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Yossarrian
24 Nov 09 20:16
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What's to stop me opening my own betting exchange with similar functionality to Betfair and manufacturing liquidity by using a bot to copy all the offers on Betfair onto the betting grids on my site?

I'd make money two ways - through commision (I'd charge 2-3%) and through slight over-round built in to the markets

It would be fairly easy to do

Who could stop me?
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Report Still standing November 24, 2009 8:37 PM GMT
Betfairs odds change because people are taking both sides of a bet. I'll go out on a limb here and say that you won't have the customer base BF does, so people will take your odds without the other side being matched. Someone might bet a horse big at 5.0, are you sure you will get a layer @ 5.1 ?

You'd be on the hook big time You can't always cover your bets because BF odds move too fast.

Plus operating and start up costs would be enormous. Nice try though.
Report bainnyboy November 24, 2009 8:50 PM GMT
£1M to have the servers hosted, duplicate throighout the world....................
Report Yossarrian November 24, 2009 9:16 PM GMT
SS, I won't care about balancing my book

I'll be happy to lay 25% shots at 5.0

Won't bother me if I can't back it at 5.1
Report Yossarrian November 24, 2009 9:17 PM GMT
20% shots*
Report ELA MANA MOU November 24, 2009 11:34 PM GMT
WELL THERES NOTHING TO STOP YOU, BUT THE FACT IS BETFAIR HAVE 2 MILLION CUSTOMERS AND IF THEY GET A FIVER A WEEK FROM EACH THEY RAKE 10 MILLION

a bit like walking into a bar, and miis world is there wanting a fk, betfair have 10 million and you have 30 quid, who is she going to choose?
Report Baz November 25, 2009 11:39 AM GMT
This is already happening in practice.
Report Yossarrian November 25, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
Where Baz?
Report Baz November 25, 2009 6:47 PM GMT
Daq are similar in my opinion.
Report Baz November 25, 2009 6:47 PM GMT
Their other site ending in Mate does 2 & 3 %. I was wondering whether you were jokingly referring to it.
Report hologon November 25, 2009 8:51 PM GMT
how does the firm begiinning with w keep going?
Report Baz November 25, 2009 9:35 PM GMT
Stranger than the 'Bermuda triangle' phenomenon that one. Large investment and not happy to close for a loss yet?
Report Yossarrian November 25, 2009 10:23 PM GMT
Yeah Baz I know they are at it, but what about audits?

It's legally a very dubious practise
Report Baz November 25, 2009 10:33 PM GMT
Firms populating their own exchanges will make errors in doing so that cost money, wrongly programmed bots etc. Not inc Betfair, none of the others are set up to make a trading profit or even come out flat so therefore must pay set up and fixed costs from commission generated. It doesn't take a lot of working out that it's a massive struggle.
Report Yossarrian November 28, 2009 9:32 PM GMT
Baz, shutting down winning accounts would help reduce costs

Anyway my question is is it legal to put my own money into markets on my own betting exchange?
Report aye robot November 28, 2009 10:01 PM GMT
You would need a bookmakers licence to run an exchange, if you have that you can do what you like with it providing you don't breach your own T&Cs.

The notion of an exchange is a bit of a fiction, when you strike a bet on betfair you aren't really betting against another customer- your bet is taken by Betfair (acting as a bookmaker), betfair simultaneously takes another bet from another customer which opposes yours- but both bets are struck between the customes and betfair. That's why betfair is legal, it's also why layers here are not unlicensed layers- they are in fact backing a regular bet against a bookie.
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