Arsenal cheating

Hong Kong ray dowel part of my funniest football story ever
playing on Redcar fire station pitch,nearest toilet/changing block ,Sunday morning ,
centre forward been out for a curry Saturday night  needed toilet,when ball was out for a corner at other end snuck off,ray dowel reffing so him out the corner of his eye,when he tried to sneak back on ,loud shrill of whistle  , ray made lad walk 50 yds to him
said no one leaves my field of play without permission ,what's going on,the lad said sorry ray I was looking for a ****house, ray quick as a flash shouted ,   YOUVE FOUND ONE ME, now get off and got his red card out, , everyone was in tears laughing

The sheer irony of saying Arsenal are cheats.......when they're playing Man City up on 130 different charges of cheating, couldn't make it up

Oliver is a bent barsteward:

https://x.com/sg_cannonball/status/1837875277243781420

On the Man City payroll according to that guy on X. Explains his inconsistent decisions.

Not surprised that Man City owners paying refs 20k for state sponsered junkets, in keeping with their blatant disregard for FFP. Club rotten to the core.

All Professional footballers are cheats. Football had become the home of the poorest sportsmanship

All the diving, shirt pulling, faking injuries and moaning at officials have ruined the game .

The faking of injuries was ridiculous today. I believe players should have to gather in centre circle when injured player is being treated and no input from managers when a game is in play.

At least now Arsenal's on-pitch cheating is being talked about.

If nothing is done and other teams copy Arteta's vile game management then top flight football will become unwatchable.

Oliver is a bent barsteward:

https://x.com/sg_cannonball/status/1837875277243781420

It's not just money. It's 7 star hospitality and the attention of young girls/boys who'd normally never look at a scrawny little c**t like O*****

Doesn't take big decisions to swing the balance of a football match. Remember VAR won't overrule an on-field Ref unless it's obvious to a blind man in a dark room that an error has been made.

Have a day off, every team in the league cheats in one form or another and always have done, conning the ref at every opportunity, diving, tactical fouls, time wasting, stepping on players feet in the box waiting for a corner, pinching, moving the ball forward for a free kick, feigning injury, pretending you're more hurt than you are etc, it's part of the game, as soon as people finally accept it instead of crying like babies the sooner we can move on, they do not bat an eye lid about this sort of thing abroad, they are ahead of time, it's just a precious English thing which might explain why we never win anything when dark arts are such a big part of the game. I'll give Kane his due, he is one English player who knows the score, never won anything though because he played for the filth, not really his fault. Kind Regards.

Rodri tried to get Havertz sent off after 3 seconds and there's a thread about Arsenal 'cheating'. Playing smart is not cheating. City always cry when teams don't play the way they'd prefer them to.

Under Arteta Arsenal have taken gamesmanship to another level.

City always cry when teams don't play the way they'd prefer them to.

I'm a United fan.

arteta sascrificing SAKA is like barca sac messi,Madrid sac Ronny or city sac Hall and if they get a man sent off ,it just wouldn't happen, win/draw at all costs in September,its going to be rough season for gooners with only a title at the end to justify it, gooner,s getting more pragmatic as every week goes by

Arsenal where really bad on Sunday. Taking it to a new level.

If it carries on the only way to solve it is to have 35 mins each half. As soon as play stops the clock is stopped and only re started when the ball is back in play.

A quick search says that the average time a ball is in play is 55 minutes, so 30 minutes should suffice, which might upset Rodri but hey ho. I still believe that teams will find a way to defeat that too, but it is the best idea and probably the fairest.

For the record, I don't blame Arsenal. Other teams do it and Arsenal, with 10 men, had to hold on somehow. Nearly worked. Shame it didn't

For all the accusations of time wasting, breaking up play and deceiving the referee with lengthy injury stoppages, Opta have since come out to reveal the ball was in play for 35 minutes in the second-half on Sunday, the most for any match this season.

If other teams could defend like Arsenal, you'd see a lot more of it. There aren't many top managers nowadays who can.
Ancellotti did it last season with 11 men.

If other teams could defend like Arsenal, you'd see a lot more of it.


4 weeks of that nonsense and the game would be dead.

For all the accusations of time wasting, breaking up play and deceiving the referee with lengthy injury stoppages, Opta have since come out to reveal the ball was in play for 35 minutes in the second-half on Sunday, the most for any match this season.

They flow of the game was destroyed and the pressure on Arsenal relieved by all the fake injuries. Arsenal players should be embarrassed that they had to resort to playacting

It was an excellent rearguard action considering the circumstances. Teams down to 10 mean are steamrolled by City. Trossard should have been embarrassed for giving the ref a reason to send him off and putting the team in the situation.

Remind me Norbert which team do you support?

Nothing new at all seen in this match. We see it every week in the game now and to blame a team reduced to ten men doing it is quite ridiculous in the present day. Storm Alert is quite correct in describing the Arsenal defensive actions as excellent.

As an Arsenal fan, some of the gamesmanship was embarrassing, though Rodri did go down as if poleaxed in the first 10 seconds, so everyone is at it. But the alternative was to roll over with 10 men against the best team in the country. I'm pleased they fought like they did.

When we were behind in games last season, teams beating us or getting a draw employed similar tactics - rolling around, changing the player who took a corner or throw in, etc, etc. It happens every week. I understand why teams do it.

I think there's huge merit in 30 minutes of 'live' play in each half with an independent timekeeper and I think that's where we'll eventually end up. A klaxon with a minute to go each half. It does leave the door open, with so many American owners these days, for 4 x 15 minute quarters. More commercial breaks, more money.

Arsenal were up against the world's beat side plus a bent ref.
Any tactics they employed were quite justified in the circumstances.

"Everton would become the 10th club in the Premier League under majority American ownership"

Looking extremely likely fink

I don't believe for one second that Oliver is bent. Human yes, but bent no.

He's never sent off a City player in 47 matches.

2 red card challenges by Kovacic last time out v City at Emirates were ignored because according to Howard Webb, he didn't want to spoil the game.

You obvs never watched the this video - there's very clear evidence of his links to City's owners & his actions.

https://x.com/sg_cannonball/status/1837875277243781420

Was this the same Oliver who called Walker up for a chat and then let Arsenal take a free-kick, with Walker way out of position, that led to their first goal?

He had a slight phuck up for which he was then eager to make amends for.
If that shot goes into the stands, we wouldn't be talking about it.
That wasn't him having to make a judgement call.

You're being selective Wesdag... now now

what about the 2 other EPL clubs who haven't had a player sent off by OLIVER or the 6 clubs who,ve only had one sent off,is he biased in favour of those 8 clubs compared to arsenal ?

Arteta hints one of his players picked up a serious injury against City.

What are we all thinking?

Finger nail?

That video shows 3 big calls that MO decided not to make because it would detriment City.
Blowing your whistle 2 seconds to early to restart play isn't in the same category as giving a red card or a pen.

1tp - those 2 other clubs aren't challenging City.

Simple fact is, 3 huge calls highlighted, clear & obvious, he favoured City:

the 2 red card challenges by Kovacic v Arsenal - no red
the Doku chest high challenge v Liverpool - no pen
the clear handball by Grealish in the FA cup semi v Chelsea - no pen.

That video is still selective, concentrating ONLY on City and voiced by a gooner, no less. Not to be taken too seriously.

Lol, it focuses on City because City is the team MO is favouring in big matches v their rivals.
So all three decisions were correct iyo?

maj of football fans think under the rules sun was a red card,walcott ,merson and Ian wright thought it was a red card

No, they weren't. Oliver makes mistakes, but only City mistakes matter for Arsenal fans. A few refs have stated that Oliver made a mistake allowing the free kick. Commentators in ALL games say that reds should be given, but they're not. It's not all about Arsenal.

I believe that Oliver should have refereed our high-profile game. Instead we got some plank who thought yellows were Christmas cards.

Sep 24, 2024 -- 6:22AM, Aspro wrote:

No, they weren't. Oliver makes mistakes, but only City mistakes matter for Arsenal fans. A few refs have stated that Oliver made a mistake allowing the free kick. Commentators in ALL games say that reds should be given, but they're not. It's not all about Arsenal.

That's why 2 of the 3 games I mention weren't v Arsenal

The fact is, MO always favours City in key decisions.

Sep 24, 2024 -- 6:22AM, 1st time poster wrote:

maj of football fans think under the rules sun was a red card,walcott ,merson and Ian wright thought it was a red card

It's consistency.

MO let go Szoboszlai kicking the ball away & didn't give him a 2nd yellow. If LFC were playing City, he goes.

https://x.com/AFC_Ball/status/1838146553896190105

but only City mistakes matter for Arsenal fans

Come on Wesdag, stay on track... nobody mentioned it was against Arsenal, but it appears only Arsenal fans are still making an issue of them to prove a point in the present.

Yes Aspro, cos MO always favour City.
Would you be happy to have him ref when you play City?

A quick search has revealed that Michael Oliver has refereed 47 Premier League games with Man City involved. City have won 35, drawn 5 and lost 7 (assuming this is accurate)

Looks about right to me

I would be delighted if Oliver was the ref in that game, as opposed to the ref in our game (post removed?)

If it is true that MO took £20k ror reffing a game in Abu Dhabi then he should never be near a City game imho.

It's on the record.

Now that is a fair point SNC, but then we are bordering on conspiracies

That's what I've been saying all time & now SNC pipes up you agree it all makes sense.

It makes sense if you agree its a conspiracy Wesdag. I'm not so sure.

Aspro
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Was this the same Oliver who called Walker up for a chat and then let Arsenal take a free-kick, with Walker way out of position, that led to their first goal? Crazy

Oliver made some wrong calls in my view (what referee doesn't)?), but even as an Arsenal fan, I don't think he was favouring City.

The Arsenal free kick for the first goal is an interesting one. Lots of noise, but essentially, thanks to the referee, Walker should have been able to get closer to Calafiori to close down the shot. Which he didn't. Negligent for Arsenal's second goal too, so I get why he's moaning. Deflection.

as the days/hrs go by gooner conspiracy theories have now landed on basically Oliver was right to send trossard off,but wrong not to send others or book others in other games/seasons, think they call that been a VICTIM, I,m sure every club in the EPL can point to decisions they've had go against them when playing arsenal,but maj just get on with it

1tp, I've pointed out occasions where MO simple ignores logic & favours City when they've played Liverpool & Chelsea last season.

He made two huge calls in not giving definite pens.

Its MO favouring City - in big games - not just Arsenal.

Since Arsenal became a force again (22/23?) Oliver has refereed 3 City/Arsenal games. City won one of them, Arsenal won one and the other a draw, as we've just witnessed. If Oliver was favouring City, he's not very good at it.

Fink lives up to his name... he thinks about it. I take your points though Wesdag, but struggling to agree with them. For me Oliver is a top referee.

Most likely it is a random set of circumstances that depending on a fans viewpoint can be perceived at favouring one team over another. Oliver isn't bent and overall I think he is quite good.

It annoying that Rice & Trossard got sent off for kicking the ball away but difficult to argue either was not a yellow card. What is irritating is the lack of consistency. My take is the refs discuss all sorts of things concening the way teams play the game and given Arsenal's recent tactics probably decided to clamp down and apply the letter of the law. They did it a bit last season with Arsenal taking too long to take throw ons etc, resulting in Tomiyasu's crazy sending off. Arteta should be trying to keep one step ahead; Rice was a lesson that should have been drilled into the team.

Teams are always pushing boundaries. Mourinho teams were often the worst. Pep teams actually are very straightforward. Sadly its the boardroom at City where the dishonesty lies.

This Christmas Raya is staring in  Robin Hood at the Palladium

Next season Arsenal are playing at The Old Vic

City are putting on 'Oliver' at the Etihad

All Arsenal corners need VAR scrutiny. Any blocking the keeper and a straight free kick should be given.

blocking the keeper

Do you not think that would've been pick up yet?

Arsenal are cute. blockers arrive very late and don't hang around. Same routine every corner.

Same routine every corner.

And yet nobody's picked it up.

I picked it up weeks ago. After Sunday everyone else has.

Very shrewd well done.

Arteta's ridiculous defence of his side's playacting on Sunday shows that failure has driven him quite mad.

Another year or two without a league title and, like José, he'll be a complete Psychopath

You are coming across as a big baby crying about nothing, probably helps to distract yourself from the sh1t show at United

Arsenal are going up against a cheating, state run football club who've broke every rule outside the pitch and even on it you had Rodri the king of the tactical foul, yet Arsenal are competing well, improving their points totals 4 years on the bounce, getting closer and closer to City, Arteta unbeaten against him 4 matches, a second away from a win at City with 10 men for over 45 minutes.


And ignore Aspro the Spurs fan who's trying his best to make it look like Arsenal paranoia with Oliver, you only have to watch the video Wesdaq posted to understand how inappropriate it is that he refs City matches.

it might be a masterstroke but I think what's confusing people is arsenal are the only team in UK talking about titles,relegation,promotion,ch LG places in September, when your treating every game as a six pointer a lot of pain is coming your way before may,the days of Wenger/Fergie saying they can only lose 2 games .8 pts etc etc are long gone

The criticism is from the same people who claimed Arsenal were too soft and didn’t have what it takes to win at all costs

You are coming across as a big baby crying about nothing, probably helps to distract yourself from the sh1t show at United

Read my posts on the united thread. Nothing could even begin to distract me from the INEOS / EtH sh!tshow.

And yeah I know City as a club are cheats. I hope they are stripped of their titles even if it means giving a couple to Liverpool.

But to someone like myself, who would never dream of deliberately cheating, Arteta is an absolute disgrace as a sportsman.

Arteta not doing anything different than Ferguson, his bullying (cheating) match officials was an absolute disgrace at Old Trafford) or Mourinho with his timewasting / breaking up play by blocking off the ball...

Fergie didn't look at the table till he woke up pished on new yrs day 

Sick of hearing about Ferguson on all these threads.

Fergie Time.

And now he's been retired over 10 years they play Fergie Time x 2 or 3

Position of maximum opportunity

Pmsl

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/sep/26/football-fans-put-up-with-dark-arts-if-it-helps-get-result

Agreed. Tony Adams is a classic example, a player who always needed to feign injury. A right pansy.

Give it a rest you tart, this fishing expedition is boring.

Tony Adams incidentally the best ever defender from the Premier League era, nobody organised the back line like he did.

Keane & Souness too. All those titles won by going down crying whenever the going got tough. A right pair of pansies!

Ferguson actually said that Tony Adams was a United player in an Arsenal shirt who he tried to sign when he was 19, how about that, did Fergie sign pansies at the back?

mesmerised I'm being sarcastic. Likening Great leaders of great teams to the wimps we saw on Sunday.

Arsenal fans are agreeing with you, the play acting was too much, foreign influenced and embarrassing, but against City I don't care, we generally don't carry on like that against every one else.

From an article in the Guardian newspaper....
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/sep/26/football-fans-put-up-with-dark-arts-if-it-helps-get-result

"Back when football was good – between 1989-1992 to be precise – Cambridge United were on an unlikely surge from the Fourth Division to within a couple of games of the inaugural Premier League season. Defeat by Leicester in the playoffs ended any realistic hope of ever reaching the Promised Land™.

There was a lot I didn’t notice at the time from my seat in the Junior U’s enclosure, namely all of it apart from the goals. It was just Dion Dublin and John Taylor heading in loads of crosses. I certainly wasn’t aware of all the tactics the manager, John Beck, employed to frustrate the opposition.

For those that don’t know, Beck came from the POMO school: Position of Maximum Opportunity. In other words, get it launched, stick it in the mixer, hit the channels. Some accounts suggest he quite sensationally gave cash bonuses to whichever player kicked the ball the furthest. It was wildly successful, until it wasn’t.

Added to that was making life simply horrible for the opposition. When it was hot he turned the thermostat on full whack in the away dressing room and when it was cold he turned it off. He put skip-loads of sand in the corners of the pitch so the ball would just stop there. He wanted the pitch in such a terrible condition that he signed a letter to the groundsman, Ian Darler, confirming that the groundsman, Ian Darler, wasn’t responsible for the state of the pitch.

He moved the away dugout almost to the corner flag. He gave the opposition saturated, sodden footballs to warm up with. Apparently for away games, he’d take the under-18s and get them to play an 11-a-side match on our half of the pitch before kick-off to cut it up as much as they could.

These tactics didn’t necessarily have a name in the 90s, but now Beck would be held up as a Jedi Master of the Dark Arts. He is just one example from football’s past, which makes it confusing that Mikel Arteta seems to have been accused in some quarters of inventing them in the second half at the Etihad on Sunday".

A book you'll never read; The Beautiful Game by Mikel Arteta

Yes it's shocking what Arteta has invented.

Nobody has ever said Arteta invented players faking injuries to break up play or blocking goal keepers at corners.

Just that he coaches them and is prepared to use them on an industrial scale.

Change the record its becoming very dull. Most of us think Arteta is doing a fine job trying to take on the juggernaut that is Man City.

I'm with storm here. Time to put this one to bed.

Agreed we can always TTT this thread next time Mikel deploys his anti-football tactics.

when you get a set piece coach been paid double figure 1000,s a week doing a lap of honour because 4 or 5 multi  million pound players score a far post header of a corner a feat people paid not a penny repeat 10,000 times every weekend all over the country, YOU NO THE GAMES FOOKED, why should fans even no the name of the set piece coach Imagine if they win something

Stick to Fake or Fortune as clearly u know FA about football.

All clubs coach set pieces so why not have a set piece coach?

And all clubs coach foul play at corners. It's up to Refs both on the pitch and sat in front of screens at West Drayton to enforce the rules.

Trouble is we can't be sure those Refs haven't been compromised.

no one scored more set pieces goals than teams managed by Moyes,fat Sam,Warnock,beck etc etc
name me their sets piece coaches,show my TV pics of them ,commentators talking about them ?
who coached the LOVE TRAIN for England in the world cup,who was England's sety piece coach ?

Regarding Trossard being eligible to play today after last weeks sending off. Has a cup game always counted as game for a suspension?

Trossard just scores the winner as I’m typing!!

Good few years back West ham played Liverpool & both had a player sent off.
Both missed the FA Cup Final because of it.Hayden Mullins for us,can't remember
the Liverpool player.

Rules is rules. You always miss the next game. In this instance it was a cup game. Apparently he was gutted not being able to turn out against the Trotters in midweek.

I think a couple of players have missed an FA Cup Final after being booked or sent off in a final league game.

Looking forward to watching the match tonight. That BBC match stats suggest Leicester performed miracles to hold Arsenal till so late; Justin's 2nd goal superb by all accounts.

That Liverpool player sent off in the West Ham game was Luis Garcia.

Cheers, guys. Never realised, always thought it was the next PL game. That’s a nice easy manipulation for players a card away from a suspension and a midweek Mickey Mouse cup game up next.

No youve still not got it. Carrying over bans to FA cup EFL cup applies to red cards. Accumulating 5 yellows is a ban restricted to PL matches.

So consistently inconsistent!

Sep 28, 2024 -- 11:39AM, the fink sisters wrote:

Rules is rules. You always miss the next game. In this instance it was a cup game. Apparently he was gutted not being able to turn out against the Trotters in midweek.I think a couple of players have missed an FA Cup Final after being booked or sent off in a final league game.

The rules are son inconsistent. Christian Romero was carded in a Champions League game in 2023 but served his one match suspension against Quarabag 18 months later in the Europey League.

I didn't realise he was suspended sofa, just thought he was left out. Obviously not as in touch as I should be

Either way, isn't that a UEFA card and nothing to do with the FA?

Sep 28, 2024 -- 4:23PM, Aspro wrote:

I didn't realise he was suspended sofa, just thought he was left out. Obviously not as in touch as I should be Either way, isn't that a UEFA card and nothing to do with the FA?

Yes, a UEFA card Aspro. But still...

Troy Deeney covered it.