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I'm doing this more for my selfdiscipline than to prove something to the forum. I'll be using a bot to place my bets. They will all be blind lays of the spotlight selections. No chasing allowed. The staking plan will come with a bit of twist:
Bank 200 units
Refinancing after every day with no exceptions, i.e. I'm up 1 unit for the day, this 1 unit will be devided by 200 so the bank for the next day will be 200 again. If I'm down I will also refinance.
'Total growth' will indicate what the total growth from the starting point of the thread is.
Parameters will be placing the bet 1 minute before the off, price range 2 to 10, laying for 1 unit plus comission. The report in the end of the day will be adjusted, so that only real growth/loss is accounted for.
To all the haters that love these kinds of threads, yes I am a mug punter or whatever it is called for simply following this idea with having close to no clue about horse racing. Sue me for it.
Bank 200 units
Refinancing after every day with no exceptions, i.e. I'm up 1 unit for the day, this 1 unit will be devided by 200 so the bank for the next day will be 200 again. If I'm down I will also refinance.
'Total growth' will indicate what the total growth from the starting point of the thread is.
Parameters will be placing the bet 1 minute before the off, price range 2 to 10, laying for 1 unit plus comission. The report in the end of the day will be adjusted, so that only real growth/loss is accounted for.
To all the haters that love these kinds of threads, yes I am a mug punter or whatever it is called for simply following this idea with having close to no clue about horse racing. Sue me for it.
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Kef4o .. why pick on spot light .. in that post selection box each day there are 15 / 16 tipsters ...... and there all has bad as each other over a say a year .. it all comes down to form .. you got to ask yourself this .. can the nag win if yes back it .. can the nag lose . if yes so lay it . If you have no real opinion stay out . It dont matter ( how many ) picked the nag ... or who did not pick the nag (how few ).... Have a sound grip of the form book and you will beat them tipsters out of sight .... ZIP.
Fair enough, zip. I may not have the best value out of my idea. But this needs some time. I'll give it revision in September, and if I'm not happy, I'll com back to the begining, and look for the best**tail of tweaks. I think you'd agree that it's fairly early to jump into conlusions.
Kef4o Now dont take this wrong ... It may be fairly early for you .. But old zipper has stats going back years on this sort of thing .. And i will tell you for free ..... It dont work .. Only telling you that cause you come over as a Mr nice guy .. take it or leave it ... dont matter to me ..
lol - telling zipper where to get off!
Incidentally - I started by looking at Spottie and RPR etc. years ago.
I couldn't find a prophet backing or laying - DUMPED.
Incidentally - I started by looking at Spottie and RPR etc. years ago.
I couldn't find a prophet backing or laying - DUMPED.
Kef40 - dont be put off by negative comments - Zipper has made exactly the same comments on Union Jacks thread about laying Alan Keytes naps and that is nicely in profit. And he also doesnt bother reading the thread properly as you have stated that you dont want a process based on your own opinion as to whether the horse may win or lose. His comments are totally unhelpful.
well said maven , the comments most unhelpful I would imagine are the ones trying to ram the form book down your throat when you've already stated numerous times it's something you're not remotely interested in , I can relate to that myself as i've spent a lifetime in the industry but have certainly read my last form book 2 years ago.
best of luck and long live systematically driven punting.
best of luck and long live systematically driven punting.
It was high time things went up!
Losers for the day:
Beauchamp Viceroy@1.58
Diamond laura@2.04
Mahiki@2.88
Swiss art@1.86
George thisby@2.4
14/19 winners
Units won: 4.62
Starting bank: 119.46
Current bank: 122.56
Total growth: 2.6%
Back on track, that's an average one unit per day. 883 days to go. :)
Losers for the day:
Beauchamp Viceroy@1.58
Diamond laura@2.04
Mahiki@2.88
Swiss art@1.86
George thisby@2.4
14/19 winners
Units won: 4.62
Starting bank: 119.46
Current bank: 122.56
Total growth: 2.6%
Back on track, that's an average one unit per day. 883 days to go. :)
Guys, I kinda got used to the fact that I'll have to repeat the same stuff over and over again. Zipper just expressed an opinion based on his experience(I hope at least). He said he just wants to share it and not force it, and that can't be bad.
Good stuff in this fred, voices of experience are well worth listening to.
The only thing the form book and the stats can't tell you is whether a particular horse/team/player is going out with the intention of winning, or at least doing their best. The only clue you might get is late/sudden market moves in the run-up to the off. Steamers lose, drifters win... the skill is reading the markets trying to detect the fake moves.
Following a tipster blindly backing or laying takes all of the above out of the equation, and I see no harm in that. If it works, good luck!.
The only thing the form book and the stats can't tell you is whether a particular horse/team/player is going out with the intention of winning, or at least doing their best. The only clue you might get is late/sudden market moves in the run-up to the off. Steamers lose, drifters win... the skill is reading the markets trying to detect the fake moves.
Following a tipster blindly backing or laying takes all of the above out of the equation, and I see no harm in that. If it works, good luck!.
how would you detect a fake move john ????
could you give me an example please ?
could you give me an example please ?
sorry GB, I wouldn't be able to see a fake move if it bit me on the arsenal. Maybe I worded it wrongly calling it a 'fake' move, but I guess you know where I'm coming from.
Anyone that believes stats ain't useful .....is someone who basically does not note anything from stats........I am referring to horse racing.....!!!!
However, the creator of thread has stated they don't want to use form etc...........so I agree with zipper that laying systematically a tipsters horses without any appraisal of the selection is just like playing Russian roulette with all bullets in chamber!
If you can apply some filters to selections, then you have a chance to make it pay ....otherwise I suspect you will not make much progress betting this way.
GL with bets.
However, the creator of thread has stated they don't want to use form etc...........so I agree with zipper that laying systematically a tipsters horses without any appraisal of the selection is just like playing Russian roulette with all bullets in chamber!
If you can apply some filters to selections, then you have a chance to make it pay ....otherwise I suspect you will not make much progress betting this way.
GL with bets.
http://www.besttipping.com**tipcheck/?action=allcompare
^^^historical trend. Also, chack Alpha centauri's reply, reflecting real conditions without PC.
kef4o 06 Jul 01:53
Laying spotlight is not the way long term.You are going against yourself some of what you say as you are using the history of what spotlights results have shown you.
It is not as straightforward as that. The spotlight is not a system. It's people. Furthermore, it's people who know their racing, and watch more races per week than I'll watch sports in the next 10 years(probably). They should be profitable punters themselves. They look in a race from more than one point of view, and create a complicated opinion. Yet, they have so far underrformed. Why? Because they bet on every race, thus losing their edge in the process. All I do is take advantage of that. So while I'm drawing conclusions from their history as to what my reasonable expections should be it is not the only reason why I have chosen to lay them. Also, the Spotlight does tend to be overbet imo, which from a layer's perspective is a good thing and increases value.
^This is my complicated explanation for my method.
^^^historical trend. Also, chack Alpha centauri's reply, reflecting real conditions without PC.
kef4o 06 Jul 01:53
Laying spotlight is not the way long term.You are going against yourself some of what you say as you are using the history of what spotlights results have shown you.
It is not as straightforward as that. The spotlight is not a system. It's people. Furthermore, it's people who know their racing, and watch more races per week than I'll watch sports in the next 10 years(probably). They should be profitable punters themselves. They look in a race from more than one point of view, and create a complicated opinion. Yet, they have so far underrformed. Why? Because they bet on every race, thus losing their edge in the process. All I do is take advantage of that. So while I'm drawing conclusions from their history as to what my reasonable expections should be it is not the only reason why I have chosen to lay them. Also, the Spotlight does tend to be overbet imo, which from a layer's perspective is a good thing and increases value.
^This is my complicated explanation for my method.
Spotlight's tips are free, and they are bound to be -EV. Why? Well, imagine if the Spotlight's tips were +EV. The most popular tip on every single race to be +EV. Bookies wouldn't exist, or would adjust so that the prices of the horses were so low that the tips become -EV again. I'm not laying at the bookies' prices but then again, the Spotlight isn't winning at exchange prices either.
^^^Let's call this 'reality check'.
^^^Let's call this 'reality check'.
Probably some confusion and cross purposes of where we're all coming from here tbh , whilst I admit to being a systematic gambler for the last couple of years I have never given any thought to laying an individual tipster until reading this and the AK thread , wouldn't have a view on whether it will work long term or not tbh but there are systems out there that simply aren't russian roulette and infinitely more profitable long term than trusting any form book and all the imponderables that go with it.
My statement of "statistics don't give answers only raise questions" I stand by to a large degree and admit to using stats as a starting point in my research but with the inevitability of changes along the way.
That's my input exhausted on the subject I feel , best of luck to all and if you haven't found all the answers yet I sincerely hope you do.
My statement of "statistics don't give answers only raise questions" I stand by to a large degree and admit to using stats as a starting point in my research but with the inevitability of changes along the way.
That's my input exhausted on the subject I feel , best of luck to all and if you haven't found all the answers yet I sincerely hope you do.
DFC, hope all is well.
The point I am trying to make is that form reading is essential in making a decision when parting with your hard earned. BUT...IF a horse/team etc.. have no intention of winning whatsoever, the form book is out of the window. How do you sort out the wheat from the chaff?... not easy.
The point I am trying to make is that form reading is essential in making a decision when parting with your hard earned. BUT...IF a horse/team etc.. have no intention of winning whatsoever, the form book is out of the window. How do you sort out the wheat from the chaff?... not easy.
Kef4o, pleased you got your profit today and also that you are upbeat again.
The 'initials' of the relevant tipster I got from the Racing Post website which used to print their summary of the race with the initials shown in brackets at the end. i.e. identical to the printed RP.
I tried today but have not used their site in months and fogotten password so couldn't check.
I believe the printed version now carries the full name rather than just initials.
I tried today with 'my filter' (each just for £ 2 liability) and it was profitable but had forgotten how time-consuming it was. Perhaps that's why I stopped as I had other projects on the go at the time.
Good luck.
The 'initials' of the relevant tipster I got from the Racing Post website which used to print their summary of the race with the initials shown in brackets at the end. i.e. identical to the printed RP.
I tried today but have not used their site in months and fogotten password so couldn't check.
I believe the printed version now carries the full name rather than just initials.
I tried today with 'my filter' (each just for £ 2 liability) and it was profitable but had forgotten how time-consuming it was. Perhaps that's why I stopped as I had other projects on the go at the time.
Good luck.
OK, I'll finally express a theoretical opinion on form in horse racing even though I know fcuk all about it.
It sucks. I has always sucked, it will always suck. It is as good, as a polyesther bag when it's slighty ripped and you're trying to carry your groceries in it. And again, I'll explain it from a human point of view.
I followed a link to paddy's, clicked on horse racing, and what did I find? A well presented platform to lure bets from people.
The races are neatly ordered by time and location so that a punter would easily identify the race he wants to bet on.
There is a form and TV icon next to the name of every venue. Again, the TV makes it more attractive to the punter, he can see for himself how the race is run, bigger chance that he'll bet.
But the form is by far the biggest hook there. I mean it stands there so that clueless people like me can make an opinion about the race. Bookies give all that information for free. Why not, after all it doesn't represent any edge whatsoever. Otherwise it would have been like the SIS. Only a few persons would have access to it. Form doesn't really say what will really happen when those horses start running.
But it does give an indication who the favourite in the race is going to be. I'd bet anybody that if they give me the form card for a race next week, provided the jockeys, and yards don't have any more runners upto that race, I'll be able to tell you who the favourite will be. And that's because I know how people think, when trying to predict the possbile outcome of an event.
But no stats can predict and explain why Hull beat Arsenal at the Emirates last year. Or why Man Utd were useless in the CL final. Or why are Liverpool without a laegue title since about when I was born. Or why the Cavs**ed their chance to be champions. Or why couldn't Roddick win that 2nd(?) set after having a lead of 6-2 in the TB. Or why that horse jumped awkwardly and lost after leading with like 20 lenghts in the final furlong, and is now a synonym for a massive upset(I'm poor with remembering names).
Waiting to get some stick for this one.
It sucks. I has always sucked, it will always suck. It is as good, as a polyesther bag when it's slighty ripped and you're trying to carry your groceries in it. And again, I'll explain it from a human point of view.
I followed a link to paddy's, clicked on horse racing, and what did I find? A well presented platform to lure bets from people.
The races are neatly ordered by time and location so that a punter would easily identify the race he wants to bet on.
There is a form and TV icon next to the name of every venue. Again, the TV makes it more attractive to the punter, he can see for himself how the race is run, bigger chance that he'll bet.
But the form is by far the biggest hook there. I mean it stands there so that clueless people like me can make an opinion about the race. Bookies give all that information for free. Why not, after all it doesn't represent any edge whatsoever. Otherwise it would have been like the SIS. Only a few persons would have access to it. Form doesn't really say what will really happen when those horses start running.
But it does give an indication who the favourite in the race is going to be. I'd bet anybody that if they give me the form card for a race next week, provided the jockeys, and yards don't have any more runners upto that race, I'll be able to tell you who the favourite will be. And that's because I know how people think, when trying to predict the possbile outcome of an event.
But no stats can predict and explain why Hull beat Arsenal at the Emirates last year. Or why Man Utd were useless in the CL final. Or why are Liverpool without a laegue title since about when I was born. Or why the Cavs**ed their chance to be champions. Or why couldn't Roddick win that 2nd(?) set after having a lead of 6-2 in the TB. Or why that horse jumped awkwardly and lost after leading with like 20 lenghts in the final furlong, and is now a synonym for a massive upset(I'm poor with remembering names).
Waiting to get some stick for this one.
I can't take notes about separate tipsters right now, Roger but will do in the future. I'd be glad if I brought you back to a winning method.
Note to self: If I ever get that drunk so that I start talking about my gambling habits with a chick, I won't score.
Good Morning Men and Ladies . just read your post .. some very interesting points But just i imagine this The Big Three Marker makers Hills Coral Laddies .. instructed their experts today .. Ok forget form .. put up your tissue on how many naps in the RP naps table and take note of the sel box ..just them 2 factors only ... the market would be a shambles in one day .
But it does give an indication who the favourite in the race is going to be.
kef4o 07 Jul 23:01
OK, I'll finally express a theoretical opinion on form in horse racing even though I know fcuk all about it.
It sucks. I has always sucked, it will always suck. It is as good, as a polyesther bag when it's slighty ripped and you're trying to carry your groceries in it. And again, I'll explain it from a human point of view.
I followed a link to paddy's, clicked on horse racing, and what did I find? A well presented platform to lure bets from people.
The races are neatly ordered by time and location so that a punter would easily identify the race he wants to bet on.
There is a form and TV icon next to the name of every venue. Again, the TV makes it more attractive to the punter, he can see for himself how the race is run, bigger chance that he'll bet.
But the form is by far the biggest hook there. I mean it stands there so that clueless people like me can make an opinion about the race. Bookies give all that information for free. Why not, after all it doesn't represent any edge whatsoever. Otherwise it would have been like the SIS. Only a few persons would have access to it. Form doesn't really say what will really happen when those horses start running.
But it does give an indication who the favourite in the race is going to be. I'd bet anybody that if they give me the form card for a race next week, provided the jockeys, and yards don't have any more runners upto that race, I'll be able to tell you who the favourite will be. And that's because I know how people think, when trying to predict the possbile outcome of an event.
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kef4o - I was not having a go at you , but was having a go at the criticism of those who believe stats are irrelevant etc.
However, as from the comments you have in bold above, you are in that camp.......well certainly after a few drinks you are anyway.........:D....so all I can do is indicate that stats are an important part in weighing up a race....
Take the 5.00 race yesterday where the result was -
Pontefract 17:00 - Result
John Lofthouse 50th Birthday Celebration Maiden Stakes
£5000 added, 3yo plus, 1m 4f 8y, Class 5, £3238 penalty, 6 ran
Going: Good to Soft
Winning Time Winning Time: 2m 41.92s
Pos. Dr. Dist. Horse Wt Jockey Trainer Age SP
1 2 Times Up 8-13 E Ahern J L Dunlop 3 5/2
led, headed over 5f out, led again 2f out, ridden clear touched 11/4 £1250-£500
2 1 7 Gibb River (IRE) 8-13 J Fortune P W Chapple-Hyam 3 6/5 f
tracked leader, led over 5f out, ridden and headed 2f out, soon outpaced by winner opened 6/4 £1200-£800 £600-£400 £1100-£800 (x5) £550-£400 (x3) £1000-£800 (x4) £750-£600 (x2) £500-£400 (x4)
3 6 1½ Alqaffay (IRE) 9-12 R Hills J H M Gosden 4 5/2
close up, ridden to chase winner entering final 2f, outpaced approaching final furlong opened 2/1 £2000-£800 £2250-£1000
4 4 23 Transporter (IRE) 8-13 D Allan T D Easterby 3 100/1
keen, held up, ridden over 4f out, outpaced final 3f
5 3 1¾ Watchoverme 8-8 J P Spencer J R Fanshawe 3 20/1
held up, ridden and outpaced final 3f opened 16/1 touched 25/1
6 5 15 Masking Baldini (IRE) 9-12 S De Sousa J Hetherton 5 250/1
in rear, ridden over 4f out, outpaced by leading trio 3f out opened 150/1
Tote Win: £3.10 Tote Place: £1.70,£1.40
Straight Forecast: £5.51 Exacta: £5.90
Swingers:1&2:£1.10, 2&3:£1.10, 1&3:£1.50
If you just looked at the bare race record of the favourite......it had ran far more times than the horse that won............and had failed to win a race! now how complicated is that "information" !
The horse that won had a fairly strong record over 4 races .....and been 2nd a few times.
Both had fitness advantage over the other 3 year old horses in race..........and both horses were not "cheap" purchases.
The chances were the favourite would be beaten by TIMES UP, as the winner was relatively unexposed compared to the favourite ( now this happens regularly, and is not unusual, so the example is appropriate ). The favourite had had numerous chances and failed to win.....so why should it win that race ??????
OK - the only other danger was the expensive purchase Alqaffay............but this was a 4 year old horse carrying extra weight ......and the going was Good to Soft.......therefore the circumstances of race made it unlikely it would win.......IMO it could have grabbed 2nd .......but was not given a hard ride......
So how difficult was that race to weigh up on "form"??????
If a punter gets it wrong on such a race, then it is because they don't understand stats, nor importance of all the conditions of a race.........................don't blame the stats for their ignorance....just blame their ignorance !
I agree with much of what you say re how difficult it can be for other more complicated races for a punter to take it all in etc However, again it is only down to the punter not being capable of weighing up more complicated races.....where the information is there , but they can't "see" it etc
Punters are blinded by hype.....so they back favourites often.........but if they were capable of understanding more, or took the time to study a race in more detail ( if they know what to look for etc ), then they would be better in discerning which favourites, at the odds, are more a lay than a back.
So when you say - " Form doesn't really say what will really happen when those horses start running "...............generally you are just well wrong. I think you should state PUNTERS , who have not studied stats etc, don't know what really happen when horses start running!!!!!!
The ones who have studied the stats etc will have a better idea than those that don't ! ]:)
There were numerous occasions yesterday , and every day, when knowledge of stats helps to indicate horses that may do well due to conditions of race at the time of year etc. Of course you won't get it "right" every race, but if you do select horses at value odds, in long term you should do ok
All what you said re football has nothing to do with horse racing. ......though stats have their place there too........but I prefer the more complicated area of horse racing, where higher odds can be obtained if you know what you are doing!!!!!!
So I know that filtering your selections will improve your results.........IF you know what filters to apply.............and if you don't apply any, well IMO , as stated above, I suspect that you will be treading water re blindly laying spotlight selections.
zipper is one of better, more knowledgeable guys on here, so don't lay his nap selections in YOUR COMPETITION forum ( DIVISION 1), as he has a positive tally at SP odds for this year SO FAR .........and I agree with his general comments, done in a helpful way, re - blindly laying the spotlight selections in long term won't produce much profit...if any...WITHOUT FILTERING SELECTIONS ETC.
GL with bets anyway ........
OK, I'll finally express a theoretical opinion on form in horse racing even though I know fcuk all about it.
It sucks. I has always sucked, it will always suck. It is as good, as a polyesther bag when it's slighty ripped and you're trying to carry your groceries in it. And again, I'll explain it from a human point of view.
I followed a link to paddy's, clicked on horse racing, and what did I find? A well presented platform to lure bets from people.
The races are neatly ordered by time and location so that a punter would easily identify the race he wants to bet on.
There is a form and TV icon next to the name of every venue. Again, the TV makes it more attractive to the punter, he can see for himself how the race is run, bigger chance that he'll bet.
But the form is by far the biggest hook there. I mean it stands there so that clueless people like me can make an opinion about the race. Bookies give all that information for free. Why not, after all it doesn't represent any edge whatsoever. Otherwise it would have been like the SIS. Only a few persons would have access to it. Form doesn't really say what will really happen when those horses start running.
But it does give an indication who the favourite in the race is going to be. I'd bet anybody that if they give me the form card for a race next week, provided the jockeys, and yards don't have any more runners upto that race, I'll be able to tell you who the favourite will be. And that's because I know how people think, when trying to predict the possbile outcome of an event.
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kef4o - I was not having a go at you , but was having a go at the criticism of those who believe stats are irrelevant etc.
However, as from the comments you have in bold above, you are in that camp.......well certainly after a few drinks you are anyway.........:D....so all I can do is indicate that stats are an important part in weighing up a race....
Take the 5.00 race yesterday where the result was -
Pontefract 17:00 - Result
John Lofthouse 50th Birthday Celebration Maiden Stakes
£5000 added, 3yo plus, 1m 4f 8y, Class 5, £3238 penalty, 6 ran
Going: Good to Soft
Winning Time Winning Time: 2m 41.92s
Pos. Dr. Dist. Horse Wt Jockey Trainer Age SP
1 2 Times Up 8-13 E Ahern J L Dunlop 3 5/2
led, headed over 5f out, led again 2f out, ridden clear touched 11/4 £1250-£500
2 1 7 Gibb River (IRE) 8-13 J Fortune P W Chapple-Hyam 3 6/5 f
tracked leader, led over 5f out, ridden and headed 2f out, soon outpaced by winner opened 6/4 £1200-£800 £600-£400 £1100-£800 (x5) £550-£400 (x3) £1000-£800 (x4) £750-£600 (x2) £500-£400 (x4)
3 6 1½ Alqaffay (IRE) 9-12 R Hills J H M Gosden 4 5/2
close up, ridden to chase winner entering final 2f, outpaced approaching final furlong opened 2/1 £2000-£800 £2250-£1000
4 4 23 Transporter (IRE) 8-13 D Allan T D Easterby 3 100/1
keen, held up, ridden over 4f out, outpaced final 3f
5 3 1¾ Watchoverme 8-8 J P Spencer J R Fanshawe 3 20/1
held up, ridden and outpaced final 3f opened 16/1 touched 25/1
6 5 15 Masking Baldini (IRE) 9-12 S De Sousa J Hetherton 5 250/1
in rear, ridden over 4f out, outpaced by leading trio 3f out opened 150/1
Tote Win: £3.10 Tote Place: £1.70,£1.40
Straight Forecast: £5.51 Exacta: £5.90
Swingers:1&2:£1.10, 2&3:£1.10, 1&3:£1.50
If you just looked at the bare race record of the favourite......it had ran far more times than the horse that won............and had failed to win a race! now how complicated is that "information" !
The horse that won had a fairly strong record over 4 races .....and been 2nd a few times.
Both had fitness advantage over the other 3 year old horses in race..........and both horses were not "cheap" purchases.
The chances were the favourite would be beaten by TIMES UP, as the winner was relatively unexposed compared to the favourite ( now this happens regularly, and is not unusual, so the example is appropriate ). The favourite had had numerous chances and failed to win.....so why should it win that race ??????
OK - the only other danger was the expensive purchase Alqaffay............but this was a 4 year old horse carrying extra weight ......and the going was Good to Soft.......therefore the circumstances of race made it unlikely it would win.......IMO it could have grabbed 2nd .......but was not given a hard ride......
So how difficult was that race to weigh up on "form"??????
If a punter gets it wrong on such a race, then it is because they don't understand stats, nor importance of all the conditions of a race.........................don't blame the stats for their ignorance....just blame their ignorance !
I agree with much of what you say re how difficult it can be for other more complicated races for a punter to take it all in etc However, again it is only down to the punter not being capable of weighing up more complicated races.....where the information is there , but they can't "see" it etc
Punters are blinded by hype.....so they back favourites often.........but if they were capable of understanding more, or took the time to study a race in more detail ( if they know what to look for etc ), then they would be better in discerning which favourites, at the odds, are more a lay than a back.
So when you say - " Form doesn't really say what will really happen when those horses start running "...............generally you are just well wrong. I think you should state PUNTERS , who have not studied stats etc, don't know what really happen when horses start running!!!!!!
The ones who have studied the stats etc will have a better idea than those that don't ! ]:)
There were numerous occasions yesterday , and every day, when knowledge of stats helps to indicate horses that may do well due to conditions of race at the time of year etc. Of course you won't get it "right" every race, but if you do select horses at value odds, in long term you should do ok
All what you said re football has nothing to do with horse racing. ......though stats have their place there too........but I prefer the more complicated area of horse racing, where higher odds can be obtained if you know what you are doing!!!!!!
So I know that filtering your selections will improve your results.........IF you know what filters to apply.............and if you don't apply any, well IMO , as stated above, I suspect that you will be treading water re blindly laying spotlight selections.
zipper is one of better, more knowledgeable guys on here, so don't lay his nap selections in YOUR COMPETITION forum ( DIVISION 1), as he has a positive tally at SP odds for this year SO FAR .........and I agree with his general comments, done in a helpful way, re - blindly laying the spotlight selections in long term won't produce much profit...if any...WITHOUT FILTERING SELECTIONS ETC.
GL with bets anyway ........
Pos.Tipster........................2009 Total..Jun.....May.....Apr.....Mar.....Feb.....Jan.....
1...Far From Trouble...............54.63.......-22.00..05.16...47.81...31.25...-03.33..-04.26..
2...sixtwosix......................30.35.......-07.65..08.03...-08.34..15.89...-06.34..28.76...
3...razmos.........................29.38.......06.57...-10.30..-07.25..19.83...14.03...06.50...
4...general custer.................26.55.......18.70...-07.44..05.34...-02.67..01.29...11.33...
5...CJ.............................15.98.......-18.00..14.60...01.40...25.75...-09.15..01.38...
6...tryoffagain....................15.91.......17.77...-04.47..-08.00..13.73...01.50...-04.62..
7...Kwalker........................11.07.......09.68...04.43...02.20...-06.55..-04.00..05.31...
8...Deltâ..........................09.17.......-01.77..-00.67..10.36...-06.70..04.65...03.30...
9...mikeeboy.......................06.52.......-16.25..06.88...17.83...08.02...-03.72..-06.24..
10..Playschool.....................04.24.......-08.05..-08.48..17.05...19.61...-04.59..-11.30..
11..zipper.........................03.70.......12.10...01.00...00.97...09.63...-10.00..-10.00..
12..Missbossladysue................03.22.......-04.07..-02.00..14.35...00.01...04.99...-10.06..
13..bosstipper.....................00.81.......11.57...-00.50..11.33...-21.67..03.50...-03.42..
14..Tightfisted....................00.30.......16.47...04.49...01.12...-00.98..-06.43..-14.37..
Considering zipper only started comp in MARCH 2009 ( he lost 20 points for not been in leagues for Jan and Feb etc )......................his positive total of 3.70 points is very good .......so he does know a little bit about horse racing ]:)
1...Far From Trouble...............54.63.......-22.00..05.16...47.81...31.25...-03.33..-04.26..
2...sixtwosix......................30.35.......-07.65..08.03...-08.34..15.89...-06.34..28.76...
3...razmos.........................29.38.......06.57...-10.30..-07.25..19.83...14.03...06.50...
4...general custer.................26.55.......18.70...-07.44..05.34...-02.67..01.29...11.33...
5...CJ.............................15.98.......-18.00..14.60...01.40...25.75...-09.15..01.38...
6...tryoffagain....................15.91.......17.77...-04.47..-08.00..13.73...01.50...-04.62..
7...Kwalker........................11.07.......09.68...04.43...02.20...-06.55..-04.00..05.31...
8...Deltâ..........................09.17.......-01.77..-00.67..10.36...-06.70..04.65...03.30...
9...mikeeboy.......................06.52.......-16.25..06.88...17.83...08.02...-03.72..-06.24..
10..Playschool.....................04.24.......-08.05..-08.48..17.05...19.61...-04.59..-11.30..
11..zipper.........................03.70.......12.10...01.00...00.97...09.63...-10.00..-10.00..
12..Missbossladysue................03.22.......-04.07..-02.00..14.35...00.01...04.99...-10.06..
13..bosstipper.....................00.81.......11.57...-00.50..11.33...-21.67..03.50...-03.42..
14..Tightfisted....................00.30.......16.47...04.49...01.12...-00.98..-06.43..-14.37..
Considering zipper only started comp in MARCH 2009 ( he lost 20 points for not been in leagues for Jan and Feb etc )......................his positive total of 3.70 points is very good .......so he does know a little bit about horse racing ]:)
I said I will get some stick, not hit by a falling seuioa! lol I'll get back to your post later on, IM. :)
Kefo4 ....... But it give an indicaction who the fav will be .. Well heres a FACT .. favs win 33% of the time overall.. or since records were kept .. that means 77% of the time they get beat .. thats why there are bookies I kinow they know this .. and if you move up a notch or two .. say 5/1 shots the win % is smaller ... take 100/1 shots its about 000/1 per cent .. Other wise there would be no betting .
how kef4o is betting the form is irrelevant,if spotlight shows a level stake loss to sp every year he has to try to lay the horses to has near or under the sp as possible.
Hayden - don't know if you are still looking in, but was interested in what you have said.
Do you mind me asking - are you backing to level stakes?
Do you mind me asking - are you backing to level stakes?
kef4o
if you put your e mail addy up I may have something that will put your mind at rest as regards laying the Spotlight picks
if you put your e mail addy up I may have something that will put your mind at rest as regards laying the Spotlight picks
However, as from the comments you have in bold above, you are in that camp.......well certainly after a few drinks you are anyway.........:D....so all I can do is indicate that stats are an important part in weighing up a race....
I wasn't drunk. :P Honest.
Take the 5.00 race yesterday where the result was -
If you just looked at the bare race record of the favourite......it had ran far more times than the horse that won............and had failed to win a race! now how complicated is that "information" !
The horse that won had a fairly strong record over 4 races .....and been 2nd a few times.
I suspect that was a fixed race just so that you can put it on here, and support your argument. Kidding, Horse racing is not being fixed! :D
Both had fitness advantage over the other 3 year old horses in race..........and both horses were not "cheap" purchases.
Does it really say the staff about the fitness condition of the horses? That's not stats, it's current situation reflection.
The chances were the favourite would be beaten by TIMES UP, as the winner was relatively unexposed compared to the favourite ( now this happens regularly, and is not unusual, so the example is appropriate ). The favourite had had numerous chances and failed to win.....so why should it win that race ??????
'Unexposed' always perplexes me when put in racing context.
OK - the only other danger was the expensive purchase Alqaffay............but this was a 4 year old horse carrying extra weight ......and the going was Good to Soft.......therefore the circumstances of race made it unlikely it would win.......IMO it could have grabbed 2nd .......but was not given a hard ride......
That's insider information if you include it in your bet decision, isn't it?
So how difficult was that race to weigh up on "form"??????
If a punter gets it wrong on such a race, then it is because they don't understand stats, nor importance of all the conditions of a race.........................don't blame the stats for their ignorance....just blame their ignorance !
Conditions and stats are two different things. Back to the Wimbledon final, I had a bet on Venus, and watched the match. Venus collapsed in front of me. Something just went wrong. The current situation indicated that she would lose despite stats. But the 'don't chase, you plank' thought prevailed, and I lost on the game.
I agree with much of what you say re how difficult it can be for other more complicated races for a punter to take it all in etc However, again it is only down to the punter not being capable of weighing up more complicated races.....where the information is there , but they can't "see" it etc
Punters are blinded by hype.....so they back favourites often.........but if they were capable of understanding more, or took the time to study a race in more detail ( if they know what to look for etc ), then they would be better in discerning which favourites, at the odds, are more a lay than a back.
Correct me if I'm wrong but favourites are such mainly b/c they've ran good previously, or b/c A. P. McCoy will be hanging his ass over them for the next two-three miles, or b/c Paul Nichols has trained them. Form stuff. Why was that horse a fav@17:00? I really don't know but there must've been some indicators drwan from form.
So when you say - " Form doesn't really say what will really happen when those horses start running "...............generally you are just well wrong. I think you should state PUNTERS , who have not studied stats etc, don't know what really happen when horses start running!!!!!!
The ones who have studied the stats etc will have a better idea than those that don't ! ]:)
There is only one thing that I've seen stats get right over the time, and that's who's going to hit the front first...in middle distances I think. Other than that, how can you tell by form which horse would fall over a hursle during the race? Or which market leader will be blocked by the field? (On the radio, they refer to this as the horse being unlucky, or sometimes the jockey being useless.)
There were numerous occasions yesterday , and every day, when knowledge of stats helps to indicate horses that may do well due to conditions of race at the time of year etc.
zipper is one of better, more knowledgeable guys on here, so don't lay his nap selections in YOUR COMPETITION forum ( DIVISION 1), as he has a positive tally at SP odds for this year SO FAR .........and I agree with his general comments, done in a helpful way, re - blindly laying the spotlight selections in long term won't produce much profit...if any...WITHOUT FILTERING SELECTIONS ETC.
I wouldn't lay his tips.
GL with bets anyway ........
Cheers!
I wasn't drunk. :P Honest.
Take the 5.00 race yesterday where the result was -
If you just looked at the bare race record of the favourite......it had ran far more times than the horse that won............and had failed to win a race! now how complicated is that "information" !
The horse that won had a fairly strong record over 4 races .....and been 2nd a few times.
I suspect that was a fixed race just so that you can put it on here, and support your argument. Kidding, Horse racing is not being fixed! :D
Both had fitness advantage over the other 3 year old horses in race..........and both horses were not "cheap" purchases.
Does it really say the staff about the fitness condition of the horses? That's not stats, it's current situation reflection.
The chances were the favourite would be beaten by TIMES UP, as the winner was relatively unexposed compared to the favourite ( now this happens regularly, and is not unusual, so the example is appropriate ). The favourite had had numerous chances and failed to win.....so why should it win that race ??????
'Unexposed' always perplexes me when put in racing context.
OK - the only other danger was the expensive purchase Alqaffay............but this was a 4 year old horse carrying extra weight ......and the going was Good to Soft.......therefore the circumstances of race made it unlikely it would win.......IMO it could have grabbed 2nd .......but was not given a hard ride......
That's insider information if you include it in your bet decision, isn't it?
So how difficult was that race to weigh up on "form"??????
If a punter gets it wrong on such a race, then it is because they don't understand stats, nor importance of all the conditions of a race.........................don't blame the stats for their ignorance....just blame their ignorance !
Conditions and stats are two different things. Back to the Wimbledon final, I had a bet on Venus, and watched the match. Venus collapsed in front of me. Something just went wrong. The current situation indicated that she would lose despite stats. But the 'don't chase, you plank' thought prevailed, and I lost on the game.
I agree with much of what you say re how difficult it can be for other more complicated races for a punter to take it all in etc However, again it is only down to the punter not being capable of weighing up more complicated races.....where the information is there , but they can't "see" it etc
Punters are blinded by hype.....so they back favourites often.........but if they were capable of understanding more, or took the time to study a race in more detail ( if they know what to look for etc ), then they would be better in discerning which favourites, at the odds, are more a lay than a back.
Correct me if I'm wrong but favourites are such mainly b/c they've ran good previously, or b/c A. P. McCoy will be hanging his ass over them for the next two-three miles, or b/c Paul Nichols has trained them. Form stuff. Why was that horse a fav@17:00? I really don't know but there must've been some indicators drwan from form.
So when you say - " Form doesn't really say what will really happen when those horses start running "...............generally you are just well wrong. I think you should state PUNTERS , who have not studied stats etc, don't know what really happen when horses start running!!!!!!
The ones who have studied the stats etc will have a better idea than those that don't ! ]:)
There is only one thing that I've seen stats get right over the time, and that's who's going to hit the front first...in middle distances I think. Other than that, how can you tell by form which horse would fall over a hursle during the race? Or which market leader will be blocked by the field? (On the radio, they refer to this as the horse being unlucky, or sometimes the jockey being useless.)
There were numerous occasions yesterday , and every day, when knowledge of stats helps to indicate horses that may do well due to conditions of race at the time of year etc.
zipper is one of better, more knowledgeable guys on here, so don't lay his nap selections in YOUR COMPETITION forum ( DIVISION 1), as he has a positive tally at SP odds for this year SO FAR .........and I agree with his general comments, done in a helpful way, re - blindly laying the spotlight selections in long term won't produce much profit...if any...WITHOUT FILTERING SELECTIONS ETC.
I wouldn't lay his tips.
GL with bets anyway ........
Cheers!
DFc fair point zip started mimus 20 points . couple of months ago . well i can tell you zip would never lose 20 points any month .. why the Wife would kick my arse .
Oh forgot to say......... I Love My Wife .. Sometimes she reads this at weekends .
zipper 08 Jul 10:10
Kef4o ....... But it give an indicaction who the fav will be .. Well heres a FACT .. favs win 33% of the time overall.. or since records were kept .. that means 67% of the time they get beat .. thats why there are bookies I kinow they know this .. and if you move up a notch or two .. say 5/1 shots the win % is smaller ... take 100/1 shots its about 000/1 per cent .. Other wise there would be no betting .
Sorry, zip. I can't follow you on that one. What are yo trying to say? Bookies pay out less on every single horse in the race. As long as the money is spread evenly they are guaranteed to profit. I f there is a lot of money on one horse, it's gets shorter, the other horses get longer in an attempt to keep thing in balance.
'He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts- for support rather than illumination.' A Lang
I got a quote. Beat that! lol
Kef4o ....... But it give an indicaction who the fav will be .. Well heres a FACT .. favs win 33% of the time overall.. or since records were kept .. that means 67% of the time they get beat .. thats why there are bookies I kinow they know this .. and if you move up a notch or two .. say 5/1 shots the win % is smaller ... take 100/1 shots its about 000/1 per cent .. Other wise there would be no betting .
Sorry, zip. I can't follow you on that one. What are yo trying to say? Bookies pay out less on every single horse in the race. As long as the money is spread evenly they are guaranteed to profit. I f there is a lot of money on one horse, it's gets shorter, the other horses get longer in an attempt to keep thing in balance.
'He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts- for support rather than illumination.' A Lang
I got a quote. Beat that! lol
Kef4o beat that your words . Well this is going to be fun and you know zip likes fun .
Bookies // there are 2 types .. Numbers men .. and Gamblers .. the numbers bookie will settle for a small profit no matter what the out come .. you OK with that .......... Now the gambling bookie . He wants it ALL He is opinionated . rich arrogant fearless puts his money were his mouth is .. pays with a smile when hes wrong .. MR John Banks Was one ... but they are a dying breed . more the pitty .. Today most of em are numbers men they would Lay you 700/200 on course ... providing they can get 800/200 on the exchanges .......... fearless or what .....
Bookies // there are 2 types .. Numbers men .. and Gamblers .. the numbers bookie will settle for a small profit no matter what the out come .. you OK with that .......... Now the gambling bookie . He wants it ALL He is opinionated . rich arrogant fearless puts his money were his mouth is .. pays with a smile when hes wrong .. MR John Banks Was one ... but they are a dying breed . more the pitty .. Today most of em are numbers men they would Lay you 700/200 on course ... providing they can get 800/200 on the exchanges .......... fearless or what .....
Btw, there is great chance that I'll quit this. Now that the conditions have changed, I wouldn't have the benefit if laying shorter due to overbetting.
kef4o - I'm busy with "work" at present :( ....so will respond ( briefly.....only a few paragraphs ]:)
" relatively unexposed" .....perhaps I should have stated "lightly raced".......
GIBB RIVER had ran 6 times whereas TIMES UP had only ran 4 times......so TU was "lightly raced" compared to GR etc..... ( the number of times a horse has raced is a STAT ........not a condition)
The Fanshawe one had only had 1 race under belt and had not won or placed.....so chances were it would not have that level of race fitness IN A DISTANCE race against horses that had been close to winning and had a few races under belt.........................( in short distance races ...SPRINTS to 1 Mile) class horses will beat horses with races under belt first time out ......
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The point made re the 4 year old horse re-weight and time of year and going .....is not re "conditions".........but is just based on stats at this point in season.................not "conditions".
Perhaps you noted the MJ horse beating older horses on AW in a distance race yesterday............well again this was likely to happen, based on how 3 yo horses can and do start to win races more frequently at this point in season......................there was another high odds winner yesterday that also was a 3 yo ......the Fahey one........so the stats are there.....and in certain types of races under certain conditions the stats will hold up......and yesterday was just another one of those days.......................
Glad to see you won't lay zip's naps :D :D
I'd better get back to "work" :(
Cheers the noooooooooooooo
" relatively unexposed" .....perhaps I should have stated "lightly raced".......
GIBB RIVER had ran 6 times whereas TIMES UP had only ran 4 times......so TU was "lightly raced" compared to GR etc..... ( the number of times a horse has raced is a STAT ........not a condition)
The Fanshawe one had only had 1 race under belt and had not won or placed.....so chances were it would not have that level of race fitness IN A DISTANCE race against horses that had been close to winning and had a few races under belt.........................( in short distance races ...SPRINTS to 1 Mile) class horses will beat horses with races under belt first time out ......
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The point made re the 4 year old horse re-weight and time of year and going .....is not re "conditions".........but is just based on stats at this point in season.................not "conditions".
Perhaps you noted the MJ horse beating older horses on AW in a distance race yesterday............well again this was likely to happen, based on how 3 yo horses can and do start to win races more frequently at this point in season......................there was another high odds winner yesterday that also was a 3 yo ......the Fahey one........so the stats are there.....and in certain types of races under certain conditions the stats will hold up......and yesterday was just another one of those days.......................
Glad to see you won't lay zip's naps :D :D
I'd better get back to "work" :(
Cheers the noooooooooooooo
Did someone suggest. that laying only Spotlights- BF's, selections, would show a profit?
Just tried to find today's Spotlight 'tips', and BF's but cannot access them, unless, 'Join the Club'
Just tried to find today's Spotlight 'tips', and BF's but cannot access them, unless, 'Join the Club'
Believe they're still available on Billy Mountain's site ;)
kef4o 08 Jul 11:16
Btw, there is great chance that I'll quit this. Now that the conditions have changed, I wouldn't have the benefit if laying shorter due to overbetting.
If you followed propuntas "Todays Lays" thread you'll have seen the odds of his selections start to shoot out to ridiculous levels as more and more forumites started laying them. Same will happen here.
Let the thread drift off the radar if you don't want to kill your new found golden-laying goose
Btw, there is great chance that I'll quit this. Now that the conditions have changed, I wouldn't have the benefit if laying shorter due to overbetting.
If you followed propuntas "Todays Lays" thread you'll have seen the odds of his selections start to shoot out to ridiculous levels as more and more forumites started laying them. Same will happen here.
Let the thread drift off the radar if you don't want to kill your new found golden-laying goose
Do you really think I didn't think it over before opening the thread? This thing needs devotion beyond anybody would want commit. Plus, you can see this after a click on the purple. It's not my thread that will stop the world.
Also, how many can take 4 losses out of 7 races, and still move on without any chasing stuff?
Kefo - I'm prepared to go to 500 losses in a row for 1 of my strategies..................so what is a few losses in a row IF you know you have an edge...................................]:)
All you have to do is lay another tipster's fancies.........................selectively :D
Back to vorkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
All you have to do is lay another tipster's fancies.........................selectively :D
Back to vorkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Of course that is 500 BACKING losses in a row.......if was a layer .....not even the government could cover my loss account!!!!!!!
No, seriously, I'm starting to worry a bit. If the prices go to a higher average, I might throw the tower.
DFC And KEF .. Spot light has allready banked Misheer (My NAp ) and Goldikova
You guys fancy your chances on 5.30 Last Three Minutes .. dont be shy .
You guys fancy your chances on 5.30 Last Three Minutes .. dont be shy .
By the way ... I know its aftertiming .. but Goldikova . Only had Mr AK nap to beat Rainbow View .. I dont care if you take the mickey .. but I backed the winner .. any how 4.15 thats zip out .. see you tomorrow ..
kef40 - don't wish to put you off but a couple of years ago I made money BACKING Spotlight using Martingale and stopping at a winner.
It wasn't the most brilliant system I've ever used but it would discourage me from laying them TBH.
It wasn't the most brilliant system I've ever used but it would discourage me from laying them TBH.
Horse Racing Catt 8th Jul : 2m Hcap Showing 1 - 5 of 5 Selections
Selection Odds Stake(£) Bid type Placed Profit/loss(£)
Bergonzi 27.56 2.00 Back 08-Jul-09 15:25 53.12
Bergonzi * 1.75 24.00 Lay -18.00
Fin Vin De Leu * 3.72 10.00 Back -10.00
Fin Vin De Leu 1.80 12.00 Lay 08-Jul-09 15:25 12.00
Luna Landing 6.40 2.00 Back 08-Jul-09 15:28 -2.00
*Average odds: On Off Back subtotal: 41.12
Lay subtotal: -6.00
Market subtotal: 35.12
Commission @ 4.9%: 1.72
Net Market Total: 33.40
I backed BERGONZI to beat my nap in comp :D:D :D .....and it did :(
Selection Odds Stake(£) Bid type Placed Profit/loss(£)
Bergonzi 27.56 2.00 Back 08-Jul-09 15:25 53.12
Bergonzi * 1.75 24.00 Lay -18.00
Fin Vin De Leu * 3.72 10.00 Back -10.00
Fin Vin De Leu 1.80 12.00 Lay 08-Jul-09 15:25 12.00
Luna Landing 6.40 2.00 Back 08-Jul-09 15:28 -2.00
*Average odds: On Off Back subtotal: 41.12
Lay subtotal: -6.00
Market subtotal: 35.12
Commission @ 4.9%: 1.72
Net Market Total: 33.40
I backed BERGONZI to beat my nap in comp :D:D :D .....and it did :(
Not the best of days. I can afford jut one winner upto 5.9 if I am to win a unit today.
Thats the problem. Grunfeld assumes that just because it has look over the last fews days that it will lose in the long term. Stick at it mate...
How to do your brains in laying Spotlight.....in less than an hour.
OK lets go.... 7.55 Rugell Epsom.... 8.30 Tarzan Epsom.........8.45 Hightime Heroine.
Thank me later.
OK lets go.... 7.55 Rugell Epsom.... 8.30 Tarzan Epsom.........8.45 Hightime Heroine.
Thank me later.
These kids no FA ...........and thats not aftertiming ........ zip
How to do your brains in laying Spotlight.....in less than an hour.
OK lets go.... 7.55 Rugell Epsom.... 8.30 Tarzan Epsom.........8.45 Hightime Heroine.
Thank me later.
Thanks Zip.......................just when you need a helping hand, along comes Zip !!!!!!
Back in the karsi for you my son.
OK lets go.... 7.55 Rugell Epsom.... 8.30 Tarzan Epsom.........8.45 Hightime Heroine.
Thank me later.
Thanks Zip.......................just when you need a helping hand, along comes Zip !!!!!!
Back in the karsi for you my son.
Didn't someone "discover" a similar laying system about a year ago and posted it on here ? Laying all the Naps on the RP Naps table I think it was.
That caused lots of comments one way and the other, but by the time the dust had settled all those who followed that "false god" had burned more than their fingers.
If there was a system that was based on the prices paid in here or any where else, surely the last thing to do would be to tell everyone, or even anyone about it, you'd simply be driving up the odds against you showing a profit.
Good luck with it Kef40 but for the time that you'll need to run this "system" you'd likely be better off with a paper round, at least that money is guarenteed.
One last thing, early on in the thread you said something about getting this "idea" from a Professional ? I'm curious who that could be, and why anyone would give away a goose that might lay a golden egg ?
If you want an interesting little "system" then I have what might be a better one for you. First of all I prefer to bet rather than to lay, and I do that by backing every Fav in every race, across the boards and across the continents {backing US and Ozzie races} to win a specific amount, a tenner actually.
I have a Bot that does this for me, figured out what I need to beton the Fav in each and every race to win a tenner, you'd be surprised how many days shows a decent profit.
Most days are neither here nor there, some days are bad days that's for sure, but over the last few months I'm up more than a few quid, and more than I expected to be.
Mind you, now that I've let that cat out of the bag I may well have shot myself in the proverbial, it don't take much to change the odds especially in the US races...
Bottom line is, don't go looking for the Holy Grail, there aint one to be found.
Bet what you can afford, think of it as entertainment, don't think you can Bank on it, or build a Bank from it.
The only way to finish up with a small fortune by betting or laying, is to start off with a large fortune...
That caused lots of comments one way and the other, but by the time the dust had settled all those who followed that "false god" had burned more than their fingers.
If there was a system that was based on the prices paid in here or any where else, surely the last thing to do would be to tell everyone, or even anyone about it, you'd simply be driving up the odds against you showing a profit.
Good luck with it Kef40 but for the time that you'll need to run this "system" you'd likely be better off with a paper round, at least that money is guarenteed.
One last thing, early on in the thread you said something about getting this "idea" from a Professional ? I'm curious who that could be, and why anyone would give away a goose that might lay a golden egg ?
If you want an interesting little "system" then I have what might be a better one for you. First of all I prefer to bet rather than to lay, and I do that by backing every Fav in every race, across the boards and across the continents {backing US and Ozzie races} to win a specific amount, a tenner actually.
I have a Bot that does this for me, figured out what I need to beton the Fav in each and every race to win a tenner, you'd be surprised how many days shows a decent profit.
Most days are neither here nor there, some days are bad days that's for sure, but over the last few months I'm up more than a few quid, and more than I expected to be.
Mind you, now that I've let that cat out of the bag I may well have shot myself in the proverbial, it don't take much to change the odds especially in the US races...
Bottom line is, don't go looking for the Holy Grail, there aint one to be found.
Bet what you can afford, think of it as entertainment, don't think you can Bank on it, or build a Bank from it.
The only way to finish up with a small fortune by betting or laying, is to start off with a large fortune...
Right, well I'm sorry to say it in a way but I'm off until September. I'll be home and I can't run the bot there. When I started the thread, I thought I'd be able to give it a try at least until the end of the month but as it turned out I'm going home earlier.
The golden egg thing: I'll say it again, the whole world has access to those statistics, and they are adjusted to market prices. I mean wtf? Is MY thread going to wake the world up?
Will I be laying the spotlight when I come back? Most likely not. I'll keep betting on horses probably but I'll switch to something else which I don't want to share on the forum. The reasons are three. One, I'm not sure whether the subscription will kill my value but it's likely to affect it. It's just not the same thing anymore. Two, I hope that my other plan proves me right and turns out to be more profitable than this. Third, I noted patterns in the market that might be expoitable for trading and stuff, and the things that unfolded in front of me present me with tons of value.
Now, am I chickening out? No. As a matter of fact, in September I plan to add actual value to my thread. Everybody knows how to lay the spotlight, they don't need my guidance. Only note is, lay it as late as possible.
I'll turn my head to football. I won't tell the selection method. but it's basically three, four daily lays, mostly on favorites. I'll use the same staking plan, which I find by far the best thing I've contributed to the thread if anyting.
IN A NUTSHELL, THIS IS MY PHILOSOPHY. IF SOMEONE SUCKS, LAY HIS BETS, AND IF YOU BEAT THE RAKE YOU'LL MAKE PROFIT.
The golden egg thing: I'll say it again, the whole world has access to those statistics, and they are adjusted to market prices. I mean wtf? Is MY thread going to wake the world up?
Will I be laying the spotlight when I come back? Most likely not. I'll keep betting on horses probably but I'll switch to something else which I don't want to share on the forum. The reasons are three. One, I'm not sure whether the subscription will kill my value but it's likely to affect it. It's just not the same thing anymore. Two, I hope that my other plan proves me right and turns out to be more profitable than this. Third, I noted patterns in the market that might be expoitable for trading and stuff, and the things that unfolded in front of me present me with tons of value.
Now, am I chickening out? No. As a matter of fact, in September I plan to add actual value to my thread. Everybody knows how to lay the spotlight, they don't need my guidance. Only note is, lay it as late as possible.
I'll turn my head to football. I won't tell the selection method. but it's basically three, four daily lays, mostly on favorites. I'll use the same staking plan, which I find by far the best thing I've contributed to the thread if anyting.
IN A NUTSHELL, THIS IS MY PHILOSOPHY. IF SOMEONE SUCKS, LAY HIS BETS, AND IF YOU BEAT THE RAKE YOU'LL MAKE PROFIT.
clarethebear 09 Jul 23:43
Didn't someone "discover" a similar laying system about a year ago and posted it on here ? Laying all the Naps on the RP Naps table I think it was.
That caused lots of comments one way and the other, but by the time the dust had settled all those who followed that "false god" had burned more than their fingers.
If there was a system that was based on the prices paid in here or any where else, surely the last thing to do would be to tell everyone, or even anyone about it, you'd simply be driving up the odds against you showing a profit.
Good luck with it Kef40 but for the time that you'll need to run this "system" you'd likely be better off with a paper round, at least that money is guarenteed.
One last thing, early on in the thread you said something about getting this "idea" from a Professional ? I'm curious who that could be, and why anyone would give away a goose that might lay a golden egg ?
If you want an interesting little "system" then I have what might be a better one for you. First of all I prefer to bet rather than to lay, and I do that by backing every Fav in every race, across the boards and across the continents {backing US and Ozzie races} to win a specific amount, a tenner actually.
I have a Bot that does this for me, figured out what I need to beton the Fav in each and every race to win a tenner, you'd be surprised how many days shows a decent profit.
Most days are neither here nor there, some days are bad days that's for sure, but over the last few months I'm up more than a few quid, and more than I expected to be.
Mind you, now that I've let that cat out of the bag I may well have shot myself in the proverbial, it don't take much to change the odds especially in the US races...
Bottom line is, don't go looking for the Holy Grail, there aint one to be found.
Bet what you can afford, think of it as entertainment, don't think you can Bank on it, or build a Bank from it.
The only way to finish up with a small fortune by betting or laying, is to start off with a large fortune...
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So basically you ain't got the "holy grail" ...............................trouble is ...................even when you have it.............................it is not "easy" for a mere mortal to know how to use it!!!!!!
I've probably spent 5/6 months analysing results for my "holy grail" covering just about 4 months...............and when you have the HG, it is not "easy" to separate wheat from chaff.............
Now I have at least 8 ways to use my system to make profit...........ranging from 3% ROI to over 150% ROI...........................................BUT I ain't put what I know into practice yet!!!!!!
I will do......................in NOVEMBER 2009..................if i am still alive...............not sure how much I want to make from having the HG..........................minimum £1,000 a day seems reasonable to me ........................numerous choices on how to make good ROI.................and when faced with such choices, it ain't "easy" to know what path to take...................not being a "professional " with heeps of experience to rely on, every day is a learning day.....even when possessing the HG ......................
So .....clarethebear , let me assure you that the HG does "exist"..................................but knowing how to use it is something that even the "best" of the "best" , whoever they are ( I believe it is meeeeeeeeee..............]:) )..................would find it not "easy" to see how to do so..................
Just thought I would annoy you by posting the opinion that I have the HG.......................it does exist !!!!!!!!
G M the noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
PS I can't do anything to help ENGLAND or SCOTLAND raise their level with regards to football at international level ....................other suggest that a trip is organised for males from ENGLAND and SCOTLAND ( separate transport probably advisable............................) who are intelligent athletes ............................not too many of those in either country attempting to play football.......( ij a beautiful way !!!!).....................to go to BRAZIL / ARGENTINA/ CHILE etc etc .................. places where small people are recognised as having ability COUNT well above big thick eeeeeeeeejjjjjjiiiiiiittttttttttttsssssssssssss....what we have got STILL being chosen to play the beautiful game ....when THEY AIN'T got the ability , drive etc etc ...to do that......ie they are too THICK........................................... to be able to do that!
So clarethebear .........................................you just stick in your world where you do not believe the HG exists.................................the more people that believe that the better it is for me..................................]:)
G M the nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Didn't someone "discover" a similar laying system about a year ago and posted it on here ? Laying all the Naps on the RP Naps table I think it was.
That caused lots of comments one way and the other, but by the time the dust had settled all those who followed that "false god" had burned more than their fingers.
If there was a system that was based on the prices paid in here or any where else, surely the last thing to do would be to tell everyone, or even anyone about it, you'd simply be driving up the odds against you showing a profit.
Good luck with it Kef40 but for the time that you'll need to run this "system" you'd likely be better off with a paper round, at least that money is guarenteed.
One last thing, early on in the thread you said something about getting this "idea" from a Professional ? I'm curious who that could be, and why anyone would give away a goose that might lay a golden egg ?
If you want an interesting little "system" then I have what might be a better one for you. First of all I prefer to bet rather than to lay, and I do that by backing every Fav in every race, across the boards and across the continents {backing US and Ozzie races} to win a specific amount, a tenner actually.
I have a Bot that does this for me, figured out what I need to beton the Fav in each and every race to win a tenner, you'd be surprised how many days shows a decent profit.
Most days are neither here nor there, some days are bad days that's for sure, but over the last few months I'm up more than a few quid, and more than I expected to be.
Mind you, now that I've let that cat out of the bag I may well have shot myself in the proverbial, it don't take much to change the odds especially in the US races...
Bottom line is, don't go looking for the Holy Grail, there aint one to be found.
Bet what you can afford, think of it as entertainment, don't think you can Bank on it, or build a Bank from it.
The only way to finish up with a small fortune by betting or laying, is to start off with a large fortune...
=======================================================
So basically you ain't got the "holy grail" ...............................trouble is ...................even when you have it.............................it is not "easy" for a mere mortal to know how to use it!!!!!!
I've probably spent 5/6 months analysing results for my "holy grail" covering just about 4 months...............and when you have the HG, it is not "easy" to separate wheat from chaff.............
Now I have at least 8 ways to use my system to make profit...........ranging from 3% ROI to over 150% ROI...........................................BUT I ain't put what I know into practice yet!!!!!!
I will do......................in NOVEMBER 2009..................if i am still alive...............not sure how much I want to make from having the HG..........................minimum £1,000 a day seems reasonable to me ........................numerous choices on how to make good ROI.................and when faced with such choices, it ain't "easy" to know what path to take...................not being a "professional " with heeps of experience to rely on, every day is a learning day.....even when possessing the HG ......................
So .....clarethebear , let me assure you that the HG does "exist"..................................but knowing how to use it is something that even the "best" of the "best" , whoever they are ( I believe it is meeeeeeeeee..............]:) )..................would find it not "easy" to see how to do so..................
Just thought I would annoy you by posting the opinion that I have the HG.......................it does exist !!!!!!!!
G M the noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
PS I can't do anything to help ENGLAND or SCOTLAND raise their level with regards to football at international level ....................other suggest that a trip is organised for males from ENGLAND and SCOTLAND ( separate transport probably advisable............................) who are intelligent athletes ............................not too many of those in either country attempting to play football.......( ij a beautiful way !!!!).....................to go to BRAZIL / ARGENTINA/ CHILE etc etc .................. places where small people are recognised as having ability COUNT well above big thick eeeeeeeeejjjjjjiiiiiiittttttttttttsssssssssssss....what we have got STILL being chosen to play the beautiful game ....when THEY AIN'T got the ability , drive etc etc ...to do that......ie they are too THICK........................................... to be able to do that!
So clarethebear .........................................you just stick in your world where you do not believe the HG exists.................................the more people that believe that the better it is for me..................................]:)
G M the nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
kef4o-Overall a good thread. Anybody able to sort the Wheat from the Chaff would have been able to draw some positives from it. Thanks and GL.
dfcironman.
I guess there's always someone who knows it all, always someone who professes to have the holy grail, and those daft enough to listen to them, give yourself a pinch, your dreaming in technicolour.
If you really held the holy grail what the hell are you doing in here ?
wouldn't you be sipping G&T's on a cruise ship somewhere ! rather than signing on.
Seen it all in here, dreamers and pretenders, all trying to massage their ego in public, claiming to know what the rest of us don't.
Get a grip dfc, or folks will thing your a Daft Fekkin Cnut...
I guess there's always someone who knows it all, always someone who professes to have the holy grail, and those daft enough to listen to them, give yourself a pinch, your dreaming in technicolour.
If you really held the holy grail what the hell are you doing in here ?
wouldn't you be sipping G&T's on a cruise ship somewhere ! rather than signing on.
Seen it all in here, dreamers and pretenders, all trying to massage their ego in public, claiming to know what the rest of us don't.
Get a grip dfc, or folks will thing your a Daft Fekkin Cnut...
:D :D :D ......looks like I succeeded in winding you in CTB :D :D :D
Get a grip dfc, or folks will thing your a Daft Fekkin Cnut...
Claret, people already know that.
Claret, people already know that.
'fraid you didn't DFC {what a signature hey, looks like you didn't think that one through either}, LOL...
It takes more than a Dumb Fekkin Cnut to annoy me, like Blackpool is written through rock, we are all knee deep in r soles like you who think they "know it all", and can't resist telling the rest of us how fekkin clever they are...
I'll bet you can talk a good fcuk too, another all trouser and no snake.
It takes more than a Dumb Fekkin Cnut to annoy me, like Blackpool is written through rock, we are all knee deep in r soles like you who think they "know it all", and can't resist telling the rest of us how fekkin clever they are...
I'll bet you can talk a good fcuk too, another all trouser and no snake.
clarethebear 09 Jul 23:43
Didn't someone "discover" a similar laying system about a year ago and posted it on here ? Laying all the Naps on the RP Naps table I think it was.
That caused lots of comments one way and the other, but by the time the dust had settled all those who followed that "false god" had burned more than their fingers.
If there was a system that was based on the prices paid in here or any where else, surely the last thing to do would be to tell everyone, or even anyone about it, you'd simply be driving up the odds against you showing a profit.
Good luck with it Kef40 but for the time that you'll need to run this "system" you'd likely be better off with a paper round, at least that money is guarenteed.
I remember those clarethe bear as there was a whole raft of ideas, which were often spin-offs from 'in the trenches' thread. There were variations tested such as "would it pay to Lay the nap in the Win market but back it in the Place market."
As has been posted by others, if it was so simple (and consistent over time) to simply lay the RP nap, everybody would be doing it. From the comments here, I gather yesterday was a 'bad' day but today was a 'good' day and I suspect it would continue in that vein.
I suggested two possible filters for investigation but kef4o said he didn't have the time.
But unfortunately on Betfair - as I and most others have found - unless you serve your apprenticeship....
Didn't someone "discover" a similar laying system about a year ago and posted it on here ? Laying all the Naps on the RP Naps table I think it was.
That caused lots of comments one way and the other, but by the time the dust had settled all those who followed that "false god" had burned more than their fingers.
If there was a system that was based on the prices paid in here or any where else, surely the last thing to do would be to tell everyone, or even anyone about it, you'd simply be driving up the odds against you showing a profit.
Good luck with it Kef40 but for the time that you'll need to run this "system" you'd likely be better off with a paper round, at least that money is guarenteed.
I remember those clarethe bear as there was a whole raft of ideas, which were often spin-offs from 'in the trenches' thread. There were variations tested such as "would it pay to Lay the nap in the Win market but back it in the Place market."
As has been posted by others, if it was so simple (and consistent over time) to simply lay the RP nap, everybody would be doing it. From the comments here, I gather yesterday was a 'bad' day but today was a 'good' day and I suspect it would continue in that vein.
I suggested two possible filters for investigation but kef4o said he didn't have the time.
But unfortunately on Betfair - as I and most others have found - unless you serve your apprenticeship....
Anyone notice how quiet this golden goose topic has gone today !
Just had a quick look and it seems as though Spotlight has had a stream of good priced winners. You can bet some folks have burned more than their finders today.
What folks can't see is that laying any "tipster" isn't much different to laying any horse in any race.
If you think that laying horse's that hasn't been in the frame recently, ie, Spotlight having a bad run, don't be surprised when the tide turns against you.
On a few days a week you can win some modest amounts, but on the other days you can lose your shirt betting against a tide of winners that can hit you like a Tsunami.
I appreciate Kef4o's write up, but the system is flawed and dangerous to those who think this is the Holy Grail. Not to mention the DFCnuts who profess that they have it all figured out, yet can't put an adult sentence together when debating any topic.
There's some sorry asses in here, the problem is, a forum gives equal voice to the gobshytes as it does to folks worth listening to.
Think it through, IF there wa a "system" that won money on a regular basis the bloke who owned it would be keeping his mouth tightly shut, he certainly wouldn't be posting it in here, or anywhere else, nor would he be "telling his mates about it over a pint".
If you're daft enough to think that such systems exist then you'll be daft enough to follow folks who profess to "know it all" and there's no shortage of them in here.
Bottom line of all this is, bet for fun or entertainment, try to make money long term and you'll finish up ragged r'st.
Just had a quick look and it seems as though Spotlight has had a stream of good priced winners. You can bet some folks have burned more than their finders today.
What folks can't see is that laying any "tipster" isn't much different to laying any horse in any race.
If you think that laying horse's that hasn't been in the frame recently, ie, Spotlight having a bad run, don't be surprised when the tide turns against you.
On a few days a week you can win some modest amounts, but on the other days you can lose your shirt betting against a tide of winners that can hit you like a Tsunami.
I appreciate Kef4o's write up, but the system is flawed and dangerous to those who think this is the Holy Grail. Not to mention the DFCnuts who profess that they have it all figured out, yet can't put an adult sentence together when debating any topic.
There's some sorry asses in here, the problem is, a forum gives equal voice to the gobshytes as it does to folks worth listening to.
Think it through, IF there wa a "system" that won money on a regular basis the bloke who owned it would be keeping his mouth tightly shut, he certainly wouldn't be posting it in here, or anywhere else, nor would he be "telling his mates about it over a pint".
If you're daft enough to think that such systems exist then you'll be daft enough to follow folks who profess to "know it all" and there's no shortage of them in here.
Bottom line of all this is, bet for fun or entertainment, try to make money long term and you'll finish up ragged r'st.
not something i've ever looked at tbh CTB laying one persons selections , you would guess though spotlight would at least put some work into the selections as it's their "paid job" as opposed to the majority of daily newspaper tipsters who seem to be solely judged on their nap ( which they are forced to pick by tea time the previous day ) rather than the daily p/l.
clarethebear - Your first post on this thread made the bold statement -
Bottom line is, don't go looking for the Holy Grail, there aint one to be found.
You then follow your arrogance up by stating -
clarethebear 10 Jul 14:22
dfcironman.
I guess there's always someone who knows it all, always someone who professes to have the holy grail, and those daft enough to listen to them, give yourself a pinch, your dreaming in technicolour.
If you really held the holy grail what the hell are you doing in here ?
wouldn't you be sipping G&T's on a cruise ship somewhere ! rather than signing on.
Seen it all in here, dreamers and pretenders, all trying to massage their ego in public, claiming to know what the rest of us don't.
Get a grip dfc, or folks will thing your a Daft Fekkin Cnut...
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You are the one stating there is no such thing as the HG.......................not me..............therefore you apparently are the " know all "clarethebear !!!!!!!
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clarethebear 10 Jul 20:37
'fraid you didn't DFC {what a signature hey, looks like you didn't think that one through either}, LOL...
It takes more than a Dumb Fekkin Cnut to annoy me, like Blackpool is written through rock, we are all knee deep in r soles like you who think they "know it all", and can't resist telling the rest of us how fekkin clever they are...
I'll bet you can talk a good fcuk too, another all trouser and no snake.
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I'm not stating I am clever ................but I am stating you are just showing how ignorant you are by coming out with statements based on you dismissing out of hand that the HG does not exist .......how the feck would you know whether it does or not ?????
You are the one that came on here boldly stating "Bottom line is, don't go looking for the Holy Grail, there aint one to be found " .......................so you just stick to being just another ignorant person........who likes to spout their empty head off.
Naturally you believe you are the one worth listening to CTB........................and, of course, you can clearly prove the HG does not exist..........................NOT!
Making bold statements that the HG does not exist............................is true for you.........but do not expect anyone that disagrees with you to accept your mistaken belief.......it won't happen.
Trying to murky the waters by making sexual comments as well won't improve what you have stated.....just demonstrates how arrogant and ignorant you are.
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GL kevo with your bets.
Bottom line is, don't go looking for the Holy Grail, there aint one to be found.
You then follow your arrogance up by stating -
clarethebear 10 Jul 14:22
dfcironman.
I guess there's always someone who knows it all, always someone who professes to have the holy grail, and those daft enough to listen to them, give yourself a pinch, your dreaming in technicolour.
If you really held the holy grail what the hell are you doing in here ?
wouldn't you be sipping G&T's on a cruise ship somewhere ! rather than signing on.
Seen it all in here, dreamers and pretenders, all trying to massage their ego in public, claiming to know what the rest of us don't.
Get a grip dfc, or folks will thing your a Daft Fekkin Cnut...
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You are the one stating there is no such thing as the HG.......................not me..............therefore you apparently are the " know all "clarethebear !!!!!!!
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clarethebear 10 Jul 20:37
'fraid you didn't DFC {what a signature hey, looks like you didn't think that one through either}, LOL...
It takes more than a Dumb Fekkin Cnut to annoy me, like Blackpool is written through rock, we are all knee deep in r soles like you who think they "know it all", and can't resist telling the rest of us how fekkin clever they are...
I'll bet you can talk a good fcuk too, another all trouser and no snake.
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I'm not stating I am clever ................but I am stating you are just showing how ignorant you are by coming out with statements based on you dismissing out of hand that the HG does not exist .......how the feck would you know whether it does or not ?????
You are the one that came on here boldly stating "Bottom line is, don't go looking for the Holy Grail, there aint one to be found " .......................so you just stick to being just another ignorant person........who likes to spout their empty head off.
Naturally you believe you are the one worth listening to CTB........................and, of course, you can clearly prove the HG does not exist..........................NOT!
Making bold statements that the HG does not exist............................is true for you.........but do not expect anyone that disagrees with you to accept your mistaken belief.......it won't happen.
Trying to murky the waters by making sexual comments as well won't improve what you have stated.....just demonstrates how arrogant and ignorant you are.
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GL kevo with your bets.
Soime folks are just plain fekkin stoopid, your claim to have the Holy Grail just shows what a *illock you are.
Who would claim to have "the Holy Grail" yet still be 'signing on", shows you for what you are! A real DFC, who thinks he can add strength to his arguement by writing in bold letters, what a twit.
Best part is how didn't have the brains or the wit to have thought through your DFC prefix, DFClittleman would probably be more appropriate !
Who would claim to have "the Holy Grail" yet still be 'signing on", shows you for what you are! A real DFC, who thinks he can add strength to his arguement by writing in bold letters, what a twit.
Best part is how didn't have the brains or the wit to have thought through your DFC prefix, DFClittleman would probably be more appropriate !
From 1st July 2009 laying Spotlight selections to win £10 (cumulative totals).
31-JuL -£30
31-Aug +£69
30-Sep +£19
31-Oct -£210
30-Nov -£528
31-Dec -£698
Time to start or increase stake, it can't go on losing... ]:)
31-JuL -£30
31-Aug +£69
30-Sep +£19
31-Oct -£210
30-Nov -£528
31-Dec -£698
Time to start or increase stake, it can't go on losing... ]:)
Seems like desperate stuff to me. Especially in view of the number of races involved, it's hard to believe losses are down to chance.
Come on then, give all you have. ;) I had serious try in early September. I think that somewhere in the second week I came to the conlusion that due to two key factors it's impossible to make profit with it.
1) comission
2) I generally had prices 1 or 2 ticks worse.
So, it's impossible to make profit neither by laying, nor by backing. I couldn't find the reason, dumped it, moved on. Thanks for the stats though, Tightfisted.
1) comission
2) I generally had prices 1 or 2 ticks worse.
So, it's impossible to make profit neither by laying, nor by backing. I couldn't find the reason, dumped it, moved on. Thanks for the stats though, Tightfisted.
It goes to prove there are no 'point and click' bets.
Kef40 Spotlight has a selection in every race , every day, every month , every year , . backing or laying in every race you will do your brains ... back some , lay some , miss plenty . thats the way to go .
Whilst I agree with you,zip, I can't do it.
I don't have:
1) enough knowledge(I haven't even been to a race course.)
2) enough experience(I guess that a sport as complicated as this one might take upto 5 years to master both flat and jumping to a reasonable elvel.)
3) enough time(I have tried studing, very hard too. But I just can't devote 1-2 hours every single day bar four in the calendar year.)
I don't have:
1) enough knowledge(I haven't even been to a race course.)
2) enough experience(I guess that a sport as complicated as this one might take upto 5 years to master both flat and jumping to a reasonable elvel.)
3) enough time(I have tried studing, very hard too. But I just can't devote 1-2 hours every single day bar four in the calendar year.)
1-2 hours ?? you joking
might get you one race sorted
might get you one race sorted
Time to start or increase stake, it can't go on losing... ]:)
While the other 'experts' were shooting at dead ducks, you could have been heeding my advice, Kef...
Ling 12:30...0...95 ...+95 ...Style Award
Ling 13:00...0...95 ...190 ...Divine Force
Sthl 13:15...0...95 ...285 ...Boy The Bell
Ling 13:30...0...95 ...380 ...Fromsong
Sthl 13:45...0...95 ...475 ...Dontuwi**wereso
Ling 14:00...0...95 ...570 ...Sunset Boulevard
Sthl 14:15...0...95 ...665 ...Royal Dignitary
Ling 14:30...0...95 ...760 ...Waldvogel
Ling 15:00...0...95 ...855 ...On Terms
Sthl 15:15...1..-90 ...765 ...Obe Gold
Ling 15:30...0...95 ...860 ...Alfie Tupper
Sthl 15:45...0...95 ...955 ...Fongoli
Ling 16:00...0...95 ..1050 ...Wunder Strike
While the other 'experts' were shooting at dead ducks, you could have been heeding my advice, Kef...
Ling 12:30...0...95 ...+95 ...Style Award
Ling 13:00...0...95 ...190 ...Divine Force
Sthl 13:15...0...95 ...285 ...Boy The Bell
Ling 13:30...0...95 ...380 ...Fromsong
Sthl 13:45...0...95 ...475 ...Dontuwi**wereso
Ling 14:00...0...95 ...570 ...Sunset Boulevard
Sthl 14:15...0...95 ...665 ...Royal Dignitary
Ling 14:30...0...95 ...760 ...Waldvogel
Ling 15:00...0...95 ...855 ...On Terms
Sthl 15:15...1..-90 ...765 ...Obe Gold
Ling 15:30...0...95 ...860 ...Alfie Tupper
Sthl 15:45...0...95 ...955 ...Fongoli
Ling 16:00...0...95 ..1050 ...Wunder Strike
Sorry, didn't follow today's racing. Are those lays for today? And wasn't there just one track open? Where do you post your advice anyway?
Forget it, Kef, stick to tennis or whatever, you saved yourself a lot of money by stopping early.
From 1st July 2009 laying Spotlight selections to win £10 (cumulative totals).
31-JuL -£30
31-Aug +£69
30-Sep +£19
31-Oct -£210
30-Nov -£528
31-Dec -£698
Tightfisted
Are those figures LAYING Betfair SP and Net of 5% Commission ?
31-JuL -£30
31-Aug +£69
30-Sep +£19
31-Oct -£210
30-Nov -£528
31-Dec -£698
Tightfisted
Are those figures LAYING Betfair SP and Net of 5% Commission ?
isn't this the same " system " attempted by IQMJ earlier last year ?
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