New unmanaged IP football markets

hmmm, :D :D

:D
Many more gubbings to come imagine a 90th min goal which gets disallowed :D

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It is about football. Contrary,( Contrarian), however contrary to popular opinion there are a few sensible people that contribute over there.


I guess it could be possible to bring it back here if anybody understands how to copy and paste. That is well beyond my abilities. ;)

I dont think there will be much money on them, probably a few people at the ground who want a bet. Looks like every match will be on a saturday afternoon when there is already over a dozen managed in-play games. I dont understand why they are trying it now after 9 years, when they could have tried it a few years ago when they didn't have half as many in-play games as they do now. I dont think it's that much different from some other sports that dont suspend though, but I would prefer it to suspend.

it wont take off ,believe me .

it will be a bit like the 'purple roadshow visits betfair'

hope BF have got some new servers ordered ... Saturday afternoons are bad enough now for Horse Racing :(

They've just done a network upgrade on Monday. Maybe that will improve things.
It depends where the bottleneck is. If it's in bet request serialisation that might be quite difficult to improve, you can't just throw hardware at the problem.

I often think the whole site would be better off with a wallet for horseracing and a wallet for sports that operate out of almost entirely seperate systems. (or something along those lines)

didn't liquidity on spanish games fall to almost nothing with 8 second delays?

it might be appropriate for the lag on sky pics, but even punters aware they are watching slow pics (me) have a threshold of how long they are prepared to have a bet ticking through for, 8 seconds is painfully long in running

I wonder how much of a performance hit this cross-matching malarky has caused.

I don't follow the rationale for delays at all, unless it doesn't apply to cancellations?

As coachbuster says betd aq already run unmanaged markets and the liquidity is non existent, people moan now about getting picked off so after one bad experience playing unmanaged markets they'll never return again.

without 8 seconds you could be watching sky and boom something happened on betfair, then your watching for how they scored on sky.

These markets are probably for people listening to local radio commentary.

local radio stations tend to cut to adverts at opportune moments during games

betdac ran unmanaged football markets but have ditched them now

as mentioned though liquidity was fairly dire

when did they stop aceofspades? There was a time i used to put decent value offers in on there and you could wait 5 or more minutes with no takers before having to take them down

i think it was a couple of months back buzzer, i too used to ask for a few hundred here and there but i gave up because of the lack of activity

8 seconds is common on soccer markets. I think with the spanish games sky was about 30 seconds behind and sometimes the feed betfair was using was also behind as every one was getting hoovered.

Think someone in spain said they got a taxi to the pub, taxi had the match on. Goal scored in the taxi, he gets out goes in the pub and watches the goal on sky in the pub

Never fully understood why footie is the only sport that suspends in-running.

impact (relative to other sports) of goal. It creates wipeout scenario for anyone hoping to trade out on their position. Pointless market.

wipeout wrong word but it makes it unattractive as a trading vehicle.

But surely that is the case whether you suspend or not - a goal potentially makes or breaks you regardless

visionary .

because theyre able to suspend markets for goals,sending offs etc

can you imagine suspending a tennis match every time a point was one ,it would be ridiculous ,nothing to suspend on the racing either

But surely that is the case whether you suspend or not - a goal potentially makes or breaks you regardless

without suspending the advantage the hoovers have is enormous.

They are betting on what has happened while those watching sky are still taking a punt. The hoovers could easily double their stake with no risk within few minutes, With that sort of edge it becomes rediculous

brendan if someone wants to listen to sky news for match info they will need 2 minutes delay not a mere 8 seconds. I guess this new market is for people with local radio feeds, where 8 seconds may be sufficient. Not for me though, there is enough live football on sky to keep me happy.

wonder if they will introduce sp prices for football??

I guess this new market is for people with local radio feeds

That has to be very small market they are after! Someone on the football thread said in running betting is illegal in italy. So that would be the illegal exchange bettors in running radio market :)

Suppose they will know if the matched total goes up or down and wether the difference covers the employment of the suspend boy and the feeds

brendan my understanding is that there is no suspending and no feeds, so no cost to Betfair.

But surely that is the case whether you suspend or not - a goal potentially makes or breaks you regardless

without suspending the advantage the hoovers have is enormous.

They are betting on what has happened while those watching sky are still taking a punt. The hoovers could easily double their stake with no risk within few minutes, With that sort of edge it becomes rediculous

So does hoovering on football matches already occur then? This is a genuine question as I don't know these markets very well at all and want to understand more about the suspension thing and why it is only turned on for this sport.

8 secs is needed because the actual delay is near enough 8 seconds

Hoovering is very rare on soccer. If Betfair make a mistake and suspend late they void the bets that get matched after the goal. I think the reason they suspend on soccer and not others is because it's popular so they make the money back, and there's usually not many incidents compared to other sports. The advantage with suspensions is that you can play in more than 1 match and leave offers up.

Okuma they are not going to suspend when a goal is scored, will you be leaving bets up on these matches?

I predict high levels ofSEETHING.

No I wont be going near them.

Quite a lot of people listen to live local radio commentary on Sat afternoon.
It's always on in my local shop. Should be able to rustle up a few hundred gamblers, presumably with very little delay as the radio isn't by satellite.
Not for the propunters perhaps. You'd have to get good at interpreting the commentators bellowing.

Or maybe they envisage the actual spectators betting away on their mobiles!
No idea why the Italian stuff is going to be on.

Contrarian 24 Nov 14:09
Starting 5 December. Could be absolute chaos!




I had you as .........Oh forget it

Spanish games were notorious for hoovers, think a liive Notts County game the other month had them too. They are not that common these days but there is a 8s delay now. Without the delay you would notice it straight awway.

OK so I see the main reason is in protecting people who aren't watching the games live and allowing them to leave bets up. Must be a real pain having to re-enter your positions each time there is a suspend though.

the market changes so much no one would leave prices up after a goal. Maybe second half of a trade but even then cant see the benefit

the fixtures for next weekends games are up but no mention in the rules of going In Play....

wonder if they load this under a different coupon ??

If I knew the markets well enough I'd leave all manner of bets up during in-play in footie markets without suspension.

It's the suspend thing that makes betting on that sport of no interest to me.

you can "keep" them through suspensions if you would like

No, I would only be interested in games I was watching at the time so I could cancel as necessary.

Anyway, going to be zero liquidity I would have thought on these markets in non-televised games.