to win"  -6.00

Dozy        3.95 £10.00    "to place"          -10.00

Point North 3.50 £10.00 "to place"        -10.00

So You Think  1.44 £5.00 "to win"         -5.00

Jacqueline Quest 6.80 £3.10 "to place"         -3.10

all lost

Horse Racing: -£34.10  Total P&L:  -£34.10

so you had a bank of 60 today and you were staking £10 on each race.. stake bit high dont you think?

£15 on acca!! thats 1/4 of your bank again.. think of it, suppose you had £1000 would you have stuck £250 on that acca?

Now that you have £11 left, stick to £1 bets... you can build from that..

my two main bets tomorrow will be Rumh in 3:05 Ascot and Lay of Fame and Glory in 3:45 Ascot.. Tax free in 8:10 Beverly also interests me..

good luck!

ok mate i may follow you in. so its my staking plan thats whack?

bank all but back to 0 after backing england u-21 to win

take it handy mate

I just got a 1.01 WINNER !!
Here it is =
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paulme ....11 Jun 11 17:25

bank now 0.

who are you?

paul try back to lay for a bit.

paul, i hope you did not follow my selections but the important thing is that your bank would not have busted if your stake size was in proportion

gl!

i followed you ocean mate.

thats excellent mate, tax free won at beverly..  assuming stakes of £1

ruhm loss -1.00
fame and glory lay -1.72
tax free +4.4

profit = +1.68

whats excellent?

bank fvcked

once again relying on nadal and this time federer to save it

yep shocking on monday aueng. i blew a load. you?

very quiet at the moment paul

not betting? your probably not as addicted as me

working?

working a little bit. nah, no bets in a week now bud, doing alright, was getting a bit addicted alright tho

bank still fvcked due to nadal losing to djokovic

recovery challenge/mission in progress...

what happened to this one paul? any chance of an update?

please update bob.vegas

bob.vegas is banned...it's bob-vegas now