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Has anyone ever tried this betting system. Backing favs at odds over 6/4
Fibonacci Sequence
This staking plan is based on the Fibonacci sequence of numbers first devised by an Italian mathematician in the 12th century and as with the earlier D alambert system, the Fibonacci sequence took it name from its inventor. Some people profess that the Fibonacci sequence can form the basis of a very efficient staking plan, especially when it comes to horse racing.
The Fibonacci Sequence works by adding the two previous numbers in the Fibonacci Sequence to get the next stake, ie 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34.
With the Fibonacci Sequence your bets go up one step with each loss and you reduce your bets in the Fibonacci Sequence, down 2 steps with each win. Note that every win with the Fibonacci sequence pays for the two losses before it.
Worked example for the Fibonacci sequence:
Fibonacci Sequence
This staking plan is based on the Fibonacci sequence of numbers first devised by an Italian mathematician in the 12th century and as with the earlier D alambert system, the Fibonacci sequence took it name from its inventor. Some people profess that the Fibonacci sequence can form the basis of a very efficient staking plan, especially when it comes to horse racing.
The Fibonacci Sequence works by adding the two previous numbers in the Fibonacci Sequence to get the next stake, ie 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34.
With the Fibonacci Sequence your bets go up one step with each loss and you reduce your bets in the Fibonacci Sequence, down 2 steps with each win. Note that every win with the Fibonacci sequence pays for the two losses before it.
Worked example for the Fibonacci sequence:
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What did 12th Century Italians know about football?
so what does anyone know about this system.
I thinking that you could be on a 10 losing streak and not into big money, but then it gets hairy..
would the wins be able to compensate for the big 10 loss
I thinking that you could be on a 10 losing streak and not into big money, but then it gets hairy..
would the wins be able to compensate for the big 10 loss
Personally, I don't like anyone telling me how much to bet, especially the inventor of a useless mathematical calculation.
The Betfairy 19 Nov 11:56
Personally, I don't like anyone telling me how much to bet, especially the inventor of a useless mathematical calculation.
Read up about Fibonacci sequence and then call it a useless mathematical calculation
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Personally, I don't like anyone telling me how much to bet, especially the inventor of a useless mathematical calculation.
Read up about Fibonacci sequence and then call it a useless mathematical calculation
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From Wikipedia:
In mathematics, the Fibonacci numbers are the numbers in the following sequence:
0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144 .
By definition, the first two Fibonacci numbers are 0 and 1, and each remaining number is the sum of the previous two. Some sources omit the initial 0, instead beginning the sequence with two 1s.
In mathematics, the Fibonacci numbers are the numbers in the following sequence:
0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144 .
By definition, the first two Fibonacci numbers are 0 and 1, and each remaining number is the sum of the previous two. Some sources omit the initial 0, instead beginning the sequence with two 1s.
Hmmm, a staking plan that has the potential of draining your account of 87 TIMES the original stake you put down.
So if someone had an account with £300 and was comfortable wagering 3%, they would have to reload two times and have £30 left after the 8th loss.
Also, this staking plan does not bring into account if the person bets 4/6 or 2/1 or ???
ridicolo
So if someone had an account with £300 and was comfortable wagering 3%, they would have to reload two times and have £30 left after the 8th loss.
Also, this staking plan does not bring into account if the person bets 4/6 or 2/1 or ???
ridicolo
so long as you start at step 0 of Fibonacci Sequence you should be fairly safe :)
martingale with a twist...ooooooooooooo
and just as bad
and just as bad
1 If you have an edge, you will very likely make a profit over the long term whatever your staking system ,assuming the stakes will remain a reasonable size.
2 If you don't have an edge, you will very likely not make a profit over the long term whatever your staking system.
If you just blindly back favourites over 6/4 then I reckon you will fall under 2.
To learn about the likely result of such an approach, I can recommend the thread "MY GREAT SYSTEM" by kenniky.
2 If you don't have an edge, you will very likely not make a profit over the long term whatever your staking system.
If you just blindly back favourites over 6/4 then I reckon you will fall under 2.
To learn about the likely result of such an approach, I can recommend the thread "MY GREAT SYSTEM" by kenniky.
Fibonacci was a propper mathematical genius and his famous sequence has all kinds of intersting properties and uses- but this is NOT one of them. Leave well alone.
Lets suppose you had a bank of 1000 starting
and backing only 6/4 +
your bets would be as follows
Bet No1 5 culumitive loss 5
5 10
10 20
15 35
25 60
40 100
65 165
105 250
170 440
Bet No10 275 715
Assuming bet 10 came in at 2/1 x 275 = 550 less 5%=27= 523 - 440 of losses = 83 profit
Hope my maths are right
Bax
and backing only 6/4 +
your bets would be as follows
Bet No1 5 culumitive loss 5
5 10
10 20
15 35
25 60
40 100
65 165
105 250
170 440
Bet No10 275 715
Assuming bet 10 came in at 2/1 x 275 = 550 less 5%=27= 523 - 440 of losses = 83 profit
Hope my maths are right
Bax
We sang 'From The Isle Of Man' when I was a kid :)
Yes I have used something similar Baxter in my youth, the concept is similar to Martingale but it's more fun and the stakes escalate less rapidly when you have a bad run.
tried it also in my youth...... works sometimes .......leaves you potless others.....dont bother.....10% of bank staking plan was the future for me......works....................
Hey guys!
Long time betfair user first time forum poster!
Normally I would recommend staying well clear of any loss recovery staking plan - Fibonacci, Martingale, Anti-Martingale, etc - as this can become ridiculous on a bad run. This can be especially costly in sports betting as, unlike casino games and their table limits, the only restraint is your personal finances. Any missguided confidence in these systems could be dangerous.
However!!! I do use a very similar system that gives me an excellent steady profit month after month! I use a small sequence of Fibonacci - 1,2,3,5,1.. stopping at a winner and starting the entire sequence again, and never going further than 5 points. (The sceptics amongst you could even use a sequence of 1,1.5,2,3,1...) I use this with 3 types of football betting - doubles, singles and lays. All bets have to be around even odds. I currently use £50 per unit and profit approx 15 points minimum per month.
If you are starting out I would recommend starting with £5 per unit and a starting bank of 22 units. Be prepared for the odd losing sequence as they do occur, but ultimately it is down to your team selection! Dont be gready!
More about my bets -
Doubles - My doubles are very simple! I select two of the strongest football teams that are playing lowly opposition. Teams like Man Utd, Chelsea, Inter, Porto, Barcelona,etc. Odds of 1.5 are suffice as the double will have odds over evens. This is my favourite of my bets and I have not had a losing sequence in over 2 years with this.
Singles - I usualy go for away teams that are playing well, obviouse really.
Lays - I usualy go with a home team that is not playing well.
You will need to apply your own criteria with team selections but I can assure you that the system, aslong as you dont get gready and start going for bigger odds, works wonders.
Long time betfair user first time forum poster!
Normally I would recommend staying well clear of any loss recovery staking plan - Fibonacci, Martingale, Anti-Martingale, etc - as this can become ridiculous on a bad run. This can be especially costly in sports betting as, unlike casino games and their table limits, the only restraint is your personal finances. Any missguided confidence in these systems could be dangerous.
However!!! I do use a very similar system that gives me an excellent steady profit month after month! I use a small sequence of Fibonacci - 1,2,3,5,1.. stopping at a winner and starting the entire sequence again, and never going further than 5 points. (The sceptics amongst you could even use a sequence of 1,1.5,2,3,1...) I use this with 3 types of football betting - doubles, singles and lays. All bets have to be around even odds. I currently use £50 per unit and profit approx 15 points minimum per month.
If you are starting out I would recommend starting with £5 per unit and a starting bank of 22 units. Be prepared for the odd losing sequence as they do occur, but ultimately it is down to your team selection! Dont be gready!
More about my bets -
Doubles - My doubles are very simple! I select two of the strongest football teams that are playing lowly opposition. Teams like Man Utd, Chelsea, Inter, Porto, Barcelona,etc. Odds of 1.5 are suffice as the double will have odds over evens. This is my favourite of my bets and I have not had a losing sequence in over 2 years with this.
Singles - I usualy go for away teams that are playing well, obviouse really.
Lays - I usualy go with a home team that is not playing well.
You will need to apply your own criteria with team selections but I can assure you that the system, aslong as you dont get gready and start going for bigger odds, works wonders.
New poster? And you knew to go straight back to Nov the find this?
OK, here's my guess. You are the OP with a new log in and you've revised your staking plan after getting ironed out a few times with the original.
This is still madness. G/L in your search.
OK, here's my guess. You are the OP with a new log in and you've revised your staking plan after getting ironed out a few times with the original.
This is still madness. G/L in your search.
Write out 1000 times:
No staking plan can overcome persistently betting at below the true odds of a given event occurring.
No staking plan can overcome persistently betting at below the true odds of a given event occurring.
General Midwinter, spot on mate, if a betting outcome has a negative expectancy, then no amount of stakes alterations will turn it into a positive one.
IMO,staking plans don't work, especially progressive like Fibonacci.
boxing the fox, I am well, but not winning so far this season, early days of course.
Hope you are also well, GL.
Hope you are also well, GL.
Why do these threads always get hijacked with "true odds" merchants
Scotbet totally agree noone knows the true odds of an event happening.Also the same event doesnt happen often enough for these so called edges to apply.Everyone thats on this thread is full of excrement
greenviking
Scotbet totally agree noone knows the true odds of an event happening.Also the same event doesnt happen often enough for these so called edges to apply.Everyone thats on this thread is full of excrement
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I'd suggest that it is perhaps you who is full of excrement and has no idea about what they are talking about.
If I said something that you view as incorrect in my post please explain what that was.
Scotbet totally agree noone knows the true odds of an event happening.Also the same event doesnt happen often enough for these so called edges to apply.Everyone thats on this thread is full of excrement
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I'd suggest that it is perhaps you who is full of excrement and has no idea about what they are talking about.
If I said something that you view as incorrect in my post please explain what that was.
If ''fibonacci'' worked there would be no casinos, theoretically
perfect for such staking at true odds minus commission.
perfect for such staking at true odds minus commission.
DaveEdwards Joined: 06 Sep 07
Replies: 5465 09 Aug 10 06:34
New poster? And you knew to go straight back to Nov the find this?
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Yea cos thats a really complex task.How could any one manage to do that as a new poster,shocking.This post of yours proves my earlier post-youre one of many clueless fools
Replies: 5465 09 Aug 10 06:34
New poster? And you knew to go straight back to Nov the find this?
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Yea cos thats a really complex task.How could any one manage to do that as a new poster,shocking.This post of yours proves my earlier post-youre one of many clueless fools
I do love these people who try to make themselves out to be so superior by attempting to put other forum users down.You are the clueless fool.
No point in explaining anything to you greenviking, your mind is already made up.
g/l fool.
g/l fool.
Kenilworth,.... Inventor of infamous "impossible to loose 8 in row Football System" (which turned out to be just fruitcake plan),.... was spot on with his comment :)
Martin654, Kenilworth,.... Inventor of infamous "impossible to loose 8 in row Football System" (which turned out to be just fruitcake plan),.... was spot on with his comment :)
Martin, I'm not sure what you are referring to, could you explain ?
Martin, I'm not sure what you are referring to, could you explain ?
scotbet
Why do these threads always get hijacked with "true odds" merchants
Because the OP asked if we've ever tried it.
I have tried it, and other staking systems, over millions of simulations - there is simply no way to overcome betting at less than the true odds with a staking system.
Never has been, never will be - end of.
The system you have to look for is one that identifies wagers that can be placed at advantageous odds.
Why do so many people insist on using the phrase 'true odds'?
Whatever the sport there is simply no way of knowing the true odds for any event.
To quote General Midwinter, Never has been, never will be - end of.
Whatever the sport there is simply no way of knowing the true odds for any event.
To quote General Midwinter, Never has been, never will be - end of.
For any given event, unlikely. For a large number of independent events, however, it is possible to establish with a reasonable degree of confidence that one is overall placing wagers at above the true odds of the events occurring.
Martin654, Kenilworth,.... Inventor of infamous "impossible to loose 8 in row Football System" (which turned out to be just fruitcake plan),.... was spot on with his comment :)
Martin, I'm not sure what you are referring to, could you explain ?
I think he's got you confused with kenniky
Martin, I'm not sure what you are referring to, could you explain ?
I think he's got you confused with kenniky
I wasn't aware that the OP was enquiring about the mechanics of "true odds" within betting
I thought he was placing a blanket system (over 6/4s favs) against a staking system
I thought he was placing a blanket system (over 6/4s favs) against a staking system
If he's betting favourites blind then he's betting below the true odds and he will fail.
General Midwinter is correct. It is also correct to say that any system that increases the stakes after a loss (unless there is a 100% strike rate) is doomed to fail. That is a mathematical certainty.
All the chasing systems - Martingale, Fibonacci, Labouchere, etc. - will, if played long enough, definitely lose, unless you are able to defy some of the basic laws of the universe.
All the chasing systems - Martingale, Fibonacci, Labouchere, etc. - will, if played long enough, definitely lose, unless you are able to defy some of the basic laws of the universe.
greenviking
Scotbet totally agree noone knows the true odds of an event happening.Also the same event doesnt happen often enough for these so called edges to apply.Everyone thats on this thread is full of excrement ..............................................................
OK greenviking, either you are full of excrement yourself or you are therefore implying that you are not & as such superior to other posters. I think the latter cannot be true in your case.
My other posting about not bothering to explain anything to you was in reference to what I was originally going to post about the databases that I have that do allow the user to form a reasonable idea of the probabilities of an event taking place. I subsequently deleted most of what I had typed because frankly I didn't think you were worth the effort. For having only supplied partial information in that last post I apologise.
You sir are still a plank.
g/l
Scotbet totally agree noone knows the true odds of an event happening.Also the same event doesnt happen often enough for these so called edges to apply.Everyone thats on this thread is full of excrement ..............................................................
OK greenviking, either you are full of excrement yourself or you are therefore implying that you are not & as such superior to other posters. I think the latter cannot be true in your case.
My other posting about not bothering to explain anything to you was in reference to what I was originally going to post about the databases that I have that do allow the user to form a reasonable idea of the probabilities of an event taking place. I subsequently deleted most of what I had typed because frankly I didn't think you were worth the effort. For having only supplied partial information in that last post I apologise.
You sir are still a plank.
g/l
And that is the key ..betting blind or throwing a massive blanket over a price or range or prices ...will lead to failure ....the more detailed he becomes the better chance he stands of winning - obtaining/find proper/logical trends in betting will only help improve his p/l
Beefie Joined: 08 Feb 10
Replies: 86 17 Aug 10 12:55
General Midwinter is correct. It is also correct to say that any system that increases the stakes after a loss (unless there is a 100% strike rate) is doomed to fail. That is a mathematical certainty
Beefie , that is so incorrect its fightening .....you're adopting a simplistic approach
mate - like the OP ,
It seems to me most people on here assume that folk increase their stake after a loss , what about lowering your stake after a win or loss ? or staking more or less in a particular month , week , type of race , type of game etc etc
Replies: 86 17 Aug 10 12:55
General Midwinter is correct. It is also correct to say that any system that increases the stakes after a loss (unless there is a 100% strike rate) is doomed to fail. That is a mathematical certainty
Beefie , that is so incorrect its fightening .....you're adopting a simplistic approach
mate - like the OP ,
It seems to me most people on here assume that folk increase their stake after a loss , what about lowering your stake after a win or loss ? or staking more or less in a particular month , week , type of race , type of game etc etc
Scotbet
I'm very happy to discuss that with you.
Can you give me an example of a system that increases the stake after a loss that is not doomed to fail? Then we can have a look at it.
I'm very happy to discuss that with you.
Can you give me an example of a system that increases the stake after a loss that is not doomed to fail? Then we can have a look at it.
Artisan
If I may, here are the results of a racing system I've been monitoring since 01/05/2010.
It's nothing new and I operate it only one day each week, namely Saturday. That's because, in common with millions of others, I have to work for a living and Saturday is the only day I have the time to work on it.
As I said before, the system itself is nothing new. The rules are simply UK racing only, seven days or less since last winning run.
Below is a breakdown of results to date.
It's currently showing a profit to level stakes but I have a hunch, and that's all it is, a hunch, that increasing stakes after a losing day/losing days could improve the figures.
I'll be looking at this approach for future qualifiers.
Your comments would be appreciated.
If I may, here are the results of a racing system I've been monitoring since 01/05/2010.
It's nothing new and I operate it only one day each week, namely Saturday. That's because, in common with millions of others, I have to work for a living and Saturday is the only day I have the time to work on it.
As I said before, the system itself is nothing new. The rules are simply UK racing only, seven days or less since last winning run.
Below is a breakdown of results to date.
| Date | Time | Course | Qualifier | Result | BSP |
| 01/05/2010 | 16:15 | Newmarket (Rowley) | Jack My Boy (IRE) | WON | 22.73 |
| 01/05/2010 | 17:35 | Doncaster | Russian George (IRE) | Lost | |
| 01/05/2010 | 17:40 | Goodwood | Until The Man (IRE) | Lost | |
| 01/05/2010 | 20:30 | Hexham | Thyne For Deploy (IRE) | WON | 2.16 |
| 08/05/2010 | 13:55 | Nottingham | Top Bid | WON | 5.02 |
| 08/05/2010 | 15:50 | Hexham | Flying Doctor | WON | 3.70 |
| 08/05/2010 | 16:25 | Hexham | Cash Man (IRE) | Lost | |
| 08/05/2010 | 17:30 | Lingfield | Straight Face (IRE) | Lost | |
| 08/05/2010 | 17:45 | Nottingham | Whipma Whopma Gate (IRE) | Lost | |
| 08/05/2010 | 19:05 | Thirsk | Follow The Flag (IRE) | Lost | |
| 15/05/2010 | 15:50 | Thirsk | Come And Go (UAE) | Lost | |
| 15/05/2010 | 18:50 | Uttoxeter | Nono Le Sage (FR) | Lost | |
| 22/05/2010 | 14:15 | Goodwood | Rileyskeepingfaith | Lost | |
| 22/05/2010 | 16:35 | Chester | Heathyards Pride | Lost | |
| 22/05/2010 | 18:25 | Lingfield | Avrilo | Lost | |
| 29/05/2010 | 16:35 | Catterick | Lucky Dan (IRE) | Lost | |
| 29/05/2010 | 17:50 | Stratford | Tiger OToole (IRE) | WON | 3.39 |
| 29/05/2010 | 21:10 | Cartmel | Mountskip | Lost | |
| 05/06/2010 | 14:15 | Hexham | Sir Frank (IRE) | Lost | |
| 05/06/2010 | 14:20 | Doncaster | Hajoum (IRE) | Lost | |
| 05/06/2010 | 16:25 | Hexham | Ardnaclancy (IRE) | WON | 12.00 |
| 05/06/2010 | 16:50 | Musselburgh | Sea Land (FR) | Lost | |
| 05/06/2010 | 18:50 | Lingfield | Timocracy | WON | 4.60 |
| 05/06/2010 | 19:05 | Newcastle | Imperial Djay (IRE) | Lost | |
| 12/06/2010 | 16:30 | Bath | Avrilo | Lost | |
| 12/06/2010 | 17:25 | York | Elijah Pepper (USA) | Lost | |
| 19/06/2010 | 14:45 | Newmarket (July) | Averoo | Lost | |
| 19/06/2010 | 15:50 | Ascot | Sir Gerry (USA) | Lost | |
| 19/06/2010 | 16:45 | Redcar | Abbondanza (IRE) | WON | 2.52 |
| 26/06/2010 | 15:40 | Newcastle | Camerooney | WON | 2.86 |
| 26/06/2010 | 16:20 | Chester | Ryan Style (IRE) | WON | 5.00 |
| 26/06/2010 | 18:20 | Lingfield | Grudge | Lost | |
| 26/06/2010 | 19:10 | Doncaster | Crianza | Lost | |
| 26/06/2010 | 19:45 | Doncaster | Methaaly (IRE) | Lost | |
| 26/06/2010 | 21:20 | Doncaster | Roman Glory (IRE) | Lost | |
| 03/07/2010 | 14:15 | Haydock | Bowdlers Magic | Lost | |
| 03/07/2010 | 15:25 | Haydock | Reve De Nuit (USA) | Lost | |
| 03/07/2010 | 15:25 | Haydock | The Fonz | Lost | |
| 03/07/2010 | 18:40 | Nottingham | Timeteam (IRE) | WON | 2.94 |
| 03/07/2010 | 19:40 | Nottingham | Silvanus (IRE) | Lost | |
| 10/07/2010 | 14:00 | York | Cornus | Lost | |
| 10/07/2010 | 14:20 | Ascot | Silly Billy (IRE) | Lost | |
| 10/07/2010 | 14:30 | York | Capponi (IRE) | WON | 4.50 |
| 10/07/2010 | 16:55 | Nottingham | Bells Ocean (USA) | Lost | |
| 10/07/2010 | 17:40 | Chester | Mejd (IRE) | WON | 4.86 |
| 10/07/2010 | 18:45 | Salisbury | Timeteam (IRE) | Lost | |
| 10/07/2010 | 20:05 | Hamilton | Monte Mayor One | Lost | |
| 17/07/2010 | 13:45 | Newbury | Measuring Time | WON | 2.11 |
| 17/07/2010 | 14:00 | Market Rasen | Pure Faith (IRE) | Lost | |
| 17/07/2010 | 15:05 | Market Rasen | To Arms | Lost | |
| 17/07/2010 | 15:20 | Newbury | Jaahiz (IRE) | Lost | |
| 17/07/2010 | 15:20 | Newbury | Bold Bidder | Lost | |
| 17/07/2010 | 16:45 | Market Rasen | Mutual Respect (IRE) | Lost | |
| 17/07/2010 | 17:15 | Newmarket (July) | Brandywell Boy (IRE) | Lost | |
| 17/07/2010 | 17:40 | Ripon | Explorator (IRE) | WON | 3.50 |
| 17/07/2010 | 20:40 | Haydock | Scottish Boogie (IRE) | Lost | |
| 24/07/2010 | 14:30 | York | Akhmatova | Lost | |
| 24/07/2010 | 14:45 | Newmarket (July) | San Cassiano (IRE) | WON | 10.50 |
| 24/07/2010 | 17:05 | Newmarket (July) | Explorator (IRE) | Lost | |
| 24/07/2010 | 17:50 | Newcastle | Ursus | Lost | |
| 24/07/2010 | 18:30 | Salisbury | Calypso Star (IRE) | Lost | |
| 24/07/2010 | 19:55 | Lingfield | Chinese Democracy (USA) | Lost | |
| 31/07/2010 | 13:55 | Goodwood | Wadnaan | Lost | |
| 31/07/2010 | 14:20 | Thirsk | Face The Problem (IRE) | WON | 1.73 |
| 31/07/2010 | 14:30 | Goodwood | San Cassiano (IRE) | Lost | |
| 31/07/2010 | 15:40 | Goodwood | Castles In The Air | Lost | |
| 31/07/2010 | 17:55 | Lingfield | Kipchak (IRE) | WON | 2.70 |
| 07/08/2010 | 14:30 | Redcar | City Of The Kings (IRE) | Lost | |
| 07/08/2010 | 16:30 | Ascot | Yorgunnabelucky (USA) | WON | 12.78 |
| 07/08/2010 | 17:45 | Haydock | Two Turtle Doves (IRE) | Lost | |
| 07/08/2010 | 18:50 | Lingfield | La Fortunata | WON | 3.91 |
| 14/08/2010 | 15:20 | Newmarket (July) | Gramercy (IRE) | Lost |
It's currently showing a profit to level stakes but I have a hunch, and that's all it is, a hunch, that increasing stakes after a losing day/losing days could improve the figures.
I'll be looking at this approach for future qualifiers.
Your comments would be appreciated.
Top2rated, I would seriously think twice about increasing stakes after a losing day, or after anyday for that matter. The distribution of winners and losers in any system like this would be completely random.
Even if an edge does exist, you are getting straight into the martingale scenario. Sooner or later you are guaranteed to hit a losing run & to tap out.
Even if an edge does exist, you are getting straight into the martingale scenario. Sooner or later you are guaranteed to hit a losing run & to tap out.
top2rated
I think we can have a very good discussion around this. Like you, off to work now, but will try to post my initial thoughts this evening to start the conversation.
I think we can have a very good discussion around this. Like you, off to work now, but will try to post my initial thoughts this evening to start the conversation.
PS - do you happen to have the BSPs of the losers readily to hand?
Artisan
I didn't twenty minutes ago but I do now
Here's the revised table......
I didn't twenty minutes ago but I do now
Here's the revised table......
| Date | Time | Course | Qualifier | Result | BSP |
| 01/05/10 | 16:15 | Newmarket (Rowley) | Jack My Boy (IRE) | WON | 22.73 |
| 01/05/10 | 17:35 | Doncaster | Russian George (IRE) | Lost | 4.80 |
| 01/05/10 | 17:40 | Goodwood | Until The Man (IRE) | Lost | 4.10 |
| 01/05/10 | 20:30 | Hexham | Thyne For Deploy (IRE) | WON | 2.16 |
| 08/05/10 | 13:55 | Nottingham | Top Bid | WON | 5.02 |
| 08/05/10 | 15:50 | Hexham | Flying Doctor | WON | 3.70 |
| 08/05/10 | 16:25 | Hexham | Cash Man (IRE) | Lost | 7.40 |
| 08/05/10 | 17:30 | Lingfield | Straight Face (IRE) | Lost | 13.88 |
| 08/05/10 | 17:45 | Nottingham | Whipma Whopma Gate (IRE) | Lost | 2.61 |
| 08/05/10 | 19:05 | Thirsk | Follow The Flag (IRE) | Lost | 11.26 |
| 15/05/10 | 15:50 | Thirsk | Come And Go (UAE) | Lost | 4.30 |
| 15/05/10 | 18:50 | Uttoxeter | Nono Le Sage (FR) | Lost | 1.87 |
| 22/05/10 | 14:15 | Goodwood | Rileyskeepingfaith | Lost | 8.22 |
| 22/05/10 | 16:35 | Chester | Heathyards Pride | Lost | 56.66 |
| 22/05/10 | 18:25 | Lingfield | Avrilo | Lost | 2.53 |
| 29/05/10 | 16:35 | Catterick | Lucky Dan (IRE) | Lost | 6.92 |
| 29/05/10 | 17:50 | Stratford | Tiger OToole (IRE) | WON | 3.39 |
| 29/05/10 | 21:10 | Cartmel | Mountskip | Lost | 2.46 |
| 05/06/10 | 14:15 | Hexham | Sir Frank (IRE) | Lost | 1.93 |
| 05/06/10 | 14:20 | Doncaster | Hajoum (IRE) | Lost | 10.91 |
| 05/06/10 | 16:25 | Hexham | Ardnaclancy (IRE) | WON | 12.00 |
| 05/06/10 | 16:50 | Musselburgh | Sea Land (FR) | Lost | 34.42 |
| 05/06/10 | 18:50 | Lingfield | Timocracy | WON | 4.60 |
| 05/06/10 | 19:05 | Newcastle | Imperial Djay (IRE) | Lost | 3.82 |
| 12/06/10 | 16:30 | Bath | Avrilo | Lost | 6.60 |
| 12/06/10 | 17:25 | York | Elijah Pepper (USA) | Lost | 19.50 |
| 19/06/10 | 14:45 | Newmarket (July) | Averoo | Lost | 8.22 |
| 19/06/10 | 15:50 | Ascot | Sir Gerry (USA) | Lost | 65.00 |
| 19/06/10 | 16:45 | Redcar | Abbondanza (IRE) | WON | 2.52 |
| 26/06/10 | 15:40 | Newcastle | Camerooney | WON | 2.86 |
| 26/06/10 | 16:20 | Chester | Ryan Style (IRE) | WON | 5.00 |
| 26/06/10 | 18:20 | Lingfield | Grudge | Lost | 6.97 |
| 26/06/10 | 19:10 | Doncaster | Crianza | Lost | 16.75 |
| 26/06/10 | 19:45 | Doncaster | Methaaly (IRE) | Lost | 16.73 |
| 26/06/10 | 21:20 | Doncaster | Roman Glory (IRE) | Lost | 7.12 |
| 03/07/10 | 14:15 | Haydock | Bowdlers Magic | Lost | 7.00 |
| 03/07/10 | 15:25 | Haydock | Reve De Nuit (USA) | Lost | 47.22 |
| 03/07/10 | 15:25 | Haydock | The Fonz | Lost | 9.40 |
| 03/07/10 | 18:40 | Nottingham | Timeteam (IRE) | WON | 2.94 |
| 03/07/10 | 19:40 | Nottingham | Silvanus (IRE) | Lost | 4.48 |
| 10/07/10 | 14:00 | York | Cornus | Lost | 10.50 |
| 10/07/10 | 14:20 | Ascot | Silly Billy (IRE) | Lost | 26.09 |
| 10/07/10 | 14:30 | York | Capponi (IRE) | WON | 4.50 |
| 10/07/10 | 16:55 | Nottingham | Bells Ocean (USA) | Lost | 13.84 |
| 10/07/10 | 17:40 | Chester | Mejd (IRE) | WON | 4.86 |
| 10/07/10 | 18:45 | Salisbury | Timeteam (IRE) | Lost | 13.39 |
| 10/07/10 | 20:05 | Hamilton | Monte Mayor One | Lost | 6.20 |
| 17/07/10 | 13:45 | Newbury | Measuring Time | WON | 2.11 |
| 17/07/10 | 14:00 | Market Rasen | Pure Faith (IRE) | Lost | 9.81 |
| 17/07/10 | 15:05 | Market Rasen | To Arms | Lost | 7.60 |
| 17/07/10 | 15:20 | Newbury | Jaahiz (IRE) | Lost | 9.01 |
| 17/07/10 | 15:20 | Newbury | Bold Bidder | Lost | 38.36 |
| 17/07/10 | 16:45 | Market Rasen | Mutual Respect (IRE) | Lost | 2.44 |
| 17/07/10 | 17:15 | Newmarket (July) | Brandywell Boy (IRE) | Lost | 11.00 |
| 17/07/10 | 17:40 | Ripon | Explorator (IRE) | WON | 3.50 |
| 17/07/10 | 20:40 | Haydock | Scottish Boogie (IRE) | Lost | 7.20 |
| 24/07/10 | 14:30 | York | Akhmatova | Lost | 6.60 |
| 24/07/10 | 14:45 | Newmarket (July) | San Cassiano (IRE) | WON | 10.50 |
| 24/07/10 | 17:05 | Newmarket (July) | Explorator (IRE) | Lost | 2.00 |
| 24/07/10 | 17:50 | Newcastle | Ursus | Lost | 6.40 |
| 24/07/10 | 18:30 | Salisbury | Calypso Star (IRE) | Lost | 1.59 |
| 24/07/10 | 19:55 | Lingfield | Chinese Democracy (USA) | Lost | 4.23 |
| 31/07/10 | 13:55 | Goodwood | Wadnaan | Lost | 6.25 |
| 31/07/10 | 14:20 | Thirsk | Face The Problem (IRE) | WON | 1.73 |
| 31/07/10 | 14:30 | Goodwood | San Cassiano (IRE) | Lost | 25.11 |
| 31/07/10 | 15:40 | Goodwood | Castles In The Air | Lost | 19.36 |
| 31/07/10 | 17:55 | Lingfield | Kipchak (IRE) | WON | 2.70 |
| 07/08/10 | 14:30 | Redcar | City Of The Kings (IRE) | Lost | 5.87 |
| 07/08/10 | 16:30 | Ascot | Yorgunnabelucky (USA) | WON | 12.78 |
| 07/08/10 | 17:45 | Haydock | Two Turtle Doves (IRE) | Lost | 6.40 |
| 07/08/10 | 18:50 | Lingfield | La Fortunata | WON | 3.91 |
| 14/08/10 | 15:20 | Newmarket (July) | Gramercy (IRE) | Lost | 3.81 |
Artisan
You asked if I could give an example of a system that
increases the stake after a loss that is not doomed
to fail
Yes , a controlled or regulated system
and this is how I try to achieve this
1st of all I look for 3 main things when entering
into a system.
1) Steady Strike Rate
2) Steady Steady Price (Risk)
3) Obtaining a level staking profit
This is very very hard - however its what I try to do
I then work out my ranges of ROI and broadly I
try to achieve a mid target.
However I only start "moving" my staking UP and DOWN when
I go out of my minimum & maximum targets
So for example , lets say I have a mid target
of 6% - with say bottom & top ranges 2% either side
of.
So basically , I can reduce my staking because I feel the system
is over performng , or increase if it's under performing
AND IT'S NOT JUST BASED ON FINANCE.
Usually , I make my adjustments only after
10% of my total bets ( based on 3 season moving
averages ) have gone
I only bet on trends , bit like the guy who started
betting on the DRAWS in the EPL last season as
he felt a correction was coming.
You asked if I could give an example of a system that
increases the stake after a loss that is not doomed
to fail
Yes , a controlled or regulated system
and this is how I try to achieve this
1st of all I look for 3 main things when entering
into a system.
1) Steady Strike Rate
2) Steady Steady Price (Risk)
3) Obtaining a level staking profit
This is very very hard - however its what I try to do
I then work out my ranges of ROI and broadly I
try to achieve a mid target.
However I only start "moving" my staking UP and DOWN when
I go out of my minimum & maximum targets
So for example , lets say I have a mid target
of 6% - with say bottom & top ranges 2% either side
of.
So basically , I can reduce my staking because I feel the system
is over performng , or increase if it's under performing
AND IT'S NOT JUST BASED ON FINANCE.
Usually , I make my adjustments only after
10% of my total bets ( based on 3 season moving
averages ) have gone
I only bet on trends , bit like the guy who started
betting on the DRAWS in the EPL last season as
he felt a correction was coming.
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