Why are English football coaches such C****

Is this because of the Palace result ?

Hope this doesn’t include Sam Allardycci

I met a FA coach in the southwest about 12 years ago , he told me that Messi at that time in the peak of his career would struggle in the premier league. No idea what he based that on , certainly watching a different player than I was .

He wouldn’t have signed Messi and said he was too small 

Loui, pretty much is comments , the fact that Messi was incredibly strong ,quick and a  brilliant dribbler counted for nothing . I wonder how much British talent has been lost because of fools like that.

In the 70s it was all about physical strength rather than pure skill and talent, that’s why England became  a joke team . Huffing and puffing

Liverpool won the European Cup twice in the seventies, as did Forest with Liverpool and Villa winning the first two of the eighties.  Six in a row for England.  They all had a blend of skill, pace AND physique.  As I recall the clubs that were all physique won very little.
Loads of people wouldn’t have signed Messi.  In retrospect we all would have!
The greatest managers in history didn’t have coaching badges, FA or otherwise.  They all have them now and every season three FA Badge ( or UEFA equivalent ) managed clubs get relegated.  They’re just about worthless in my view.

To be a top manager,imo,you need a blend of skilful players and those who can put it about...
But more importantly,again imo,you need players who are committed to the club and you as a manager, as in they trust you to the end
You need to ge a top motivator,your coaches can do the tactics bit
Do you think Cloughie needed badges?

Need to speak
Spanish and Portuguese too

i believe there just easier to sack , micheal beale for example he looks at a job and they ask too much of them , like when its going good its ok but when it aint they get sacked quick like that west ham dude managers sweden now searched - graham potter.

sam allerdice he rolled to many dices - people set standards and its hard to go against standard standardtisity , david moyes at united was it a fair chance ? in my op in yan --- the old guard of ses fab re gas is rocket fuel at como , what hes done there is brilliant how they play is top stuff - have u saw como play ? there in seria a just promoted hes doin good stuff there

shef wed manager got promoted from 4-0 in the first leg and got sacked , darren moore hes english i believe

the best managers have a back seat first i reckon , hope it doesngt happen but alan irvine musta stacked up thousands of games and made a dent in his seat , but there just that hard to come by and steadier and get less blame as assistants ! ...?

We are returning to the kick fest

Decent footballers looking abroad, stone cold Steve Austin,
the rock, and John cena looking to get a game in Premier league.

The EPL is not so much a British league any more. More like the world's league.
The old fashioned British mentality of going down the boozer and going down the bookies is a total waste of time with so many overseas players from different backgrounds.
I remember there was a story about Harry Redknapp taking his players to Cheltenham.
Used to work in the lower divisions as a team bonding excercise.
But he had to knock it on the head in the Prem as the majority of the players were totally bewildered and hated it.

Yes things have changed over the last decade with what is termed as 'the march of the school teachers' coming out of the FA coaching system at St George's Park.
But it appears all these identikit-Gareth-Southgate managers have gone the other way.
More interested in a holistic approach to managing the young men in their charge. It may be that results have taken a secondary position in their outlook.
When you've got guys like Pep, Arteta, Unai, Maresca willing to make the tough decisions and dish out the rollickings if and when required then it would appear that english coaches still have a lot to learn.

pretty rubbish in most sports to be fair not just football

Very few have played under or worked day to day with the likes of Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and finished playing and gone into management (yet).

That's where Arteta, Maresca and Kompany came from. Emery is a level below that. Most English managers played during the Ferguson era which is dinosaur football compared to the top level today, hence the repeated failure of ex-Man U players as top managers, Gerrard, Lampard etc.

Rodgers/Howe are the nearest to top that the UK has produced in the last 10-15 years. Neither of them played at top level and their tactics weren't learned from their playing days.

Clough shanks big Ron Sam

Did not fit the the B B T mould....not yes men

Gareth boring feckwah

The f a is right up it's own backside

Tactics are tactics at any level.  Whether the skill level involved can carry them out is the question. I don’t ever remember any successful Ferguson team playing “dinosaur” football and feel sure that Cantona, Scholes, Ronaldo, etc; don’t either.
Would Pep have built a team at Derby, Nottingham Forest, Aberdeen?  Highly unlikely imo.
Would love to know what it is by the way - dinosaur football.

It would be interesting to see how Fergie adapted to
pressing. Scholes got away with not being able to
tackle for years through an era of card happy refs
he would fit in nicely today.

Dinosaurs ruled for millions of years and never quite developed
football, they would need big nets if diplodocus was
in goal.

Big Crouchie would struggle to out jump them.

It wasn't dinosaur football then, evidently

Dec 19, 2025 -- 2:44PM, lurka wrote:

Very few have played under or worked day to day with the likes of Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and finished playing and gone into management (yet).That's where Arteta, Maresca and Kompany came from. Emery is a level below that. Most English managers played during the Ferguson era which is dinosaur football compared to the top level today, hence the repeated failure of ex-Man U players as top managers, Gerrard, Lampard etc. Rodgers/Howe are the nearest to top that the UK has produced in the last 10-15 years. Neither of them played at top level and their tactics weren't learned from their playing days.

I would certainly rank Emery above Arteta and those other two. Look at the ludicrous amounts that Arteta has spent over the last several years to no avail and compare that to how Emery is doing with this Villa squad.

Well the biggest clubs don't

I like both of them.  Arteta trying to manage two campaigns - the EPL and the CL.  Takes a bit of doing when you’re a maiden.