Football
Welcome to Live View – Take the tour to learn more
Start Tour
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
06 Apr 25
22:08
Joined:
Date Joined:
10 Jul 05
Remember when the premier league had 3/4 in champions league semi finals.
We struggle to make last 8 now.
Like all good business s,they’ve re packaged what they sell,but bought a weaker product.
The standard of player in the premier league has weakened,players play for opta points,to get new contracts.
Quick easy passes shows a good pass completion percentage,why take risks.
VAR,mainly means less goals,has every detail must be checked,the 1 pixel off side is a great achievement if spotted.
Long gone are the days when you lose money owning a prem club.
Brighton and forest competing at top level.
If can’t make money,sell your women’s team to the burger van,who loans it out to a third party,who sells it back to you.
Get billionaires to buy the club,but they won’t put a penny in,
Don’t buy local,proven players,young foreigners,that you can justify as having potential seems the way forward,plus all the agents involved are off shore,so there’s money to be made.
We struggle to make last 8 now.
Like all good business s,they’ve re packaged what they sell,but bought a weaker product.
The standard of player in the premier league has weakened,players play for opta points,to get new contracts.
Quick easy passes shows a good pass completion percentage,why take risks.
VAR,mainly means less goals,has every detail must be checked,the 1 pixel off side is a great achievement if spotted.
Long gone are the days when you lose money owning a prem club.
Brighton and forest competing at top level.
If can’t make money,sell your women’s team to the burger van,who loans it out to a third party,who sells it back to you.
Get billionaires to buy the club,but they won’t put a penny in,
Don’t buy local,proven players,young foreigners,that you can justify as having potential seems the way forward,plus all the agents involved are off shore,so there’s money to be made.
Show More
NARRATOR: Last season was the highest for goals ever in the PL, 3.2 per game, a massive jump from 2.85 the previous season, also a PL record.
Long gone are the days when you lose money owning a prem club...... If can’t make money,sell your women’s team to the burger van,who loans it out to a third party,who sells it back to you. LOL at this drivel.
Brighton have never competed at top level. 6th is the highest they've finished, 9th currently.
Long gone are the days when you lose money owning a prem club...... If can’t make money,sell your women’s team to the burger van,who loans it out to a third party,who sells it back to you. LOL at this drivel.
Brighton have never competed at top level. 6th is the highest they've finished, 9th currently.
Harsh. Lurks.
Think CUTH makes some valid points.
For a number of years the EPL has been pretty dreadful from April onwards.
Lets face it for most of the clubs staying in the division is the be all and end all. So with relegation done and dusted most of the players are going to have their minds, if not their bodies, on the beach. They will be making 'business decisions' for the rest of the season when it comes to trying hard, especially in away games.
Years gone by, being involved in a title run in would be an onerous task. Your opponents would be playing for win bonuses which meant a lot back then. Nowadays with the average wage being around 80k/week. Why bother?
I just cant get over the fact that last year Arsenal (in the running for the title) went to OT to play to Utd (nothing to play for) and the bookies price about the Ersenal win was... get this...
2/5.
Two to flucking for 5 for a road team to win at the Man U? Are you flucking kidding me?
The fact the @rsenal did win in a pretty uncompetitive fixture tells you all you need to know about the modern game.
Think CUTH makes some valid points.
For a number of years the EPL has been pretty dreadful from April onwards.
Lets face it for most of the clubs staying in the division is the be all and end all. So with relegation done and dusted most of the players are going to have their minds, if not their bodies, on the beach. They will be making 'business decisions' for the rest of the season when it comes to trying hard, especially in away games.
Years gone by, being involved in a title run in would be an onerous task. Your opponents would be playing for win bonuses which meant a lot back then. Nowadays with the average wage being around 80k/week. Why bother?
I just cant get over the fact that last year Arsenal (in the running for the title) went to OT to play to Utd (nothing to play for) and the bookies price about the Ersenal win was... get this...
2/5.
Two to flucking for 5 for a road team to win at the Man U? Are you flucking kidding me?
The fact the @rsenal did win in a pretty uncompetitive fixture tells you all you need to know about the modern game.
NARRATOR: That was Arsenal's second last game going for the title, a must-win and United would have handed City the title if they'd got a draw. We've had 3 of the last 6 title races go to the last day. It's only happened 7 other times in the other 25 completed years of the PL.
The fact is there are more goals in the VAR era (not necessarily because of VAR - there are goals chalked off that weren't previously but also many penalties given which weren't previously).
The majority of PL teams are operating at a loss. This is the business model - you are literally allowed to have £105m in losses over 3 years. It's actually only £15m over 3 years in actual losses but you can bump it up to £105m if the owner invests £90m thru eg loans or share issues. Again nearly every club owner is doing this. They have to to compete.
We've had 2 clubs deducted points for breaching this over the last 2 seasons. United have £300m in losses over the last few years. Chelsea prob the same. Then you have City's owners who have never been interested in making money and have been cooking the books for years despite declaring profits. Then what about all the relegated teams over the years? The OP said 'Long gone are the days when you lose money owning a prem club.'
These are facts. The opposite of almost everything the OP says is true.
The fact is there are more goals in the VAR era (not necessarily because of VAR - there are goals chalked off that weren't previously but also many penalties given which weren't previously).
The majority of PL teams are operating at a loss. This is the business model - you are literally allowed to have £105m in losses over 3 years. It's actually only £15m over 3 years in actual losses but you can bump it up to £105m if the owner invests £90m thru eg loans or share issues. Again nearly every club owner is doing this. They have to to compete.
We've had 2 clubs deducted points for breaching this over the last 2 seasons. United have £300m in losses over the last few years. Chelsea prob the same. Then you have City's owners who have never been interested in making money and have been cooking the books for years despite declaring profits. Then what about all the relegated teams over the years? The OP said 'Long gone are the days when you lose money owning a prem club.'
These are facts. The opposite of almost everything the OP says is true.
Lurka,they operate ata loss on paper,
Example,the glaziers want a management fee ,used to be 20 mill a year,probably more now,20 x 20,that’s 400 mill they’ve took out,plus value of club tripled.plus not paid loans off ,just re finance.
Players play tippy tappy,one twos on half way line,making their pass completion percentage high,so their agent can fight for a new contract ,stating,he never gives the ball away,94% pass completion.
Everyone involved just behaves in a way to keep the money rolling in,from owners to staff,unless you wait on tables,then you get sacked pec to cut costs.
Example,the glaziers want a management fee ,used to be 20 mill a year,probably more now,20 x 20,that’s 400 mill they’ve took out,plus value of club tripled.plus not paid loans off ,just re finance.
Players play tippy tappy,one twos on half way line,making their pass completion percentage high,so their agent can fight for a new contract ,stating,he never gives the ball away,94% pass completion.
Everyone involved just behaves in a way to keep the money rolling in,from owners to staff,unless you wait on tables,then you get sacked pec to cut costs.
The Glazers/United are the exception. They don't take management fees currently and have taken far more in interest out than fees. They have burdened the club with their loans but that's still the club's liability. United could still have been run profitably despite all that but they've spúnked over a billion on overpaid, unsellable dross for over a decade. They could have competed at the very top and had no FFP issues for the last decade if they'd spent prudently, despite all that the Glazers have sucked out.
I'm not sure there's another owner who takes money out. Most of them are investing some or all of the permitted £30m a year. You'd have to be insane not to if you are trying to compete with clubs which are fully availing of the 105m allowance and you are in a position to invest. Brighton are perhaps another where the owner doesn't invest, I'm not sure but he prob doesn't have to because of what they make on transfers.
Teams do not operate at a loss on paper. They are actual operating losses. Some of them will have a profitable year from time to time but usually only because they've had 2 big loss years previously and need a profit to avoid breaching the £105m over 3 years rule. When you take transfer dealing out only Brentford were run at a profit in 2023.
The notion that players, who are micro-managed by managers in terms of everything they do on the pitch (something Neville mentioned yesterday) are going off and doing their own thing to get their passing stats up is nonsense. How long do you think a player will last if he starts doing that under Slot, Arteta, Pep? Agents/Players make more when a player moves rather than extends, more again when they don't extend and the player can leave for free.
The main reason it's perceived as worse is Pep Guardiola's influence on the PL and the game in general. There has been more goals and more last day run-ins since he came along but the football is played to a formula, slower build up and players playing like they are on a leash the whole time. The league nearly completely full of copycat managers.
I'm not sure there's another owner who takes money out. Most of them are investing some or all of the permitted £30m a year. You'd have to be insane not to if you are trying to compete with clubs which are fully availing of the 105m allowance and you are in a position to invest. Brighton are perhaps another where the owner doesn't invest, I'm not sure but he prob doesn't have to because of what they make on transfers.
Teams do not operate at a loss on paper. They are actual operating losses. Some of them will have a profitable year from time to time but usually only because they've had 2 big loss years previously and need a profit to avoid breaching the £105m over 3 years rule. When you take transfer dealing out only Brentford were run at a profit in 2023.
The notion that players, who are micro-managed by managers in terms of everything they do on the pitch (something Neville mentioned yesterday) are going off and doing their own thing to get their passing stats up is nonsense. How long do you think a player will last if he starts doing that under Slot, Arteta, Pep? Agents/Players make more when a player moves rather than extends, more again when they don't extend and the player can leave for free.
The main reason it's perceived as worse is Pep Guardiola's influence on the PL and the game in general. There has been more goals and more last day run-ins since he came along but the football is played to a formula, slower build up and players playing like they are on a leash the whole time. The league nearly completely full of copycat managers.
The glaziers borrowed 600/800 mill to buy the club,loans over years,say 20.
It’s been 20, Utd still owe this debt,why has t it been paid off.
It’s similar to the energy,water companies.
You max the debt out,constantly,kicking the ball down the road,then pay yourself big bonuses,or shareholder dividends,till you move jobs,retire.
What no one does ,is strengthen the financial position of the company.
You keep it alive to milk it.
It’s been 20, Utd still owe this debt,why has t it been paid off.
It’s similar to the energy,water companies.
You max the debt out,constantly,kicking the ball down the road,then pay yourself big bonuses,or shareholder dividends,till you move jobs,retire.
What no one does ,is strengthen the financial position of the company.
You keep it alive to milk it.
Lurka.3.2 goals,a record.facts don’t lie.
Interesting to see
Shots and shots on target stats.
Games do seem to be less attacking.
Interesting to see
Shots and shots on target stats.
Games do seem to be less attacking.
Again Pep having the entire league playing out from the back against high press has lead to a lot of mug goals and lots of VAR penalties, none of which are particularly exciting to watch. Record conceding Sheff U in the PL last year too helped bump it up.
The Glazers have refinanced and topped-up the initial debt multiple times at increasingly high interest rates and are due to do it again soon.
The Glazers have refinanced and topped-up the initial debt multiple times at increasingly high interest rates and are due to do it again soon.
Lurka,yeah.maybe a few weak teams skewing the goals stats.
Teams recently seem to be relegated by Xmas.
Top 10 teams less goals
Teams recently seem to be relegated by Xmas.
Top 10 teams less goals
Post Your Reply
Please login to post a reply.
Wonder
Instance ID: 13539