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does anyone have a working system at present where they are pulling in regular profits???
many think 'it cant be done', but are there guys out there who have found a way of pulling in the cash?
many think 'it cant be done', but are there guys out there who have found a way of pulling in the cash?
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the ones that work now might fail later who knows
I use the Elliott Shirt system, not had good results in the short term but long term it should make huge money.
which is good life?
dukeofpuke - any long term successes?
dukeofpuke - any long term successes?
in CL games when home team is fav and goals price short lets say 0-1 must be under 2.80
and also 2nd leg if knockout or last game if group game if result needed
back home team ht/ft home/draw
lay ht draw
if draw ht trade out for whatever
if not a draw ht ££££
and also 2nd leg if knockout or last game if group game if result needed
back home team ht/ft home/draw
lay ht draw
if draw ht trade out for whatever
if not a draw ht ££££
Horace Batchelor Infa Draw Method ... been working for years!
Got one that works on here, backing outsiders. Works because of the massive difference between sp and prices of outsiders on betfair.
start a short term money lending service for betfair punters
dont let them borrow more than about £100 a time or youll never be paid back
who knows, maybe one of your punters might win and youll get a tip
h2h
dont let them borrow more than about £100 a time or youll never be paid back
who knows, maybe one of your punters might win and youll get a tip
h2h
Back the favourite in 2-horse races.
Not many bets (62 since Feb 2003) but 80% strike rate and a 5% level stake profit at Industry SP.
Losing sequences of 1 (9 times) and 3 (once).
Winning sequences of 1 (3 times), 2 (once), 5 (three times), 8, 10 & 12 (all once).
As you can imagine the prices are a somewhat cramped!
Not many bets (62 since Feb 2003) but 80% strike rate and a 5% level stake profit at Industry SP.
Losing sequences of 1 (9 times) and 3 (once).
Winning sequences of 1 (3 times), 2 (once), 5 (three times), 8, 10 & 12 (all once).
As you can imagine the prices are a somewhat cramped!
Lay Tim Henman/Andy Murray/next big British thing to win the Grand Slams on Betfair.
unbeaten system so far. (!)
Henman used to go off 7`s ish for Wimbledon when he shoulda been 20`s. Murray seems like a fine player but his odds will be simply too short on here (nb. started fav. last year in OZ ahead of Federer in the betting) so I confidently predict future success for this.
unbeaten system so far. (!)
Henman used to go off 7`s ish for Wimbledon when he shoulda been 20`s. Murray seems like a fine player but his odds will be simply too short on here (nb. started fav. last year in OZ ahead of Federer in the betting) so I confidently predict future success for this.
Football .... lay England to win The World Cup .. last time you paid out was 1966 ...
farraflash .. see you joined Betfair 22 June 2002 .. About two weeks before zip . joined 6th July 2002 ...... and I have to say your system is unbaetable .
Haven't had the time to go through either but thought they looked interesting.
http://www.bettingsystemreviews.co.u...ory/top-rated/
http://www.horseracingman.com/catego...racingsystems/
http://www.bettingsystemreviews.co.u...ory/top-rated/
http://www.horseracingman.com/catego...racingsystems/
Politics .... lay the Liberals you will never pay out .. thats a smack in the face for that back the outsider of 3 nonsense /... trust me i am a nutcase ......
I use the Elliott Shirt system
Presumably that means you're making up a completely fictional story which you'll hoodwink a gullible reporter into getting printed in a third rate rag, then you'll go to ground when Betfair rats you out for a liar and the paper prints a remission?
Presumably that means you're making up a completely fictional story which you'll hoodwink a gullible reporter into getting printed in a third rate rag, then you'll go to ground when Betfair rats you out for a liar and the paper prints a remission?
Got a fair METHOD,cant find anybody to computerise it,getting really**ed off at people on here engaging me in dialogue then for some reason breaking off contact when i ask for a meet.
They seem to think ive got some sort of mickey mouse system,when in fact ive been working on it and improving it for 20 years.
They seem to think ive got some sort of mickey mouse system,when in fact ive been working on it and improving it for 20 years.
Maybe change your forum name, dreamer? Might sell your product quicker. ;)
Tightfisted,I AINT SELLING A PRODUCT!!!!COS I AINT GOT ONE TO SELL!!!,WHEN ITS COMPUTERISED THEN IT CAN BE USED,OR IN YOUR TERMS IT WILL BE A PRODUCT!!!, IT AINT FOR SALE,MY USE ONLY!!!.ineed someone to help me.fat chance of finding help on here!!!!.
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HD1 5AW
Date: 17 February 2010
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Sector:Leisure
Number of complaints:1
Complaint Ref:105372
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Brimardon Systems
14-15 Regent Parade
Harrogate
North Yorkshire
HD1 5AW
Date: 17 February 2010
Media:Press general
Sector:Leisure
Number of complaints:1
Complaint Ref:105372
Ad
A press ad in the Racing Post for a cover bet system stated in bold text
Pipe down! Anyway as an ex-programmer, I muight have helped but I remember you ignoring my offer a year or so ago, which was probably a blessing as I managed to computerise several of my systems in that time.
Here' s some advice... Share your knowledge and the world becomes more bountiful.
Here' s some advice... Share your knowledge and the world becomes more bountiful.
pipedreamer - you have not said whether your system is for horse racing or football etc etc
For anyone who wants to go pro - I think it can take a long time to find what system (if any) that you are comfortable with.
I have an article written by a long term gambler which quotes the passage from novice to confident in which the person goes up and down - at times thinking he has found 'the way' several times over!!!
It is only after being burnt several times he finds systems and gains the confidence to follow what he is ok with. I used to have a lot of success with the football cash generator and some savers on correct scores,(burnt and crashed several times) but have found the best to be dutching correct scores and doing a lot of matches but mainly ones I can watch with a view to trade. I am now looking back at a variation of the FSG - standby!!!!! However if you watch a lot of live footy you will see where there are many opportunities to trade.
all the best.
I have an article written by a long term gambler which quotes the passage from novice to confident in which the person goes up and down - at times thinking he has found 'the way' several times over!!!
It is only after being burnt several times he finds systems and gains the confidence to follow what he is ok with. I used to have a lot of success with the football cash generator and some savers on correct scores,(burnt and crashed several times) but have found the best to be dutching correct scores and doing a lot of matches but mainly ones I can watch with a view to trade. I am now looking back at a variation of the FSG - standby!!!!! However if you watch a lot of live footy you will see where there are many opportunities to trade.
all the best.
Hey Pipedreamer...
Drop me an email: nasalfluids at aol.com ( my spam address )
I've got my own Betfair API program which autobets Horses and dogs, maybe I can adapt it to your
system for mutual benefit.
Let me know on this thread if you've emailed me as I don't check that email address often.
Drop me an email: nasalfluids at aol.com ( my spam address )
I've got my own Betfair API program which autobets Horses and dogs, maybe I can adapt it to your
system for mutual benefit.
Let me know on this thread if you've emailed me as I don't check that email address often.
The Flatstats site promote a number of sytems based on their stats that seem to show a profit.
In reply to DFC IRONMAN,its for horseracing.Escapee i will e-mail after this post.My system is not stat based.
As for systems in general,they work for a while then fade.I turn everything into an equation.An equation works for a while [sometimes for a year or more]then fades out.you can have up to 100 equations fading in and out,the trick is to put them all together and find the clusters,obviously as you do them an elemination process comes in and your left with your top 3,with a rating down to 7th place.
It works well in big races,i.e.Irish National,top 4 giviing the exacta,also exacta in 6 in the Brittania,5 in the Hunt Cup,5 in American idols Cheltenham handicap etc.
Ihave to do it manually at the mo,which at 61 is tiring,and because of tiredness ive frustratingly ive made mistakes,and tiredness means that i cant do as much work meaning i find less equations.
My method is in a way related to the saying that finding winners is like looking for a needle in a haystack,true of course,but i do the equivalent and actually in a sense search the WHOLE haystack!!,a mammouth task in fact,but when you find it.WOW!!!!!.
As for systems in general,they work for a while then fade.I turn everything into an equation.An equation works for a while [sometimes for a year or more]then fades out.you can have up to 100 equations fading in and out,the trick is to put them all together and find the clusters,obviously as you do them an elemination process comes in and your left with your top 3,with a rating down to 7th place.
It works well in big races,i.e.Irish National,top 4 giviing the exacta,also exacta in 6 in the Brittania,5 in the Hunt Cup,5 in American idols Cheltenham handicap etc.
Ihave to do it manually at the mo,which at 61 is tiring,and because of tiredness ive frustratingly ive made mistakes,and tiredness means that i cant do as much work meaning i find less equations.
My method is in a way related to the saying that finding winners is like looking for a needle in a haystack,true of course,but i do the equivalent and actually in a sense search the WHOLE haystack!!,a mammouth task in fact,but when you find it.WOW!!!!!.
Not systems as such but an insight nevertheless as to how the Betfair markets evolve and become more efficient.
There was a time that a horse's price being shorter even momentarily on here than at the bookies would make it worth backing. This strategy started to struggle in around 2005, although the edge persisted longer at all weather tracks (unsurprisingly).
My first successful bot simply traded football pre-off using an algorithm that essentially kept the right side of the overround. It made 145k between Jan 06 and Nov 08. It hasn't made a penny since, mainly because people with team news move the market much more aggressively these days.
I also had a place market bot that was reasonably successful on Uk and Irish racing from Jan 06 until December 06, at which point it started losing nearly as quickly as it had won and I turned it off!
Curiously, other strategies that I run have seen virtually no degradation in profitability over time, although that, of course, may not last.
There was a time that a horse's price being shorter even momentarily on here than at the bookies would make it worth backing. This strategy started to struggle in around 2005, although the edge persisted longer at all weather tracks (unsurprisingly).
My first successful bot simply traded football pre-off using an algorithm that essentially kept the right side of the overround. It made 145k between Jan 06 and Nov 08. It hasn't made a penny since, mainly because people with team news move the market much more aggressively these days.
I also had a place market bot that was reasonably successful on Uk and Irish racing from Jan 06 until December 06, at which point it started losing nearly as quickly as it had won and I turned it off!
Curiously, other strategies that I run have seen virtually no degradation in profitability over time, although that, of course, may not last.
I'm not a believer of systems but i did notice a pattern at a certain American track and started to follow it last year,some will obviously find this hard to believe but it lost it's 100% record last week but has returned to winning ways since.
pipedreamer - You say "equations" .....do you mean you allocate points to each horse for each factor you believe is relevant for that particular race ....at that particular distance.....in that class of race .....on the specific going etc?
You may well allocate points for -
1. RACE RECORD positions over last few races .
2. Whether a horse has been a C/CD/D/BF etc.
3. Trainer- general.
4. Trainer - specific points for that race type etc.
5.Weight.
etc etc
Naturally i have not mentioned other FACTORS that are relevant.......but you presumably believe they are ....and allocate points for them too.
It is possible to -
1. Download all the races for a day.
2. Input them automatically into computer system.
3. The system will automatically allocate points in accordance with EACH factor that can be done without your subjective input .
You then have to tick specific boxes for each factor which needs your input........COMBINATION factor etc etc
4. The system will then automatically add up all points for each horse, then show horses in rated order.
Is that what you are looking for ?
You may well allocate points for -
1. RACE RECORD positions over last few races .
2. Whether a horse has been a C/CD/D/BF etc.
3. Trainer- general.
4. Trainer - specific points for that race type etc.
5.Weight.
etc etc
Naturally i have not mentioned other FACTORS that are relevant.......but you presumably believe they are ....and allocate points for them too.
It is possible to -
1. Download all the races for a day.
2. Input them automatically into computer system.
3. The system will automatically allocate points in accordance with EACH factor that can be done without your subjective input .
You then have to tick specific boxes for each factor which needs your input........COMBINATION factor etc etc
4. The system will then automatically add up all points for each horse, then show horses in rated order.
Is that what you are looking for ?
DFC to answer your question,i would rather reply via your e-mail as its a bit sensitive.[see other post].Let me know if your comfortable with this.Once again thank you DFC for your replies.
Tightfist .. dont call me zip will call you ...... know what i mean .......
I got one.
Course I been drinking.
So I am only going to tell you if you want to know!
Knowledge is power!!
Course I been drinking.
So I am only going to tell you if you want to know!
Knowledge is power!!
aye robot 28 Feb 17:21
I use the Elliott Shirt system
Presumably that means you're making up a completely fictional story which you'll hoodwink a gullible reporter into getting printed in a third rate rag, then you'll go to ground when Betfair rats you out for a liar and the paper prints a remission
no flies on you robot ;)
I use the Elliott Shirt system
Presumably that means you're making up a completely fictional story which you'll hoodwink a gullible reporter into getting printed in a third rate rag, then you'll go to ground when Betfair rats you out for a liar and the paper prints a remission
no flies on you robot ;)
What is the Brimardon System?
The Brimardon horse racing system is a computer program that accurately predicts the results of horse races in the UK run on the Flat and over jumps.
We have 25 years experience of writing software to find horse racing winners. Brimardon has stood the test of time and always been ahead of its time.
The Brimardon System looks at the form of the whole career of every horse in the race. It assesses hundreds of variables about each horse, both positive and negative, which are then given values that add up to produce a rating for that race. Comparing ratings for all the horses in a race shows the likely winner and possible dangers. The rating for each horse is for one day only. The next time the horse runs the racing conditions will be different and many of the variables will have changed. The horse racing software then will then produce a new rating for each horse.
The very best races of the day are on the System as PRO races. From analysis of our past results we know the type of races and courses where we are best at finding the winners. On average there will only be 1-2 of these races a day.
Ratings for the rest of the days races are also on the System.
You can either purchase a licence to run the software or phone the office for the day's best selections or do both.
The latest version of the software is FULLY AUTOMATIC. IT ONLY TAKES A MINUTE A DAY.
Set you odds. Set your stake. Walk away and let the computer spend the next 7 or 8 hours monitoring the Betfair "betting exchange" website on the internet. It will place your bets automatically without you having to be anywhere near your computer. All you have to do is check for the winners.
If you have more interest and knowledge you can assume various levels of control over the software to make your own decisions about which of the horses selected by the System to back.
But many of our customers say "Why bother when the System will do everything for me?"
from our website
The Brimardon horse racing system is a computer program that accurately predicts the results of horse races in the UK run on the Flat and over jumps.
We have 25 years experience of writing software to find horse racing winners. Brimardon has stood the test of time and always been ahead of its time.
The Brimardon System looks at the form of the whole career of every horse in the race. It assesses hundreds of variables about each horse, both positive and negative, which are then given values that add up to produce a rating for that race. Comparing ratings for all the horses in a race shows the likely winner and possible dangers. The rating for each horse is for one day only. The next time the horse runs the racing conditions will be different and many of the variables will have changed. The horse racing software then will then produce a new rating for each horse.
The very best races of the day are on the System as PRO races. From analysis of our past results we know the type of races and courses where we are best at finding the winners. On average there will only be 1-2 of these races a day.
Ratings for the rest of the days races are also on the System.
You can either purchase a licence to run the software or phone the office for the day's best selections or do both.
The latest version of the software is FULLY AUTOMATIC. IT ONLY TAKES A MINUTE A DAY.
Set you odds. Set your stake. Walk away and let the computer spend the next 7 or 8 hours monitoring the Betfair "betting exchange" website on the internet. It will place your bets automatically without you having to be anywhere near your computer. All you have to do is check for the winners.
If you have more interest and knowledge you can assume various levels of control over the software to make your own decisions about which of the horses selected by the System to back.
But many of our customers say "Why bother when the System will do everything for me?"
from our website
PD - would never post my e-mail address on here.........trust you appreciate this.
Surely you can indicate whether my above post is on right track or not.....Can't see how it could vary too much from what I've posted. You don't have to mention specific factors ......
Surely you can indicate whether my above post is on right track or not.....Can't see how it could vary too much from what I've posted. You don't have to mention specific factors ......
Cripes Ironman,how do i put this,its not form,thats why i get SOME very large priced winners.
Some people know what i'm referring to,probably the ones that shorten up some of my outsiders,far to many have been springers for it to be coincidence.I've been trying to locate them on this forum,no luck so far.
Do you know of any Mathematical programs that can bounce around numbers,numbers,in the form of an an equation that i have arrived at for each horse in a specific race?.
Pity theres no way of communicating off site.
Some people know what i'm referring to,probably the ones that shorten up some of my outsiders,far to many have been springers for it to be coincidence.I've been trying to locate them on this forum,no luck so far.
Do you know of any Mathematical programs that can bounce around numbers,numbers,in the form of an an equation that i have arrived at for each horse in a specific race?.
Pity theres no way of communicating off site.
Are you using race card record as shown in say SPORTING LIFE format for each race ?
There are many FACTORS that are not FORM there ............but they can be rated.....though you are being pretty vague re the equations for each horse !
There are many FACTORS that are not FORM there ............but they can be rated.....though you are being pretty vague re the equations for each horse !
All stats based systems have short lives cos the market catches on very quickly.
A system for horse racing has to be BASED on stats mainly ....plus other factors as well........but still MUST be based on stats.......
The other factors as well .......mostly everyone is ignorant of such factors IMO.
The other factors as well .......mostly everyone is ignorant of such factors IMO.
DFCIRONMAN 04 Mar 22:59
A system for horse racing has to be BASED on stats mainly ....plus other factors as well........but still MUST be based on stats.......
The other factors as well .......mostly everyone is ignorant of such factors IMO.
stats alone arnt worth a monkeys,
stats with facts is worth a fortune.
A system for horse racing has to be BASED on stats mainly ....plus other factors as well........but still MUST be based on stats.......
The other factors as well .......mostly everyone is ignorant of such factors IMO.
stats alone arnt worth a monkeys,
stats with facts is worth a fortune.
sophiep,stats with facts,which sort of facts specifically please.
give every one a good fckn laugh BRIMARDON tell em how much your system costs.
lets have a laugh then prices from £999, how much do you think we should charge ? how much would you pay for the profit advertised
£5 a month
£5 a month
If it works well and consistently makes profit for clients then so what about how much this system costs. Too many people want things for free or at little to no cost - I find this in my business and it really is a shame.
Stats are what happened in the past ... they have no meaning in the future .
Heres a stat 3 years ago the bank rate was at an alll time high .. today its on its srse ....... hows that for stats ........zipper .
Don't take Zipper seriously.
He uses statistics every time he places a bet.
Question for zipper
Horses A and B have met 4 times
Horse A over the distance of 1200 mts has beaten horse B twice.
Horse B over the distance of 1800 mts has beaten horse A twice
Todays race is over 2000 mts All other things being equal who are you going to back to win?
Zippers comments in other posts are littered with statistics. E.G ~
Great White take a look at the naps table Top Two 32 and 26 winners between em = 58 ...... AK 66 winners bottom guy Morning Star 15 winners . tells you all you need to know
Statistical data may not tell you for certain which horse is going to win but you can
gain an edge if due consideration is given to the data and applied to future events.
He uses statistics every time he places a bet.
Question for zipper
Horses A and B have met 4 times
Horse A over the distance of 1200 mts has beaten horse B twice.
Horse B over the distance of 1800 mts has beaten horse A twice
Todays race is over 2000 mts All other things being equal who are you going to back to win?
Zippers comments in other posts are littered with statistics. E.G ~
Great White take a look at the naps table Top Two 32 and 26 winners between em = 58 ...... AK 66 winners bottom guy Morning Star 15 winners . tells you all you need to know
Statistical data may not tell you for certain which horse is going to win but you can
gain an edge if due consideration is given to the data and applied to future events.
Dfcironman .. No medication is allowed in my house before 4.00 pm ..
Compound .. i would back B and lay A ... why its 2 ..2 ....... but B has won over further .. remember 1800.. now this A may be a short runner .. very few horses can go more than 2 furlongs more the they are bred for ... by the way what price would you lay me .. horse B ......
Compound .. i would back B and lay A ... why its 2 ..2 ....... but B has won over further .. remember 1800.. now this A may be a short runner .. very few horses can go more than 2 furlongs more the they are bred for ... by the way what price would you lay me .. horse B ......
So zipper you used statistical data to back Horse B and lay horse A
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
WD zipper ...few will ever admit they were "blethering" ]:) :D
Dfcironman .. want a laugh .. The Wife God bless her gave me the nick name Zipper .. she oftern said Zip it ..... big mouth ... Hence zipper ... She is known to me as ... Code Red Sue .. but thats another story .....
DFCIRONMAN, just realised you are a Scot. That explains everything.
kenilworth - if you only just realised that ....then you are pretty dim!
Kenilworth .. leave DFC alone some of my best friends are Scots
The best systems are ones you develop yourself or develop from others systems. If it dosn't work then you can't blame someone else, take responsibility and profits!
There is a free system posted with all the rules and results for 2009 here http://www.onlineoffersforyou.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=51
From 136 bets to 1 point Level Stakes it made 92 points profit at BetfairSP -5%
From 136 bets to 1 point Level Stakes it made 92 points profit at BetfairSP -5%
Classic backfitting - find a jockey with a LSP for a year aready then strip out some categories to bump up the 'profit' even more
Surprisingly in this case it woud have served ok in 3 out of 5 of the previous years as well, but surely thats by chance. If it was a genuine attempt at a valid system that woud have been mentioned by the advertiser.
Surprisingly in this case it woud have served ok in 3 out of 5 of the previous years as well, but surely thats by chance. If it was a genuine attempt at a valid system that woud have been mentioned by the advertiser.
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