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Does anyone remember the rise and demise of that team better than I, who came to Liverpool on a boat in '65?

My closest brother took up Liverpool just before the Cup Final, but time proved his the better lifetime choice.

I remember Barry Davies reporting c '69: "..for Everton, it is just a matter of time, of that I am sure." A bit pompous but Everton did win the League in 1970. Yet were never the team to beat. That was Leeds, and before them Manchester United and after Leeds, Liverpool. What went wrong? Harry Catterick was always in the shadow of Bill Shankly but Liverpool went forward with their next manager.

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By:
jimnast
When: 29 Dec 25 18:44
Interesting post biscuits Arsenal won the double in 71 which wasn’t as common back then but yes Everton did seem to go away quietly.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 29 Dec 25 18:54
Memory serves, Panathanaikos knocked us out in the qf of the European Cup, to which point
Everton had only stumbled through via two draws with Moenchengladbach.

After Arsenal served up the double, Johan Cryuff and Ajax destroyed Panathanaikos at Wembley. It was the coming to success of a new way of football - in tandem with the decline of the English national team and its club-sides (England not even making the '74 World Cup).

So maybe it was part of a wider malaise.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Dec 25 18:58
I had Alan ball football boots

White, and I loved them, and made me play better
than the massive boats not boots I'd been used to.

Everton just missed out to those three and arsenal,
but Busby and reevie and shankly were genius managers
so far ahead of the game back then.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Dec 25 18:59
England fell apart as club rivalries took hold,,
And of course Scotland were very strong in that era
By:
jimnast
When: 29 Dec 25 19:00
Very few had even heard of panathankos back then and now we have 2 generations who wouldn’t know how good Ajax were.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Dec 25 19:03
Ajax changed football.

Rinus Michael's leads us onto pep.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Dec 25 19:04
Michels
By:
The Dragon
When: 29 Dec 25 19:06
i remember watchng harvey ball and kendall at goodison in the 60,s called the school of science. they were top notch.

reasons for the decline... they never moved on after that peiod until kendall came manager..had an upsurge and then declined mostly ever .

i like your brother madethe wise choice of following livepool afer my dad whoplayedfor liverppol boys and was tried to be signed on by shankley.

all my mums side of the family were/are evertonians despite the fact hat they only lived avbout 3 miles apart in norris green.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 29 Dec 25 19:09

Dec 29, 2025 -- 6:58PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


I had Alan ball football bootsWhite, and I loved them, and made me play betterthan the massive boats not boots I'd been used to.Everton just missed out to those three and arsenal,but Busby and reevie and shankly were genius managersso far ahead of the game back then.


Ha ha I wanted them but Santa had other ideas ..

Alan Ball hated them apparently, and took to painting regular boots white to fulfil his contract. But he was always a bit insecure about his finances, Lester Piggott could have had the same Dad.

You're right about Ajax. For the first time, as a watching adolescent, one thought that what they doing was just unfair. But Ajax had outstanding players and one genius to cut through opposition like Bayern Munich, Inter Milan and Real Madrid.

By:
jimnast
When: 29 Dec 25 19:12
Both Ajax and Bayern won 3 on the bounce I think if both met at there strongest Bayern would have won .
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 29 Dec 25 19:12
Did the bottle finally get Kendall, The Dragon?

It never is as good as the first time ..
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 29 Dec 25 19:14

Dec 29, 2025 -- 7:12PM, jimnast wrote:


Both Ajax and Bayern won 3 on the bounce I think if both met at there strongest Bayern would have won .


I don't think even Beckenbauer would say that, jimnast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHhO-7H90pc

By:
jimnast
When: 29 Dec 25 19:18
I can’t get them YouTube links biscuits what did he say ?
By:
jimnast
When: 29 Dec 25 19:18
Beckenbauer was a very modest man
By:
TCat
When: 29 Dec 25 19:26
The Everton team that won the League in 1985 had a good chance of winning the European Cup if we hadn't been banned. They were a fine side.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Dec 25 19:27
Ajax played bayern in early 70s, won 4-0, then small loss away.

Bayern likely improved and German team spirit would
always counter Dutch individual genius to level
the playing field.

Der bomber levelled it even more as he was deadly


Then Germany mugged Holland in 1974 World cup
By:
jimnast
When: 29 Dec 25 19:35
Tcat

Great Everton side that don’t think they carried anyone
By:
jimnast
When: 29 Dec 25 19:37
Jack Taylor awards a penalty after about 1 minute in the hosts stadium in a World Cup final
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 29 Dec 25 19:38

Dec 29, 2025 -- 7:18PM, jimnast wrote:


Beckenbauer was a very modest man


It was a European Cup qf Ajax 4 Bayern 0


I remember the '74 World Cup final. Beckenbauer was a great player to have on your team but wasn't a rival to Cruyff in terms of what he could do on a football pitch.

Contenders for the world's greatest player rarely big-up their rivals, even if they precede them by decades: Pele and Maradona would never cede their place to each other, neither would Messi and Ronaldo. Pele feted George Best as the greatest player in the world but only when he knew he wasn't a rival.

By:
jimnast
When: 29 Dec 25 19:49
Pele was right
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 29 Dec 25 19:51
Well, see, that's why Pele said it, because it can't be backed up..
By:
The Dragon
When: 29 Dec 25 20:02
i reckon so UB
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 29 Dec 25 20:15
After Ajax came along it seemed ridiculous that Everton - the so-called  "school of science" - relied on a big, burly centre forward in Joe Royle. Then Bob Latchford, who was even less talented. 

Was the football club then still intimidated by the figure of their all-time greatest former player sitting in the stand?
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 29 Dec 25 20:58
Till a few months ago, we lived round the corner from Colin. Saw him most mornings walking the dog. Nice fella, bit unsteady on his feet now but probably escaped more unscathed than most from a professional sports career.. Seems mad that we now live in a house that's worth more than his. Something wrong when there are so many absolute nobodies in the game nowadays earning untold millions when you have a true Everton all time great in a nice detached house that's a fraction of the size and value of Tsimikas's house about 500 yards away. He's far too decent to say it himself, but there must be days when he's consumed with rage that his generation missed out on so much that the later ones take for granted.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 29 Dec 25 21:06
Yes absolutely, P&P.

Particularly glaring with today's new tactics of playing for the set-piece. Incredible wages, all the gear, no idea.

England going the same way under Tuchel.
By:
DixieDean60
When: 29 Dec 25 21:36
Alan Ball's transfer to Arsenal in December 1971 came completely out of the blue (pun intended). Evertonians were dismayed at the news. I was a primary school lad at the time and it completely ruined my Xmas !!

Alan did not want to go, it was all done without his knowledge. Manager Harry Catterick saw it purely as a business transaction - the fee was a British record at the time (£250k) and Everton were getting double what they paid for Alan after six very good years. Sod the fact that the supporters loved him and Alan loved the club just as much.

The 70's were to say the least up and down for the club. Often looking very average but also a couple of good seasons, including  74/75 when they really should have won the league in what was an incredibly tight division, but somehow managing to lose home and away to Carlisle who finished bottom of the league. Derby won the league with 53 points, Everton finished 4th with 50 points.  The top seven were only separated by five points.

Given the excellent championship winning teams of 1970 and the mid 80s, it seems strange to say that my favourite season to actually watch the toffees was 1977/78 under
Gordon Lee , Dave Thomas brilliant on the wing,  setting up many of Bob Latchford's 30 league goals, in midfield Duncan McKenzie , Andy King, Martin Dobson. A very entertaining team.

At Easter that season they had to play on Good Friday , Saturday and Easter Monday (3 games in 4 days) due to fixture congestion. And they won ALL THREE, 2 nil away at Newcastle,      2 Nil at home to Leeds then 2-1 away at Man Utd.  And they only made one change to the starting line up all weekend !  Bob L scored in each game.  I wonder what the likes of Pep and Arteta would have to say about having to do similar today ?
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 29 Dec 25 22:00
Not sure Alan Ball ever played against Johan Cruyff .. Ball wasn't much senior but it was like they represented different eras.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Dec 25 22:10
Cruiff played v England in 1970...0-0

Ball didn't play... Injured? Colin Bell played.


Cruiff again played v England in 1977 Holland stuffed us 2-0
no Alan ball whos last England cap was 1975
By:
DixieDean60
When: 29 Dec 25 22:11
UB - You were a bit unfair on Bob Latchford earlier, not many players scored 30 league goals in a season back in the 70s  !
He had a knack of being in the right place at the right time, 138 goals in all competitions makes him third on EFC's ALL TIME list of goal scorers, only my illustrious namesake and Graeme Sharp are above him.
By:
DixieDean60
When: 29 Dec 25 22:21
Vancouver Whitecaps v LA Aztecs 1979 National Conference Semi final -  Ball V Cruyff ?
By:
penzance
When: 29 Dec 25 22:27
He had 2 brothers who were keepers.Peter,can't think of the other,played in Scotland.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Dec 25 22:28
Dave latchford played for birmingham
By:
Stringvest
When: 29 Dec 25 23:42
TREBILCO Cool
By:
DixieDean60
When: 30 Dec 25 00:20
The first black (mixed heritage) player  to score in an FA Cip final String !

Amazingly he only played 11 league games for EFC.  Thank god he was playing on that great day otherwise i could have ended up a Sheffield Wednesday fan Laugh
That was one thing Harry Catterick did get right, picking Mike instead of the prolific Fred Pickering that day. Very few agreed with him but fair play it was an inspired selection.
By:
jimnast
When: 30 Dec 25 07:14
Am I right in thinking a daily newspaper put up a bonus if anyone scored 30 league goals in a season which latchford achieved ?
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 30 Dec 25 11:28
And of course we must remember Alan Ball's greatest contribution to our culture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MYXl0Q3k38



Alan Bawl: Going down, Going down little Franny Lee,
     Down to division three,
     We`ve only one lad who isn`t half bad,
     And that`s little George Kinkladze.

     And at first the crowd roared,
     But now they`re just bored,
     They go la la la la la, la la la la lee,
     This is the ballad of Franny Lee.

Franny Lee: I can`t go down and I won`t go down,
     I`ve spent twelve million quid on city,
     Of the money I`ve made in the bog paper trade,
AB:  Well bloody hell, don`t blame me.

     And at first the crowd roared,
     But now they`re just bored,
     They go la la la la la, la la la la lee,
     Bring me the head of Franny Lee.

FL:  Call yourself a manager you little toss pot,
     Your voice hasn`t broke and your balls haven`t dropped,
     You won the world cup in your stupid white boots,
     Now you turn up for work in flat caps and shell suits.

AB:  Now here`s a home truth you puddin-basin-haired twonk,
     Deeply ironic it is,
     From that profitable caper wholesaling bog paper,
     You`ve landed us deep in the siht.

     And at first the crowd roared,
     But now they`re just bored,
     They go la la la la la, la la la la lee,
     The King of the kippax is Franny Lee
     They go la la la la la, la la la la lee,     
     King of the **** house is Franny Lee.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 30 Dec 25 13:53
Iirc the 30 goal thing was sponsored by a national newspaper
and gained traction via match of the day.

Quite a huge thing at the time.
By:
DixieDean60
When: 31 Dec 25 00:18
Daily Express put up the £10k for any player to get 30 league goals, Franny Lee had been the last to do so 5 years earlier.

Everton were playing Chelsea in the last game of the season, Bob needed two goals to get the cash. He scored his first after 72 minutes and then with ten minutes left the toffees were "awarded" a penalty which the big man hammered past Peter "the Cat" Bonetti to hit the 30 mark and secure the loot. He was not a regular penalty taker funnily enough. Final score was 6-0 !

Half the winnings went to the PFA benevolence fund and Bob shared the other half with his team mates, leaving him with the princely sum of £192 for his efforts.
And he was chased by the Inland Revenue for ages for a chunk of the winnings, which probably left him out of pocket Laugh
By:
jimnast
When: 31 Dec 25 07:58
Thanks Dixie a good read
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