General Betting Forum

OR..................................dont read them !!!!!

There is no need for any of them really, as said many times there is Notepad/wordpad on every windows PC or millions of places online to keep a record if they want to do it that way.

Attention seeking is only reason they do it, they wont do it in competitions etc because the threads wont get the same responses (be it positive or negative) dont know why these people feel they are so different to everyone else, just imgaine if every user posted every bet on here although its starting to feel that way.

each to his own MASSIVE, i still find this forum far and away the most interesting to read..
still plenty of 'good' advice available and decent threads..
the football forum has degenerated though.. apart from the usual logical posters.
There will always be 'watch my bets' threads ( inc. my own ! ) they are no harm, if you dont like em , just skip over them or provide some 'constructive criticism' ....

Dont read them is a shocking cop out, these forums (believe it or not) really were once good with genuine punters chatting.. Most stopped posting a long long time ago there is no point trawling through the threads.

Five By Five 08 Nov 10:56
Attention seeking is only reason they do it


it's not actually lol i find the fear of public ridicule helps focus the mind even more than the fear of losing money :D

but a fair point about using the your competitions phorum. i had thought freds recycled quite quickly there and one reason for starting one on here was to avoid having to bump the fred every day. i'll go do mine on there if it offends so much :(

This forum used to be head and shoulders above the rest, now we just get sad lonely moaners with nothing better to do than complain about people listing their bets on a betting forum...how dare they.

I think the simple answer is dont read them like someone else has stated..I have a thread running, not seeking attention, couldnt care less if anyone read it or not,but if someone has constructive comments to make then feel free.

As for your comments about using word pad, why when you can do the same thing on the forum of the site yourbetting on.

Go and find something else to moan about.

Perhaps i should post my daily shopping list on here as well... well why not since i'm on here anyway. Exactly no-one cares but incase they did today i need Milk and some chicken breasts.

22AA

There have been 40 threads since yesterday and 20 of them are**challenge threads. They've taken over and ruined what's was a good forum.

And for the people who say skip through them is it okay if I put football threads on the Politics forum as they could also be easily "skipped through"?

Totally agree with GOM. There should be stricter control of this forum.

It would be better renamed the PC Whinge forum. There is no place for debate on betfair any more. More depressiungly, there is no point to debate on betfair any more. No one is listening.

Quite correct people like get on massive, will argue till there blue in the face they are correct, when in fact they have, just an opinion, some agree some dont...

GOM- 'hello is that betfair...people are discussing things I dont agree with on the forums'

Betfair-'there right you are sad'

Click
Brrrrrrrrrr.

So you want me to have a thread on a place with this type of topic title

example:

PREMIER DIVISION SELECTIONS for SUNDAY ( Optional ) bosstipper 6 08 Nov 11:45
DIVISION 3 SELECTIONS FOR SUNDAY (OPTIONAL) Mark Sloan 10 08 Nov 11:30
DIVISION 1 SELECTIONS For SUNDAY ( Optional ) PRODELLBOY 9 08 Nov 11:08
DIVISION 2 SELECTIONS FOR SUNDAY (OPTIONAL) grendel 8 08 Nov 11:08
ProBettingBot Ver 0.31 now RELEASED !!! esoGroup1 1 08 Nov 09:57

TEAM TIPSTER COMP 2009 - NOV Week 2 - News & Scores undecided 5 07 Nov 23:25
TEAM TIPSTER COMP 2009 - NOV Week 2 - Selections Div 2 undecided 3 07 Nov 22:57
TEAM TIPSTER COMP 2009 - NOV Week 2 - Selections Div 1 undecided 3 07 Nov 22:56
TEAM TIPSTER COMP 2009 - NOV Week 1 - News & Scores


Comparing this with the example of "Five By Five" of the shopping list, this is not a shopping list this are threads that have the shopping list divided into every individual item by weight,color,etc etc

come on, give me a break

I had one in the Football forum but the amount of topics generated daily is so big that you have to keep going to "fred77" to bring back the thread

Surely a 'challenge' can be a good source of debate in itself ??

I have been here for a few years now and never opened the competitions forum to see what it is all about. A good plan from Betfair, I now see. Don't these challenge people just need pointing in the right direction whenever they open a new competition fred?

Kwijibo 08 Nov 12:10
Surely a 'challenge' can be a good source of debate in itself ??



Debate yes but rarely good debate.

I agree with 'good value users' comments, it was the only reason why I have done it and it definitely helped me to focus and do it more successfully.

all I would say is try it and you will see.

Alex the old wrinkled retainer 08 Nov 12:26
Kwijibo 08 Nov 12:10
Surely a 'challenge' can be a good source of debate in itself ??



Debate yes but rarely good debate.

isnt it like that everywhere? from television to whatever

you find one gem from time to time the rest is b.s.

Lusitano71, maybe. An interesting anaolgy. But the General Forum is like Panorama or radio 4 in comparison to most other forums that can be likened to Big Brother.

look i agree that this part of BF forum is one of the best, but that doesnt mean that in a challenge thread you cannot have a sound and interesting exchange of ideas

of course that after a while the subject itself is exhausted by the simple fact that the rules dont allow much more discussion, it is what it is

Lusitano71 08 Nov 13:22
look i agree that this part of BF forum is one of the best, but that doesnt mean that in a challenge thread you cannot have a sound and interesting exchange of ideas





Good, we agree.

Bump an intelligent exchange of ideas deriving from a challenge fred and I will contribute. But in the meantime there is a Competitions forum which at least 99.9% of these types of fred ought to be created.

99.9% of what i see in the "Your Competitions" section should be in the "Tips and Selections" section (wich obviously should exist)

i hardly see one challenge at all

so my thread stays here period

end of discussion for me

Of all betting forums around this is simply the worst for the cynicism on offer from those who are too arrogant to talk about their approach but all too quick to criticise others. I remember a few years back plenty of decent posts being swamped by the old school brigade ridiculing people's efforts. Those posters have long since left. You don't see that on EBA, OLBG or Punters Lounge but you do get posts properly moderated to cut out the juvenile nonsense.

If the football forum wasn't largely blighted by the moronic rantings of the resident imbeciles then football related challenges would be posted there for sure. Perhaps that's where the efforts should be directed rather than targeting a few people who are at least posting betting related topics here?

Five By Five 08 Nov 10:56

There is no need for any of them really, as said many times there is Notepad/wordpad on every windows PC or millions of places online to keep a record if they want to do it that way

But when they complete the Challenge and come on here to tel us they will be accused of aftertiming.

A lot of bedwetters on this thread.

Maurice365 08 Nov 15:25
A lot of bedwetters on this thread.


Ah, Maurice, there is a man I recognise from old. How do you mean exactly?

I agree with most of what Get On Massive has said.The exception is the Schalke bit ,he once moved one of his challenge threads over to the Financials forum but soon came back when he realised no one was sla*ging him off over there.Competitons forum is the perfect place for these challenges.

People p*ssing their pants over something that doesn't matter a damn.

"This forum should be how I want it to be and not what anyone else wants."

Is the answer to ask betfair to rename "Competitions" to "Challenges"?

I am simply thinking aloud.

Thanks Maurice. I am sort of, almost with you on your thoughts on this.

I believe we should have a '£10 to whatever style' forum.
Because I can understand the frustrations of those forumites who have to trawl through endless 'challenge' threads.
I also believe the 'Chit chat' forum should be seperated in to a 'Chit chat Forum' and a 'Quiz Forum' for exactly the same reason.
But when I raised this issue (of a seperate thread for Quizes on Chit chat) I was shot down in flames by chit chatting Quiz nerds.
At least raising the issue on General Betting Forum releases a calmer set of replies. :)

Agree fully with the OP

agree 100%.

don't mind the schalke 04 threads for sheer comedy value but the other dross should be taken to football or some other forum.

this has always been the only forum for decent discussion of bet.

bobby these quizzes are surely pointless in this age of google?

I agree bobby, all thats needed is a challenges forum,the thing is ALL challenges would have to be put there, not just the '10 to whatever' ones. And the problem there is you interesting discussions could get lost in that forum as opposed to being here.

edit : And the problem there is interesting discussions could get lost in that forum as opposed to being here.

It's so easy to skip over the challenges threads and ignore them totally.
So where's the problem exactly ?
Is it a question of people being too lazy to sort the wheat from the chaff ?
Can't really see why having challenge threads here or anywhere else should stop someone, anyone, from creating an interesting subject for debate.
It's only a problem if a good thread is hijacked by a challenger type poster.

There is a around 145 threads visible on the page around 15-20 are challenges...hardly a problem is it gents.

Anyone posting £10 to £1000 is a complete moron waste of space well done get on massive this forum is boring full of spam and idiots posting their silly systems i mean 1.01 to 1.02 ffs this is beyond pathetic obviously most people lose etc and they have every right to a opinion but dont spout your inane drivel/bets for all to read, its all well and good muppets saying ooooooh you dont have to read them but the level of posting is embarassing, if i was a break even/ losing punter i would show the respect of not offering my dumb irrelevant opinion to any discussion as it clearly is of 0 importance.

Just for the totally thick dont post your stupid meaningless bets

ty

Narrow minded people just makes me sick to my stomach

You're pointing the fingers at us that do challenges when you should be aiming those fingers at betfair, they are the responsable people behind this

The bottom line is ... all Forum sections are pure sh!t, it's badly conceived and it gives no chance to people

My question is... have you ever seen a forum like this? i havent

i love the way this Forum is graphically presented, 5 stars there (one of the best imo)

but apart from that we need:

- Administrator and Moderators (or this is pure anarchy)
- a search tool
- carefully planned subdivisions of each sport and groups (not the "all in the same boat" mess we have)

so start aiming your frustations to the right place and stop acting like the self-proclaimed moderators

So why is this thread in General Betting?

On the other hand, it keepsthe masses happy :)

FINE AS FROG HAIR 08 Nov 20:31
It's so easy to skip over the challenges threads and ignore them totally.
So where's the problem exactly ?
Is it a question of people being too lazy to sort the wheat from the chaff ?
Can't really see why having challenge threads here or anywhere else should stop someone, anyone, from creating an interesting subject for debate.
It's only a problem if a good thread is hijacked by a challenger type poster.

Your contradicting yourself , if its so easy to skip over the challenge threads then why isnt easy to skp the challenger type posters if theyre hijacking a thread.

Going by people arguments for them type threads here, it seems like a forum can be a free for all for any type topic, if thats the case whats the point in even seperating any forums for any topic.
The point is they are annoying and you have to go and try and find a decent thread because they are everywhere.

No the point is Lusitano is that publicly posting one's bets for whatever reason is narrow minded, in the sense that you would think that anyone else has the slightest interset in them.
As far as the point that it helps you or at least some of you apparently to exercise some discipline in your betting well, if true, that is really a sorry state of affairs that would be best left private, don't you think ?

adriandc

thats the job of moderators, they either delete them or move them

is betfair so poor to the point of not being able to do this??'

Not reall adrianc.
Skipping over challenger type posts within a good thread is an entirely different matter imo.
It could be an extremely annoying matter and grossly unnecessary to have to do.

What's to moderate Lusitano ?.
A challenge thread is a challenge thread, end of.
Most people hate em, a minority insists on posting them ad nauseam.
The majority should rule on any forum on matters such as this.
We don't need BF to decide on this for us.
You're obviously to young to understand these types of things.
Probably too young even to be really betting seriously ? I don't know, because I haven't bothered to look at any of your bets. I wonder why ?

YOULITTLEBOTTY

who are you to set the level of interest of all people that go around here

i bet that right after you were born you started running, right???

No comprendo senor.

skipping the part of learning to walk.....better

if someone is willing to lead the clueless into a 'system' that involves betting short odds then the least we can do is avoid a few posts so they can pay for our holidays

I agree with everything Lusitano71 said

Have to say I agree with the original post. All of the challenge threads are posted by attention seekers. Would you not get a warm enough feeling from turing £10 in £25k in 20 easy steps and just keep it to yourself?

Have to admit I don't bother opening a thread with something like this in the title. They are boring.

This is the only forum where there is any decent communication about betting and that is what it should be used for. Perhaps an Attention Seekers forum could be introduced and they could all go there.

I appreciate the comments of others, I am new to the forums joined last month, and it has been common place to me so far on the General Betting forum that challenges are posted.
Its not about attention seeking, or being 'thick' as one poster put it.

I am a moderator on a well known internet forum, pprune, a very busy forum, in comparison this forum is very basic and there are no explanations under the forum titles to explain or set out the nature of the forum and threads within.

Maybe Betfair could look at the developement of the forums and bring them in line with others out there.

One thing I have learnt though is no matter what, people will always diagree, nature of the beast I suppose, some just do it more respectfuly than others, whos narrow mindedness only lets them type abuse behind the comfort of a being anonymous, Im sure if we all having the discussion face to face over a pint the conversation would be somewhat different.

Nope not really.
I still would say exactly the same thing in a pub, unless of course you were bigger than me.

Paddy, the key issue for me is that this is a general betting forum not one for people to indulge themselves and bore others senseless.

People should (in theory) be talking about betting issues not "Can I turn £10 on whatever by lumping all winnings onto the next selection thereby making the achievement of the objective a virtual mathematical impossibility?" It's just a waste of time, for both the authors of the threads and those who read it.

Thanks Dave, maybe the challenge guys are bored senseless of your discussions/threads...as I said there will always be disagreement and the forums need developement if they are to eliminate the issues raised.

Without guidance then people new to the forums like myself,just follow and expand on what is already there within them.

Well if they were bored with my posting on the general forum then they would only have themselves to blame for losing or not winning as much as they could. I always try to use this place to help people if I can. Check out the thread below started by One Barry Robson, about not being able to make money on here. You will see that I try to help in a contructive manner if I can.

I know it's dangerous to generalise, but I would suggest that challenge threads are basically created by people who are either insecure or immature or both.
So unless you have a general rule that says that this forum is only for mature and secure people, I don't see how the problem can be resolved.
As far as the opinion that people new to the forum will simply follow the lead of any and all others on here. Well that simply doesn't stand up at all imo.

Of course it stands up, people join the forum to discuss and join in with what is already there.

Look guys if this offends, then I have been unaware till now, as I have joined the General Betting forum with a challenge as others have, as its been the place to do it, I didn't know otherwise and maybe others have not to.

I have my normal run of the mill bets and trades which I dont post, but started a challenge with loose change to tidy up an account.

So what do we do, only post what is approved? and who approves?

Paddy mate, I'm cool whatever, I'll just not be reading it! And to be fair, I think it is the sort of activity that would detract from your serious business on here. Just my opinion.

You sound like a bit of a lemming Paddy.
A nice polite one though.
GL with your loose change bets, though I'm not the slightest bit interested in your progress.
Rgds

This "old" guys make me laugh

like this guy here (the old shrewdie from 2000):

curlywurly 08 Nov 21:10
if someone is willing to lead the clueless into a 'system' that involves betting short odds then the least we can do is avoid a few posts so they can pay for our holidays

he points out the failing of the system, yet, what does he give back "NADA", "ZERO" and i must take is word for it

it´s the same as saying here is the result of the equation but forget about the way i got it

well i at least know one story of a guy that made an incredible amount of money making one tick bets, yet he claims its impossible

no reasoning whatsoever, for instance,i could argue that it can be made for the first stages of betting but then you need to change to some other style, they always think that the guy thats doing this wants to go from £10 to a million using only that system or even that he has a million on is head and not a reasonable fixed amount per month, etc, etc

been here fulltime for the last 13 months and have yet too see this old shrewdies coming in with some valuable info straight forward, the only way i know is by picking bits and pieces here and there

you need to squeeze a ton to get a gram over here... and thats the pure truth

Its probably the fact us 'oldies' have seen it attempted 1million and 1 times and they all end the same way eventually, betting incredibly low odds obviously your going to get a lot of winners but the loser will hit you as has been seen and proven time and time again.

An interesting discusion and some good points from both sides, Il ignore the lemming comment ;-)

what about the layers who lay the bets/tips posted? how would they survive?

Looks like Lusitano has to learn the hard way.
He must have ears but he just doesn't want to seem to use them.
God I feel old.

he could argue that it can be made for the first stages of betting but then you need to change to some other style, they always think that the guy thats doing this wants to go from £10 to a million using only that system or even that he has a million on is head and not a reasonable fixed amount per month, etc, etc

i guess this is the part you forgot to read, you're either dumb or you have a very selective memory, i hope its the later

by the way im 38 years old and one of my sons is already in college, my friend my resumé goes a long way more than just gambling and betting

As I thought.
You're a mere whippersnapper.
I've reread all your comments and I conclude either I or you must be dumb.
I'll go first and say it must be me.
Gracious and humble eh ?
That's me. Oh and not so old after all.

If you took away the ''challenges'' perhaps the ''Premiuum Charge'' threads, also ''the I'm going full time'' threads, there would be would be nothing left.

General used to be a better read. The number of new posts have dropped off extensively that deal with the "gears" that keep the betting machine turning.

On a positive note, since betfair made it necessary that you have a balance to post and the exodus of the few to the world of purple, alot of the negative characters have disappeared.

I used to learn from a good portion of the threads. Now the opposite (and not because I have stopped wanting to learn. It is always ongoing).

I find alot of the "challenge threads" depressing since most just hilite a perception of betting that keeps the bookies in business. As well, it shows the negative side to internet betting (again, something that saved the bookies).

I've gotten to the point of ignoring some threads which cuts down on the mid-morning scan for reading.

Right now, the only "challenge" thread I follow with interest is not because of the possible end result but because I feel it offers possible selections with value is the "evens" thread. I think I've played around 3 or 4 plays after looking at the leads but nice to see a thread that has dished up level stake profits while looking for 1/1 plays instead of 1/25 shots.

As the second poster said, "ignore them" is the first step. The second, and possibly more important step, is to contribute positive topics to the GF that will get the round circle going.

What can betfair do? : They can put up a counter on the threads showing the number of times they are read. When a poster putting up 1.02 bets realizes that they are the only ones reading, they will stop posting.

There are maybe 35/36 categories for people to post under.Without these, it would be impossible to find a way through. So, for, those who say just ignore threads if they are on the wrong forum, that is not the point. It makes life easier for everyone if some kind of order is imposed. The fact that many posters have no any self-disclipline is a problem as is the fact that the sub-contracted moderators don't want to take this on board as their problem.

We queue because it is better than not queuing. We file according to alphabet because its easier to find things than filing any fashion. It is self-evident that life is made better by having forum categories. All we have to do is exercise out little grey cells a little.

It must be obvious to the moderator of the forum that these challenge threads have a rightful home in the Your Competitions section. So why can't he just move them there?

Same thing for threads about football and horse racing that just appear on here because they'd quickly drop off the bottom of these other forums.

I am the one and only223, at one point, some of us sent an email to betfair requesting they move them to competitions since essentially the forum was riddled with people "playing with themselves" :D

For days after, 1.01 posters will wandering aimlessly looking for their threads. It was rather amusing till people from competitions complained because they didn't take the 1.01's seriously.

Essentially, 1.01 challengers are the gypsies of the forum.

On a brighter note, it seems the moderator removed the threads about betfair education nights at some exchange shop that was charging. Obviously not endorsed by betfair towers.

I imagine all those partaking in the challenge threads are avid x-factor voters.....

Funny realy, without the 1.01 02 03 ..etc backers, then people couldnt lay, there has to be the backers for bets to take place, otherwise there would be so many markets with no bets matched.

I take it, its the threads as opposed to the backers that are causing the upset?

Not gypsies, if you can earn 1% + a day thats better interest than any banks or their products are paying.

paddy's revenge.......

This thread has very little (if anything) to do with resentment of short odds backers.

You can't unconditionally earn 1% a day.
You mean you might earn it some days, but never every day, not unless you chase losses.
And we all know where that ends.

No it could be 5 % a day...look for most its a bit of fun, I enjoyed it, enjoyed reading others to, but if it offends then Il call it a day, its not that important to me that I need to upset fellow forum readers for the sake of a few pound, for me its been a break from the numptys on the football forum to, if you realy want to see caos and abuse of the forum head over there.....gl all

You are quite right, there's too many threads on Geenral Betting which should not be here.
I wish the moderators would move them like they do on other forums.

still the best forum, where else can you get your**of feck and the magician

GOM and Sandown. You guys coming to the Christmas drinks this year ?
Hope you both are doing OK. How was the tennis this year GOM ? My algos are still churning away but at a lower margin this year. However, I've developed a new tennis algo which is doing great :) Not in-play GOM, so not on your territory....

Sadly not, not dr who.

See my apology on the thread. Age-related reasons. Have a good one.