Is Eddie Howe on thin ice?

The owners came across as quite realistic about the long term vision in the documentary...

can't really blame Eddie with all the injuries that have restricted them to this point of the season..

that's not to say he gets a completely free pass this year but with no European games and plenty of players to come back they have a chance for a very decent PL run in the new year plus potential in the cups...

Deffo, can't see him being there next season.

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Howe has done great but it will be interesting to see how the fans react once they realise Bruno will be moving on.

The major issue for Howe long term is getting the attack clicking. At the moment their attack is workmanlike and effective to an extent.

An easy upgrade is to bin Almiron and get a right attacker who can use both feet. I'm not sure about Isak as a 9. He has terrible assist stats for a player who seems technically very good. The emergence of Miley and return next season of Tonali should see the end of Joelinton as a first teamer.

I don't expect him to be sacked but I do think he is closer to the sack than the fans maybe realise.

That's The Problem with Footballers These Days They can't play the game with both Feet Dozens of Them Out There

MBS didn't buy Newcastle to go out in the group stages of the Champions League.

The off-book deals are being done now for next season and a new manager will be one of those signings.

That's The Problem with Footballers These Days They can't play the game with both Feet Dozens of Them Out There


It was painful watching him (Almiron) tonight.  He had the defender one on one with loads of space at the byline at one point and choose yet again to turn back in and lay it off. Cannot remember him once getting to the by line and trying to make a cross etc.. Has absolutely zero ability with his right foot to pass or run with the ball. Howe seems infatuated with his work rate but Grealish has him right. Total headless chicken most of the time.

Eddie Howe is a good coach.

Where he has taken Newcastle to is incredible.

The problem with teams that over perform with fans that think they are top clubs the only way is down.

I no The Feeling R/Queen very very Frustrating at Times watching the same players do it week after week that Brazilian fanny that plays for Manchester Utd was at it again last night all the coaches on the payrolls and teach them to play with both Feet my pet HATE

Where he has taken Newcastle to is incredible.


See this is where that nasty thing called realism kicks in. Howe has had plenty of backing and money to spend. Hes done brilliant getting them into the Champions League but they are majority owned by the wealthiest owners in world football. As SirNorbert has said, more is now expected and Howe will have to produce or be shown the door.

Its staggering reading Newcastle forums tonight claiming Bruno had a good game. Even Livescore are calling him (and Almiron) out as poor tonight and losing the ball/ being out of position far too often.

Interesting stat about Almiron....right winger and he has 6 PL assists in 160 games......

https://twitter.com/JdpKevin/status/1735033897967116714

Sweet baby Jesus. Utterly Atrocious.

This guy is years in Newcastle, played in the US and still won't do English interviews btw.

Possibly but nothing yet to suggest the owners are as cut throat () as eg Abramovich.
They could be playing the longer game looking to establish themselves as part of a top 6/7 so that they are in the mix for any breakaway league.
They certainly aren't spending the way Roman and the City owners did when they wanted trophies at all costs. Arsenal and Chelsea have comfortably outspent them.
Just as likely they will back him with more cash than get rid imo. He has done very well and surely built up some trust. It was a horrible group to get out of esp for a team so inexperienced in europe.

Newcastle fans more worried he gets poached by England.

Different perspective on things I suppose

there's zero chance they'd sack him, these people are not daft and they're not Abramovic types who'll sack a manager every other season, they'll know when the time is right if that comes and it's not now, they've had loads of injuries as well.

Felt for Newcastle last night,when Milan equalised the writing was on the wall..

Its who Howe can attract in the transfer market that will ultimately decide his fate in the long term...

The owners didn't buy Newcastle and expect Howe to still be their manager 2 years later, until now though he has made it impossible for them to get rid, once he has gone you will see a high profile coach in there, the owners will have everything crossed hoping this bad run continues for a little while longer so they can act.

WALOFS.

MBS didn't buy Newcastle to go out in the group stages of the Champions League.

be getting a new manager in every season then ....

Doubt they'd sack him.1st time in the Chmpns Lge for ages.
Thought he signed a new deal a while back aswell.Geordies
will know more.

man city had premier league winning managers they got rid of. 2nd is no good to Saudi.

When Bruce got sacked there was loads of chat before

When Emery was approached there was loads of chat before

When Howe was approached there was loads of chat before

Sort of expect if Howe is in trouble their will be chat.


Of course there could be deals in place, but
remarkably quiet from local press and usual itks

Eddie Howe was given the job because at the time they were fighting relegation and one of the sexy A listers wouldn't have risked taking the job at that point, as soon as Howe is sacked you will see one of the usual suspects in there.

These owners are all about being noticed, that's what this whole business is all about for them, by definition you need someone at the top who people know and outside England no-one has ever heard of Eddie Howe.

Certainly dodged a bullet with ten haag

howard
man city had premier league winning managers they got rid of. 2nd is no good to Saudi.

Exactly.

Today Newcastle fans display their small club mentality by reveling in getting knocked out of the Champions League in the group stages.

Once the Saudis have coughed but a few billion to take on City & Real Madrid not getting to the semis will guarantee the Newcastle manager the boot.

IMHO He will get one season without CL football.

They're overachieving currently. Playing twice a week and they've got a 17 year old playing every game in midfield. The other week they had 3 keepers on the bench.

Remember how they were going to buy the league. Perhaps Eddie Howe should start making noises about leaving due to lack of ambition of the board

Remember how they were going to buy the league. Perhaps Eddie Howe should start making noises about leaving due to lack of ambition of the board

That's not how oil states operate.

To get world class talent to Newcastle palms will need to be greased in the Middle east. How do you think City got Aguero to stay in Manchester!!!

Next season Newcastle will have a big star signing or two with some good workhorse players to support them

I wouldn't put money on Howe being there though.

FFP can be bent. Have a clear out of homegrown talent. Maybe sell them to Saudi sides for good money

so we sighed on eddie knowing he was hopeless and wouldnt win us anything and was just a short term appointment.is that what yous are saying?

so why appoint someone who was no good and couldnt do anything for us when we were bottom of the league with no wins in 14?

give your heads a shake man ffs.

so we sighed on eddie knowing he was hopeless and wouldnt win us anything and was just a short term appointment.is that what yous are saying?

Howe was signed to save Newcastle from relegation. He knew the league so that wasn't too hard a job.

He wasn't signed to help attract big stars to the club or win the Champions League. That is MBS' ambition,

and you know that how?

Take a look at what happened at Manchester City with the constant up grading of managers. Very difficult to win the Champions League if all you know is the Premier League.

And MBS will not settle for anything less than matching and beating Abu Dhabi.

WALOFS.

Tiger nose

Just 2 years ago this week:

19th    Newcastle United - played 19    won 1    drawn 8    lost 10     scored 19    conceded 42    g/d -23 points    11

Howe imho is a top grade coach. Theres plenty more at the club who deserve flack before he does but I fear for his position given the upcoming fixtures.

Ashworth deserves questioning. The transfer window last summer was a total disaster. For a club in Newcastles position, at a total minimum 2 players should be brought in each window who should be first teamers. Last season it was 1 in Tonali now banned long term and the rest were subs or long term prospects. They were crying out a right winger.

I get the waft of bluffer off Ashworth. An FA head who got plaudits for his time at Brighton despite the fact Tony Bloom runs everything at that club recruitment wise.

Howe Is a brilliant coach.
He took Bournemouth from 92nd place to the Prem Lge and kept them there.
See if Pep or Klopp could do the same thing with a club that was Skint.
Put either of them in charge of Colchester United an see where they are i 6 seasons time.
Newcastle are lucky to have him, its the Geography of the club which doesn't attract the top players,
Unless they are mercenaries who only go for the money.
They would be well versed in keeping him IMO

he,s got diddly squat out of bruno

Agreed ^ but some very worrying aspects to that game though.

For the first goal there was no midfielders anywhere near the play once they got into the final 3rd.

For the 2nd goal, Guimaraes (Who gets a pass in every game by the fans) made no effort to track back and assist the defence. He was literally jogging and was a total disgrace. He was ahead of Elanga before the play started. He is massively over rated imho

I'd bin every player at that club before i'd bin Howe but that type of decision doesn't happen in the modern game.

Agreed with dambuster

Yeah, agree with some of what dambuster says but that's not what the owners give a fook about and the geography has nothing whatsover to do with it otherwise no fooker would be going to Saudi to play, once the pounds start to fly then you will see players arriving, Howe is a dead man walking and has been ever since he walked in the door what's more he knew it.

If Newcastle weren't in such a perilous spot he wouldn't have even got the job in the first place, he was only ever keeping the seat warm for a galactico ad that is how it will go, someone like a Conte will be next through the door, just a matter of time, the owners will be thinking, about bloody time too.

As for Howe, he's done himself a lot of favours and put himself back into the shop window, if he went before ETH I wouldn't rule out Radcliffe snapping him up.

Manchester United are by common consensus having a nightmare season but they are ahead of Howe's Newcastle.

United need to sack ten Hag.

Newcastle need to give Howe a 5 year contract extension.

Newcastle have overperformed with a small squad,

we will know Howe's fate in weeks, through the support he either gets or doesn't in the transfer market. if as Duffy says, he is a dead man walking, he will get token small signings and late failed bids.

However let's be real, there are very few who could have achieved the instant impact he did on arrival, so don't get over-enamored by foreign mercenaries carrying false hope.

Howe could do a really good job if backed. (In my opinion)

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Agreed, we all think that, football people think that, but the owners want to be noticed, they are not football purists, Newcastle is just the latest in a long line of sports vehicles being used to promote themselves and when they all sat down around the table at the beginning of their reign and discussed who was the one man that they needed to steer the ship and be the figurehead of the club that would make all the eyes look to the North East, no way did they think that it was Eddie Howe.

He won't be there much longer. He's pretty good but not good enough. And I'm talking about ability nothing else.

The Owners and the Board will have already lined up the man they want and and if he is any good he won't be available until the summer.

Hopefully Howe is England manager for the World Cup, i think we'd deffo win it with him in charge

Eddie battling tenHaag and Hodgson for favourite in next manager out

Eddie never won anything yet

Would be a staggeringly bad decision to sack him. Who would they appoint in his place?

Players are not good enough. If viewed honestly they are 6th/7th best in the league in terms of quality and depth.

Howe has them at the level they deserve and what would give me hope is he seems to see the players who are holding them back.

The physio looks like he's been let go which shows there is some shake up going on. Botman supposedly played 2 games with torn ACL cos the medical team missed it ffs

I don't think they will sustain a position in top 6 or 7 though,and if not Eddie will be in trouble I think.

gone by FEB,funny to see the mackems put the TOONS EPL season up in the loft whilst putting their xmas decs away,

The Saudis are not going to appoint Big Sam or any other interim manager. They will waint until the end of May to announce their shiny new manager.

why if their going to make change,might as well give any new guy half a season with little hanging on it,to get his ducks in a row,with players away at euro,s not a lot of time in pre season to get sorted

If the new guy is any good he'll currently be employed.

I'd give him a new 5 year contract, that would make the team more stable and let the players know,
Its not the coach, its you lot.

I like Howe but it's right to question the signing of Tonali and how much due diligence was done. Main signing of the summer, tying up millions upon millions and he lasts a couple of weeks before the skeletons tumble out of the closet. Owners must be fuming at that surely.

The Arsenal owners stayed patient with Mikel Arteta after two 8th placed finishes, and now they're reaping the rewards.

This is Howe's first rough patch, during a crazy injury crisis out of his hands.

Hire and fire culture rarely works - give him the chance to turn it around, he will turn it round.

Jan 2, 2024 -- 12:05PM, Tiger Tiger wrote:

The Arsenal owners stayed patient with Mikel Arteta after two 8th placed finishes, and now they're reaping the rewards.This is Howe's first rough patch, during a crazy injury crisis out of his hands. Hire and fire culture rarely works - give him the chance to turn it around, he will turn it round.

Agree, and they're staying patient with him, despite wasting £65m On Havertz, who we all knew was a dud.
And making 2 very good goalies a bundle of nerves, whilst selling the best keeper in the Prem to Villa.
But its no good sacking him as there's nobody else out there and despite a couple of hiccups recently, they're still improving.

I like Howe but it's right to question the signing of Tonali

Surely its not up to Howe to be doing due diligence. IMHO that would fall at Dan Ashworths door.

Ashworths Head of Physio appointment has left the club after only 15 months and paternity leave. I would expect this is linked to Sven Botmans ACL injury not being picked up and him playing 2 games worsening the injury.

Ashworths reputation is massively over rated and he gives me the waft of an "FA Head" bluffer. Tony Bloom rules the roost at Brighton so any recruitment success wouldn't be lain at Ashworths door imho and beyond that I see little real achievement.

I expect Ashworth will leave before Howe.

the main reason for arsenals supposed improvement were l,pool and chelsea falling off a cliff in same season and no ch lg football,
he now has no recognised no 1 goalie or striker and spent 200 mill on 2 players to be in a worse position than 12 months ago, COOL

MBS didn't buy Newcastle to win the FA Cup. He wants to emulate City. Howe has zero chance of helping Newcastle do that.

Howe has already helped Newcastle do that.

Even the fallen giants are scared.

Surely its not up to Howe to be doing due diligence.

absolutely - that's not on Howe at all...

My impression is that Howe has (as is correct in the modern game) has only a part in the recruitment anyway...I'm sure he's consulted and has influence but fewer and fewer clubs leave the manager to pick and choose on his own..

Yeah, fair enough. It's probably more on the DoF if Howe is basically just the coach.

I know from experience here that Liverpool really go deep on the personality of players to root out any dickheads before they're signed. Seems perfectly normal to me. Much more mad to be chucking tens of millions at someone and for it to fall apart in the way that it has. Surely a few chats with ex-colleagues or others with good connections in Serie A would have uncovered some rumours of his hobbies.

So Liverpool did there due diligence on Luis Suárez, El Hadji Diouf, Robbie Fowler the white line sniffer, Jermaine Pennant, Bellamy, Stan Collymore, and I'm sure a few more over the years.

Tonali was at AC Milan for 3 years, a Serie A winner, 15 caps for Italy - and no one invloved with those clubs knew anything about his gambling habit, or at the very least no one is owning up to knowing about it. You can do as much due diligence as you want, and Newcastle do that, but sometimes - it gets you nowhere.

The one obvious thing to come out of this is, is the Pif really need to listen to the lads on here who know best. They need to listen to the smoggies and yorkies,the cockernee reds,the scandi scousers,the folk who really know north east football. then we will be in a good place

presumably nineteen points never gives a view about any other clubs..

Jan 2, 2024 -- 6:47PM, Tiger Tiger wrote:

So Liverpool did there due diligence on Luis Suárez, El Hadji Diouf, Robbie Fowler the white line sniffer, Jermaine Pennant, Bellamy, Stan Collymore, and I'm sure a few more over the years.Tonali was at AC Milan for 3 years, a Serie A winner, 15 caps for Italy - and no one invloved with those clubs knew anything about his gambling habit, or at the very least no one is owning up to knowing about it. You can do as much due diligence as you want, and Newcastle do that, but sometimes - it gets you nowhere.

Lol at having to go so far back.

I was of course referring to Liverpool under Klopp.

sickener for Eddie there

Must be getting used to it now. Liverpool and Milan at home and PSG and Chelsea away .

Well done Newcastle United.

Classic Thread

Been a cold snap and ice just thickened up