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I'm wondering if I should use a bot. But I know very little about them and how they can be used.
I almost only bet in-play on soccer matches. I only bet over/unders. I watch the realtionship between the odds on over/under 0,5, 1,5, 2,5, 3,5, 4,5, 5,5 and 6,5 goals. I also bet on half time resylts (correct score and over/under 1,5 goals). Several times during a match it happens that the relationship between the over/under odds are not correct. Feks if the odds on under 2,5 goals is 1,50 23 minutes out in the game, I know what the odds should be at under 3,5 and 4,5 goals and so on.
This was a short explanation of what I'm doing. I can't tell you anymore.
Does anyone know if a bot could help me here?
I almost only bet in-play on soccer matches. I only bet over/unders. I watch the realtionship between the odds on over/under 0,5, 1,5, 2,5, 3,5, 4,5, 5,5 and 6,5 goals. I also bet on half time resylts (correct score and over/under 1,5 goals). Several times during a match it happens that the relationship between the over/under odds are not correct. Feks if the odds on under 2,5 goals is 1,50 23 minutes out in the game, I know what the odds should be at under 3,5 and 4,5 goals and so on.
This was a short explanation of what I'm doing. I can't tell you anymore.
Does anyone know if a bot could help me here?
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Help me save time I mean. So I can spend more time on other things than my computer..
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I'm not sure if it's possible to programme a bot the way I need. I often bet on several games simulaneously. I need tp program the bot before kick off to bet in-play. I can't tell the bot what odds to bet on. I can only tell the bot for example that if the odds on under 2,5 goals is 1,50 23 minutes out in the game, bet on under 3,5 goals if the odds i feks 1,22 or better. I can't see how that could be possible.
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It would be quite easy to achieve what you're trying to do- provided you're willing to spend a little time learning the basics and a bit of programming.
Your shortest route into botting is to get Gruss and learn how to use excel integration. What you describe could easily be achieved that way and the advantage of using Gruss is that you don't have to deal with the back room stuff like logging in, selecting markets etc, the software takes care of all that and you just have to write a little VBA to take care of the betting. |
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Have a look at here:
http://bit.ly/BotSDK |
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Livebetter,
One of my bots does precisely what you're describing. |
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Do you really need a Bot ??
Lets say for example you Back the over 6.5 goals and Lay the 5.5 goals. All your really doing in betting against one possible outcome of the match. Most people want a bot for one of 2 reasons. 1, They want to pre program there trades. or 2, They plan to do huge numbers of trades in a match.. |
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bots are a total waste of time..they can never beat the human
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@ijs
Ha HA Ha LOl classic line ! ;) |
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aye robot ~ do you know if bots like Gruss are faster than the excel api in placing the bets ? (just posted a similar question on another thread). thans.
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livebetter are you just using the price of one of the goal markets to come up with prices for the others?
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livebetter are you just using the price of one of the goal markets to come up with prices for the others?
-------------------- Not quite. The price of one goal market can not predict the correct prices of all the other markets. BUT, the prices of the other markets can predict the price of one market, if you know what I mean.. |
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That's what I was going to say. i know what you mean
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loserschaselosers; I wouldn't have thought so, if anything you'd think it would be a bit slower but I don't know for certain.
Either way there are sure to be much more significant factors such as the speed of your connection. I'm generally inclined towards the view that a few milliseconds don't really make much difference in any case. I've even tried deliberately holding up some bots a little bit to see what happened- in my experiments it made no difference at all. I generally test new bots on my laptop at home which just has bog standard internet, they usually don't do very much worse on this setup than they do on my servers (which are typically about 50ms ahead). Buying a few extra milliseconds can make a small difference which adds up over time, but it won't make the difference between losing and winning. |
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@aye robot
Take a read on Gusses forum. (under trading multiple mkts). 1, There is a huge section on betting between two Identical marekts. (eg, Back Lad b Lay Betfair) 2, Read the section on "Latency" (SP) then read the section on... 3, Placing your Bot / spread sheet on a Server. (this won't make the BOT much qicker, but will make it more reliable). Lots of reading 4 u. :) |
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thanks for your reply aye robot. You're right ~ I'm not looking for milli seconds ~ refreshing the api and then submitting the bets can take perhaps 15 seconds which can be frustrating .
MIB34 ~ where do I find Gusses (Grusses ?) forum ? |
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http://www.gruss-software dot co dot uk /forum/
Enjoy |
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Why so long LCL?
MIB, I know you mean well but perhaps you should read my post again, I'm pretty familiar with latency and I already have a bundle of servers. My point was that for most purposes it makes very little difference in reality. |
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@aye robot
Sorry, I skim read it... (I was up at 5.30 then a day in the City 7 till 6pm doing Tax accounting - bloo**dy long day ) :) * Thats what I was thinking... Surely to get your Latency down you would need to locate your Server as close as possible to BF servers... ££££ ouch! Now that wont help if you run a loosing stratergy in the 1st place... * |
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i don't know. technical infrastructure isn't my thing. could just be my internet connection. i have some pretty large spreadsheets which call the Excel API, refresh the odds, do some calculations and place the bets (if appropriate) . As I said, sometimes the roundtrip is way too long if the markets are moving.
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You really ought to take a look at Gruss then, if you're able to put what you've got together then sorting it out through Gruss will be a doddle for you. Also that way you get full transactional API (in effect) without having to pay for it. I use it a lot because it's very stable and it makes it so easy to try things out, it also makes it easy to manage requests and that kind of stuff which are a pain to implement otherwise. Assuming you can figure it out (sounds like you can) then you can use the COM interface and do just about anything that you would want a bot to do. Even allowing for a very slow spreadsheet I can't imagine it taking anything like 15s to process your triggers, I don't think any of mine take more than 20ms to process and most are considerably quicker than that.
If you don't mind saying- in the broadest terms what are you trying to do? |
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I'm betting on match odds in play when they diverge from my theoretical.
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So presumably you're looking at time, odds, current score and things like that?
If so it'll be easy to get all you need through Gruss, time and odds are logged to excel and you can derive the score from the CS market (which you could log to the same sheet). Assuming that your model isn't too complex you should get that processed in a trice- I can't see it taking more than 100ms to turn around even if it's fairly complex or not well optimised. When it comes to IR football a few ms won't make any difference at all as the bet placement delay renders the difference insignificant. The forum over there is very good, chances are they will help you out with the details if you make a polite request. Good luck. |
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aye robot, Great reply ;)
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thanks aye robot ~ that's excellent. one question if i may : is the time accurate ? one of my biggest issues is knowing the exact time in the match (within say 20 seconds). so many websites have inaccurate match time .
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The short answer is no, the time is just the time since the official start time. However, it would be easy enough for you to implement your own clock by (for example) recording the moment that the match first goes in play using a bit of VBA (Gruss tells you if it's in play or not) and then taking the difference between that and whatever is on the clock. It may be more complicated to take account of injury time and so on, I don't know to be honest, football's not my thing- I'm sure there'll be a way though.
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ok no problem. that is basically what i do now.
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