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LMansini
18 Jan 11 01:41
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Harmless or will i wake up tomorrow with account balance 0?
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Report viva el presidente! January 18, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
FX: (SHARP INTAKE OF BREATH)
Report LMansini January 18, 2011 2:12 AM GMT
sorry what does that mean?ConfusedShocked
Report viva el presidente! January 18, 2011 2:13 AM GMT
it means: I wouldn't.
Report pittsburgh phil January 18, 2011 12:37 PM GMT
Most hotels also have hardwired cables in the room. Usually connected via the tv or outlet point near it. That would be way safer than wifi but cost a fortune.

If you do have to use wifi in a public place make sure:

a) You have topped up your account / paid for services using cards at home
b) You only ever login to sites which use https login. Not only for betting sites but for also sites such as google, facebook, twitter. Install this firefox add-on

https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere

as it will ensure that all your logins are secured.

c) When you get home immediately change passwords which you have used on wifi.

wifi may have weak security, or it may have strong security. Either way packets can be captured and later decoded extremely quickly. You may not find that your account is accessed immediately but a few weeks later once someone has run your captured data through decoding farms. It's a slim chance but the risk is there.
Report Mr Magoo January 18, 2011 2:27 PM GMT
Don't use Betfair on a public wifi!

It is insecure and unsafe. Other people using the same wifi will be able to listen in. They won't be able to discover your password, but they will be able to place bets using your account. Beware!

Betfair know about the problems (the site should use a secure connection for all of the web pages) but don't seem to care enough to fix it.
Report ocean0201 January 18, 2011 11:45 PM GMT
what if you use API with tools like gruss or geeks toy, is it secure or unsecure?
Report Jimbo747 January 19, 2011 11:50 AM GMT
Setup a remote desktop/remote VNC (or something like logmein.com which is free too) to a PC at home. Can have passwords setup in notepad on your desktop PC, and just copy/paste if you're worried about keyloggers or traffic snooping.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 19, 2011 1:15 PM GMT
Bottom line.
If you're a serious punter on BF , never leave home ?
Report Mr Magoo January 19, 2011 2:11 PM GMT
The API is safe to use on a public wifi, as unlike the website, everything is encrypted using it.
Report no moves January 20, 2011 1:04 AM GMT
Ive decided to take your advice FINE AS FROG HAIR and I am definetly not leaving the house anymore, ever.
Report viva el presidente! January 20, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
Can have passwords setup in notepad on your desktop PC, and just copy/paste if you're worried about keyloggers or traffic snooping.

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not quite true, as some keyloggers apparently also pick up stuff from the cache. but safer, I agree.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 20, 2011 1:57 AM GMT
Run me through this boys.
Has do they empty your BF account.?
Sure they can make bad bets, but not transfer money out.
And what's to say that the bets they make are guaranteed to be all bad ?
Report jt45 January 20, 2011 2:17 AM GMT
FAFH,

Has do they empty your BF account.?
Sure they can make bad bets, but not transfer money out.


If their aim is to make a profit, they could match your funds against bets placed through accounts under their control at very poor prices. Alternatively, they could set up a bf poker account for you and then play against you. If their aim is simply to deprive you of your funds, they could lose your funds against random accounts as above or perhaps via the casino.

And what's to say that the bets they make are guaranteed to be all bad ?

Unless they place all the bets on events that have already been decided, which would be difficult to achieve, then they couldn't ensure that every bet placed through your account would lose. They could, though, continue to place bets through your account at poor value prices until your funds are completely diminished.
Report jt45 January 20, 2011 2:30 AM GMT
* Sorry, it wouldn't be difficult to achieve, particularly if their aim was simply to deprive you of your funds without making and then retaining a profit from their activities.

They could simply place your entire balance on a losing selection at a low price in an event that has been decided. Anything that was initially unmatched would be snapped up, assuming that the market wasn't suspended within a few seconds of the bet being placed.
Report FINE AS FROG HAIR January 20, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
The criminal mind eh.
Seems like I just don't cut it in that respect.
Report jt45 January 20, 2011 2:52 AM GMT
I would imagine that 'professional' fraudsters would use rather more sophisticated techniques than I outlined above.
Report stewards January 24, 2011 5:17 PM GMT
take a look at ironkey.com
Report nonni January 24, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
I would rather recommend an USB 3G plug.  You should be able to buy a telephone card to put in the USB plug at the airport (or hotel lobby) in the country you are traveling to.
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