ANTE POST OUTRIGHT BETS ON 4 ENGLISH DIVISIONS

i have also layed arsenal and luton

Liverpool Brum Plymouth Salford

City; Southampton; Plymouth; MK Dons (ew)

Newcastle 22
Plymouth 8
MK Dons 7/2
Southend 12

1pt ew Yankee returns £34.5K

yes nice returns if you can land them

brum 0nly 9,s to finish above 3 relegated EPL clubs, shocking odds IMO,without even  taking in to accout the experienced championship club, would make one of relegated championship clubs certainties to win div one

There's more or less Sheff u and
3 rellies to beat, I don't fancy Leicester...

Ist time poster I disagree same as last year people saying Brum wrong price please advise
what price you consider fair Saints in mess Leicester not even got manager owners going  broke Ipswich very valid contenders along with Coventry only dangers Imo

Liverpool 
Sheff Utd
Huddersfield
Chesterfield

Win  Yankee
E/W  Acca

I can see why Birmingham are amongst the favourites in the Championship, the feel good factor is back and they have made some decent signings in the close season including Demarai Gray who on his day is a cut above this level.


Luton are justifiable favourites for League One, i cannot see them failing to go back up. Might back them on the handicap.

In Division Two, MK Dons are a very short price when one considers how bad they were last year. I will swerve them and have an interest in my local team Gillingham, who looked very solid after Gareth Ainsworth took over for the last couple of months last season, they have added Sam Vokes upfront whose experience could be invaluable. 12/1 is available which looks fair value.

PREMIER LEAGUE HANDICAPS (ALREADY )

Newcastle (+15)
Man United (+21)
Man City (+3)
Liverpool (scr)
Nottingham Forest (+32)
Sunderland (+52)
Aston Villa (+22)
West Ham (+35)
Tottenham (+22)
Leeds (+43)
Fulham (+33)
Brentford (+38)
Bournemouth (+32)
Wolves (+39)
Brighton (+27)
Burnley (+51)
Everton (+33)
Crystal Palace (+33)
Chelsea (+12)
Arsenal (+3)

Would definitely not play: Sunderland, Burnley, Leeds, Everton, Fulham, Brighton, Wolves, Brentford, C Palace and Bournemouth - all need much greater starts!

Would seriously consider being against: Chelsea, Tottenham, West Ham, Aston Villa and Notts Forest - all need a few extra points start!

Leaves me with:
1 Newcastle +15
2 Man Utd +21
3 Man City +3
4 Arsenal +3
5 Liverpool SCR

Any Views?

Woooo it's like my birthday

Although, on first glance, I don't like anything there. Can Liverpool get 100 points, Arsenal 97? UTD 79? Hmmmm, I can't see it. Newcastle and Chelsea could be plays, but then i think you're asking them to challenge for the title

I think there's a world where Spurs get around 75 points, so wouldn't be too against spurs with +22

forest look interesting at plus 32 but can they repeat last years form

fulham plus 33?

fulham could have potential. 63-65 points and they're in the race. Would need to pick up 10 points from last season.

Could we see another lowly ranked team "do a Forest"? By the way, Elanga & Gibbs-White are leaving Forest, so I'm not confident in them. Leeds with 53-55 points would go close, but that seems a big ask for a newly promoted team. Will keep an eye on them in the transfer window, as they could spend fairly big

I like palace at +33 as they're moving in the right direction -- Cup win gives them confidence, great team, great manager, etc. But looks like they will lose Eze hmmm

Has anyone got any good info for Scottish leagues outside the prem

Yep it's sh1t

Jul 12, 2025 -- 11:21AM, feed the goat...... wrote:

Yep it's sh1t

100%

Loui Give you a Team to bet 1st Game of the Season Hibernian away to Dundee on at 13\8 bet Them a month ago with the Stoke Firm 6/5 now Garrentee will be on Odds on Day of the Game

Thanks sevey will have a look at that one

Meant to do this a couple of weeks ago, price shortened now...

Chelsea 11/10 top 4 with Gillingham 5/4 top 7 for a decent season long bet

Also done both teams to win respective divisions at 9s and 12s for smaller

With bet356

Will post another couple of season bets before the start

Gl all

guys where can I find this handicap betting? thanks

Evening foyles
Bet356 have Chelsea plus 12...all teams are 15/1
Under Premier league outrights, handicap

yeah just found it reg thanks .......be a b,stard to work out the points each week I'd imagine reg .

I write down all the handicap starts for each team as I place the bet
Then, by about Xmas you can narrow it down to about 4 teams usually...perhaps a couple with shorter starts, 1 with a medium start, and 1 with a big start
If you're still in by then, just need to concentrate on those teams each week

They do one on the Exchange , but its not usually put up till a week or two before the season starts.

Cheers stringy, thought there usually was one

Man City +3 looks OK to me just at a glance and comparing to the points totals that the spread firms have each team in for antepost

As for outright league winners,

did fancy Birmingham to continue their momentum and they've signed well IMO but I was kind of hoping the double figures would last. Market isn't rating them far off Ipswich when you look at how the match odds priced up for Gameweek 1

think MK Dons should win L2 quite comfortably given level of investment over the summer and experienced coach, there's no real depth to the league can put a **** paper between many of the clubs

League 1 quite hard to call but I think Luton will likely be up there, however I don't think Cardiff and Plymouth will.

Must be some value in the Conference as well, don't really fancy Carlisle at 5/2

who won  on the handicap this season ?forgive my ignorance mainly play the horses !

Not sure Foyles but I reckon Forest were the biggest surprise over the season.

"Would seriously consider being against: Chelsea, Tottenham, West Ham, Aston Villa and Notts Forest - all need a few extra points start!"

May need to change my view on Chelsea +12 now with an extra £85m to spend.

yeah that's what I thought Brian's  forest musta gone very close would imagine they would have been + 25- 30 ish

Forest were +47 and won easily

Jul 13, 2025 -- 4:41PM, sevey wrote:

Loui Give you a Team to bet 1st Game of the Season Hibernian away to Dundee on at 13\8 bet Them a month ago with the Stoke Firm 6/5 now Garrentee will be on Odds on Day of the Game

Dundee getting beaten by Airdrie caught my eye on Saturday. Are they a mess this season?

Dundee have lost their best players and have a new manager nobody seems to want. They could go down.

2 price changes on handicap:

12/1 Chelsea +12

18/1 Man Utd +21

Rest still 15/1

Championship Handicap in.

Suggests Ipswich to win the league @ 4/1 may be a bet!

Ipswich (scr)
Southampton (+6)
Birmingham (+10)
Sheff Utd (+10)
Leicester (+12)
Coventry (+12)
Middlesbrough (+16)
Norwich (+16)
West Brom (+18)
Wrexham (+20)
Bristol City (+22)
Watford (+26)
Swansea (+26)
Stoke (+26)
Blackburn (+32)
Charlton (+34)
Derby (+28)
Hull (+32)
Millwall (+24)
Portsmouth (+34)
Preston (+34)
Sheff Wed (+36)
Qpr (+38)
Oxford Utd (+38)

As for the handicap, The Tractor Boys giving some big starts.

Ipswich 4/1, Plymouth 8/1, Bristol Rovers 12/1

whats your 4th captain c?

Can’t be bothered with the prem dragon, no interest

ok fair enough . gl with your selections

City, Birmingham, Luton, Gillingham

Was tempted by CC's pick Bristol Rovers for Div 2 but sided with my local team.

Will also do a handicap yankee when all of the odds are out, hit the crossbar with Sheff Utd last year,  Bet Victor gave odds of 33/1 with a +8 (they had a 2 point deduction to overcome) and only missed out to Burnley at the death. It pays to concentrate on the fancied sides on the handicap outside the Premier League.

Watford, Millwall, Pompey, QPR look alright to me on that list

Yes Bristol Rovers at around 12/1 for Div 2 from the comments on here have also peaked my interest DD

Exchange H/Cap  market is up.. no Liquidity yet.

just noticed the 4 C's must be in with a shout

chelsea 9/1- Prem
coventry 10/1- Champ
cardiff 9/1 - Div1
chesterfield 7/1- Div2

4 fold pays around 8 grand for a £1

worth a small flutter shirley

However well they may have played last season Hibernian would be most unlikely to be odds on, away, to beat any PL opposition. imv.

Funny - I've done the 4 B's on the handicap

Brighton +27
Birmingham +10
Blackpool +9
Barnet +14

50p EW Lucky 15 pays over £68k

B,s v C,s- be interesting to see how it all pans out Goddess

carlilse cd give you the 5th C in the National League 3.85 on here

OK, just done 16 ew bets for the season in a perm...
Championship
Brum 7/1
Sheff Utd 8/1
Cov 11/1
Wrexham 25/1
League 1
Cardiff 8/1
Plymouth 9/1
League 2
Gills 14/1
Bristol Rovers 14/1


Gl all

Chelsea 10
Leyton Orient 26
Chesterfield 8

All to win outright

GL guys

West Ham + 35 on the handicap

they'll need around 60-65 pts, which they achieved 4 seasons ago under Moyes (65), no European football and I'm anticipating the the top 3/4 sides will take more points off of each other this season as they're closer in quality than they were last season

Arsenal/Southampton/Cardiff/Chesterfield to win top 4 divisions

though here is a list of previous handicap winners

try again

If Simon Murray is still with Dundee Hibs should be layed at 5/6 ( if they still are ).  Dundee to get at least a draw.

Hibs in to 8/11 so sevey was spot on with the odds movement, but Hibs had a tough euro game on Thursday. Maybe at this stage they’re getting fitter by the game, was extra too

decent start for chesterfield

stockport off to a winning start also

Morning loui Hibs lads Told me Stroll in the Park Should have been more weighed inn at Half Time with the Stoke Firm Should get a run for the Money Hibs without Celtic x Rangers 11\4 x3\1 Sraight match Hearts x Hibs.Aberdeen millions

Liverpool 21/10
Ipswich 4/1
Blackpool 11/1
Chesterfield 6/1.
4 trbles and an accum

The Premier handicap is getting interesting:

12.0 Man Utd + 21
12.5 Sundrland + 52
15.5 Chelsea + 12
15.5 Brigton + 27
29.0 Liverpool Scr
42.0 The Toon + 42

Suprised the way the market is going TBH

I hadn’t realised Dundee were so bad loui!  Apparently all not well at Dens.  Fans HATE new manager and such negs. usually impact performances, so the poor start likely to continue?!

Good shout Sevey. Keep em coming. Will have an eye on Dundee too LH. Here goes another season

Have done a little interest Yankee on some leagues
Birmingham
Stockport
M K Dons
Carlisle

We all know that Arsenal will win the Prem.
but did you know that Southampton ,Luton,and MK Dons ,are the richest clubs in their divisions.
worth thinking about

decent start for chesterfield 3 wins in three 7/2 second fav now

I've just done my annual lay of Arsenal for PL. Managed to get 3.6 this year, surprisingly short really considering Liverpool and Man City look to have further strengthened this year. Nowadays always my biggest bet of the year and bank already on the case with the "We’re getting in touch because your recent gambling activity has been high. If you feel that gambling is impacting you, then support is available." email

ive layed them at 3.52 ante post Storm and will probably keep laying them throughout the season

Mes tipped West Ham for handicap LOL

If they get 60+ points then I'll streak naked around Covent Gardens

Gillingham 4 Chesterfield 1

A most unexpected goal fest at Priestfield tonight.  Gareth Ainsworth now unbeaten in 14 since taking over at the
gills. Onwards and upwards.

Sorry Dragon

yup not a good night for my outrights as stockport lost at home- stockport have a bad habit of not winning from leading positions-- long long way to go

Morning Loui 12/1 Hibernian to Win the Scottish League Cup Fair Price

stockport blow a lead for the 3rd time this season- they have got to start seeing winning positions out

my 4 c's have started well chelsea, cardiiff , coventry and chesterfield

birmingham is not looking a good shout mind

Had a mad double on Doncaster and Walsall a couple of weeks ago 33 and 14/1, do think Walsall could go under the radar this year.

I'm currently being offered £6.83 for my £5 bet on Arsenal/Southampton/Cardiff/Chesterfield to all win their respective divisions, for a cool 7k.

Arsenal will be 3 pts off after Liverpool brush aside Burnley today.
Southampton need to beat Portsmouth today to stay 5pts behind top.
Cardiff are top of League 1.
Chesterfield are currently 4pts behind top.

Think I'm going to resist the tempting cash out offer and wait for my 7k even though I could get a couple days worth of Sainsburglar's £3.00 meal deals with some change left over.


Kind Regards

doesnt look like anyone will be collect much in the antepost market