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do I just start paying back the PC as soon as my lifetime P&L reaches the point where the big win no longer constitutes 50%
thats the way it looks to me it has showed up in my PC page then dissapeared when i won more then when i had a big loss it appeared back in the calculations |
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Fishing fred from a constant loser.
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Thanks Gerbs, I suspected it was that. Probably saving me from some reckless punting anyway :p
Cheers |
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Have a look through gubbed for threads by clydebank29 he had a problem with precisely this issue, i seem to remember you end up paying it back.
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*I think. Hopefully he's about to put me right if I'm wrong
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Knight Rider. If your big win lands and you get the exemption, you get credited for the PC that was due.
It doesn't comeback to haunt you at a later date.....Cheers PS...Didn't think TIGER was gone that big a price. :^0 |
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blessington
what happens if you have a bigger win later on and that is more than 50% do you get it again if im 9k up and my big win was 5k 2 years ago and then if i go 40k in front and have a big win of 21k in the future do i get credited with that |
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hopefully it just replaces the first one
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KR , you are right in assuming it will only be exempt as long as it represent more than 50 % of your total profit.
This mean that it's only a delay in paying PC on that win as long as you keep on winning in the future. It's not like you only have one go at it though. Any win during your lifetime that represent more than 50 % of your total profit at the weekly calculation time will will not be included in your total profit number. Sadly there will be no refund for an earlier big win that you have paid PC on if you incure losses so that the mentioned big win all of a sudden should be exempt though. |
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EDDIE...When I got exempt for a win.
The amount that should have been due, went on my account as a Premiun Charges paid.....Which of course I hadn't. |
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Blessington , are you sure because it didn't in my case.
What happens, at least in my case, is that the big win is withdrawn from your total win amount and the total charges is therefore still around 20 %. The problem with this occure later if you keep on winning. In my case my total charges went from 20 % to less than 10 % the week the "big win" no longer represented more than 50 % of my Gross PL. This again ment I had to pay PC on every winning week even if I had a bigger losing week the week before. And this kept on until I had reached the magic 20 % again. |
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EDDIE...Yeah that what they did in the first year or first few months for me and the guy was all kind of jiggy in Betfair telling me how it worked. Telling me not only does a big win means your exempt but it also pushes up your percentage of charges paid.
But as you know some of those rules then were written in sand such as your first payement is exempt. But they also seems to apply the same rule for winning bets that were due for premiun charges but were exempt because they were Ante Post bets of a kind, placed before the 2nd rule changes ie under 250 markets last October. In those cases too I've got credited for premiun charges that were due for the win, which put me back on to 20%. Yeah I guess its not clear and Knight Rider would really need his answer in writing before he could rely on any reply and he be unlikely to get that now before the Masters at the pace the helpdesk usually sends out answers on premiun charge questions......Cheers |
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Thanks guys, since it is not clear cut I have asked my account manager for clarification. Not gonna paste his reply on here but will let you know the outcome.
Cheers |
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KR , I would appreciate that because I know for a fact that what Blessington says didn't happen in my case.
I still find it hard to believe that Betfair treat their customers differently , but when you look at the way they have behaved the last couple of years , you never know..... |
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According to my AM, Eddie is right. As soon as the big win went under 50% of Gross PL, it would no longer be exempt and I would have to pay PC.
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Thanks for getting back to us Knight Rider. Eddie is usally always right about these things.
But that seems WEIRD sure thats not a exemption thats only a loan to be repaid after future wins. Plus its setting a precedent that if exemptions can be taken back surely deductions that were taken from accounts that later rises over the 20% should recieve rebates Anyway saying that, if the below was his answer rather than you just replying in your own words. Well of course that would be the verdict. As AT THE TIME it has to be 50% or more but if you had a big win later but it was now less than 50% well then of course a exemption wouldn't apply.. Knight Rider 08 Apr 14:30 According to my AM, Eddie is right. As soon as the big win went under 50% of Gross PL, it would no longer be exempt and I would have to pay PC. Are you sure there he means a past win.... or does he mean a big win that is just coming but has now fallen below 50% of your overall profits thanks to some other smaller wins at the same time? Unless a guy is actually paying it you can never trust these answers even from a Betfair employee as they do also get it wrong. In my case its was in the old premiun charge in 2008 so I never fell back under the 50% anyway plus afterwards I kept it below 250 markets per year. So I can't swear about what happened, only what I was told by the pc department at the time would happen. But I know with Ante Post bets which fell under the old criteria as near as last Febuary they gave me CREDIT for the premiun charges that now should have been due rather than just not deducting anything. It seems strange that if they change one rule they wouldn't change this rule as well. But I guess with the pc some things turn out stranger than others......Cheers |
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I guess the simplest way to think about it is, each week when they do the calculation, if any single win is greater than 50% of your Gross PL at that point in time, that win will be disregarded from calculations.
Fairly sure he gave me the correct answer as he went away, spoke to the relevant expert and got back to me a few days later (as opposed to guessing an answer straight away). However I would encourage anyone with any doubt to contact BF directly for confirmation rather than relying on me. Don't think "but Knight Rider said so on the forum!" would stand up in court :-) |