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02 May 23
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He has his work cut out!!
15 West Ham United 33 9 7 17 37 47 -10 34
16 Leicester City 34 8 6 20 46 59 -13 30
17 Leeds United 34 7 9 18 43 67 -24 30
18 Nottingham Forest 34 7 9 18 30 62 -32 30
19 Everton 34 6 11 17 27 52 -25 29
20 Southampton 34 6 6 22 28 60 -32 24
Manchester City A
Newcastle H
West Ham A
Spurs H
15 West Ham United 33 9 7 17 37 47 -10 34
16 Leicester City 34 8 6 20 46 59 -13 30
17 Leeds United 34 7 9 18 43 67 -24 30
18 Nottingham Forest 34 7 9 18 30 62 -32 30
19 Everton 34 6 11 17 27 52 -25 29
20 Southampton 34 6 6 22 28 60 -32 24
Manchester City A
Newcastle H
West Ham A
Spurs H
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I remember when Gracia was at Watford and someone asked me who was the Watford manager, and at the time for the life of me I couldn't picture his face let alone his name, has to be the most innocuous manager there's ever been in the prem, it's like he's dead behind the eyes, no personality, charisma and suffice to say, motivation skills, wont be darkening the premier league door again any time soon.
I think the key game in the relegation battle is Forest at home to Southampton this weekend
A win will likely keep them ahead of both Everton and Leeds going into the final game
Given the fixtures left it definitely looks like it's going down to the final game and every team in it has winnable games on the final day. Being ahead at that stage is crucial
Newcastle will have CL football wrapped up by then so that becomes winnable if the toon have been on the lash after sealing it.
City should hammer them but Spurs is another game they should pick up something in
I could see them getting 5 points minimum from those other 3 games
City should hammer them but Spurs is another game they should pick up something in
I could see them getting 5 points minimum from those other 3 games
S.S. Remember not that long ago I said to you that Palace v Forest on the last day could be that Forest need to win that game to stay up. I think you'd sort of given up hope at that stage but things are much different now. That prediction could well come true mate!
Sam is no saviour, he is a dinosaur, if and its a big if, Leeds stay up, it will be that others around them are simply poorer.
Most neutrals (that love Leeds), will now want them to go down. (Sad fact)
Most neutrals (that love Leeds), will now want them to go down. (Sad fact)
Sam's record speaks it for itself and the great thing is that he takes no notice of the backwards sideways play it out from the back mob.
500k for 4 games and 2.5m bonus if he keeps them up, reportedly. He can't do any worse than Gracia. Leeds score enough to win games, unlike Everton and perhaps Forest. If he can shore them up a bit at the back, which he will surely focus on, they have a better chance now. I wouldn't quite call him a dinosaur. He's actually pretty tactically astute at exposing weaknesses in teams. The fixtures he has are more of a problem. I can see Forest picking up 4 or even 6 in their next 2 games. Would be ironic if he kept them up at Everton's expense.
West Ham have Leeds 2nd last game after a SF away leg and then Leicester in the last game. They have 3 tough games before that so they could still be dragged into it on the last day.
What can BIG SAM instil in Leeds in the next few days?
A back 9 and a greyhound waiting on the centre spot?
A back 9 and a greyhound waiting on the centre spot?
Sam Allardyce was probably resigned to never receiving another call of desperation from a club in crisis after his failure to keep West Bromwich Albion in the Premier League two years ago.
It was the 68-year-old's first relegation from the top flight after never suffering the drop at Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle United, West Ham United, Sunderland, Crystal Palace and Everton.
Allardyce's time, it appeared, had finally passed.
And yet the old street fighter has suddenly found another taker for his well-honed 'Fireman Sam' routine in Leeds United, with only four league games to pull off survival at a club in meltdown following the sacking of manager Javi Gracia and director of football Victor Orta.
Allardyce's appointment caps a dysfunctional period at Elland Road, where the club has moved from the all-out attacking intensity of the adored Marcelo Bielsa, through the failures of Jesse Marsch and Gracia, to the arch-pragmatist former England manager.
To say this completes a shift in style and emphasis is an extreme understatement, but desperate clubs take desperate measures and Leeds are very desperate as they career towards the Championship after a spell which included shipping 11 goals in two home games to Crystal Palace and Liverpool culminated in an embarrassing 4-1 defeat at Bournemouth.
Gracia won only three of his 11 league games in charge and Allardyce's appointment, with Leeds only outside the relegation places on goal difference, is one final throw of the dice to maintain their top-flight status.
Quite how Leeds fans take the leap from Bielsa's glorious 'football as entertainment' philosophy, an idealistic but sometimes flawed approach they accepted warts and all, to Allardyce's style based on defensive organisation and fiercely drilled discipline remains to be seen.
The brutal truth, for Leeds and their fans, is that beggars cannot be choosers and even if they dislike the taste of the medicine Allardyce will deliver they will accept it gratefully if it cures their relegation ills.
For Allardyce, it represented an undoubtedly lucrative 'win-win'.
Keep Leeds up and he will be hailed as a miracle-working hero. If Leeds go down he will not be blamed after inheriting a team seemingly in terminal decline with only four games to save them.
Allardyce, as ever, will be confident he can pull it off in daunting away games at Manchester City and West Ham, and at home to Newcastle and Tottenham at what will be a feverish Elland Road.
The big problem is that this current Leeds team looks such an ill fit when placed against Allardyce's trademark strategies.
Leeds' squad has been shaped in the all-out attack image of Bielsa then tweaked by Marsch. They have, at their best, been wonderfully pleasing on the eye but also hugely vulnerable defensively and as confidence has drained away, particularly in goalkeeper Illan Meslier, the problems have got worse.
This is effectively the polar opposite of a Sam Allardyce team.
Allardyce will know exactly what he wants from his players and has proved he knows how to get it. The key question is how can he possibly do this with a squad to which his style may be alien territory, in the space of four games?
Leeds' hierarchy will have studied their options once it was decided to dispense with Gracia and come to the conclusion others have before them - call for Allardyce.
They may feel they have nothing more to lose after clearly deciding Gracia was taking them down. Allardyce does have a track record in this sort of task, although he has always had more than four games to do the trick.
Allardyce will at least bring his iron-clad self-belief and confidence to Elland Road, and will attempt to transmit that to his new charges as quickly as possible. He has no time to lose and nor do Leeds United.
If he turns out to be Leeds' saviour, he will be a hero at Elland Road whether those fervent fans approve of his brash outlook or not.
Allardyce must somehow shore up that leaking defence, take a decision on goalkeeper Meslier, and get the best from attacking talents such as Jack Harrison and Wilfried Gnonto, who looked so dangerous under Marsch but never seemed to convince successor Gracia following his arrival in February.
There is still time for Leeds to save themselves. They have somehow kept out of the bottom three despite the dismal results under Marsch and Gracia this season.
And if one man will be convinced they have time on their side to ensure they are in the Premier League next season, then the consolation - if not exactly comfort - for Leeds and their fans is that it is Sam Allardyce.
It was the 68-year-old's first relegation from the top flight after never suffering the drop at Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle United, West Ham United, Sunderland, Crystal Palace and Everton.
Allardyce's time, it appeared, had finally passed.
And yet the old street fighter has suddenly found another taker for his well-honed 'Fireman Sam' routine in Leeds United, with only four league games to pull off survival at a club in meltdown following the sacking of manager Javi Gracia and director of football Victor Orta.
Allardyce's appointment caps a dysfunctional period at Elland Road, where the club has moved from the all-out attacking intensity of the adored Marcelo Bielsa, through the failures of Jesse Marsch and Gracia, to the arch-pragmatist former England manager.
To say this completes a shift in style and emphasis is an extreme understatement, but desperate clubs take desperate measures and Leeds are very desperate as they career towards the Championship after a spell which included shipping 11 goals in two home games to Crystal Palace and Liverpool culminated in an embarrassing 4-1 defeat at Bournemouth.
Gracia won only three of his 11 league games in charge and Allardyce's appointment, with Leeds only outside the relegation places on goal difference, is one final throw of the dice to maintain their top-flight status.
Quite how Leeds fans take the leap from Bielsa's glorious 'football as entertainment' philosophy, an idealistic but sometimes flawed approach they accepted warts and all, to Allardyce's style based on defensive organisation and fiercely drilled discipline remains to be seen.
The brutal truth, for Leeds and their fans, is that beggars cannot be choosers and even if they dislike the taste of the medicine Allardyce will deliver they will accept it gratefully if it cures their relegation ills.
For Allardyce, it represented an undoubtedly lucrative 'win-win'.
Keep Leeds up and he will be hailed as a miracle-working hero. If Leeds go down he will not be blamed after inheriting a team seemingly in terminal decline with only four games to save them.
Allardyce, as ever, will be confident he can pull it off in daunting away games at Manchester City and West Ham, and at home to Newcastle and Tottenham at what will be a feverish Elland Road.
The big problem is that this current Leeds team looks such an ill fit when placed against Allardyce's trademark strategies.
Leeds' squad has been shaped in the all-out attack image of Bielsa then tweaked by Marsch. They have, at their best, been wonderfully pleasing on the eye but also hugely vulnerable defensively and as confidence has drained away, particularly in goalkeeper Illan Meslier, the problems have got worse.
This is effectively the polar opposite of a Sam Allardyce team.
Allardyce will know exactly what he wants from his players and has proved he knows how to get it. The key question is how can he possibly do this with a squad to which his style may be alien territory, in the space of four games?
Leeds' hierarchy will have studied their options once it was decided to dispense with Gracia and come to the conclusion others have before them - call for Allardyce.
They may feel they have nothing more to lose after clearly deciding Gracia was taking them down. Allardyce does have a track record in this sort of task, although he has always had more than four games to do the trick.
Allardyce will at least bring his iron-clad self-belief and confidence to Elland Road, and will attempt to transmit that to his new charges as quickly as possible. He has no time to lose and nor do Leeds United.
If he turns out to be Leeds' saviour, he will be a hero at Elland Road whether those fervent fans approve of his brash outlook or not.
Allardyce must somehow shore up that leaking defence, take a decision on goalkeeper Meslier, and get the best from attacking talents such as Jack Harrison and Wilfried Gnonto, who looked so dangerous under Marsch but never seemed to convince successor Gracia following his arrival in February.
There is still time for Leeds to save themselves. They have somehow kept out of the bottom three despite the dismal results under Marsch and Gracia this season.
And if one man will be convinced they have time on their side to ensure they are in the Premier League next season, then the consolation - if not exactly comfort - for Leeds and their fans is that it is Sam Allardyce.
Nobody ahead of him not pep, not klopp
not Arteta...
https://twitter.com/fun88eng/status/1653797209165508611?s=19
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not Arteta...
https://twitter.com/fun88eng/status/1653797209165508611?s=19
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Sam is up with Pep and Klpot
Says the ex Bolton player
Must be talking
COFFEE
Says the ex Bolton player
Must be talking
COFFEE
formoftheace 03 May 23 18:47
Chewing and slavering the draw merchant…..
Please explain this peculiar comment.
Chewing and slavering the draw merchant…..
Please explain this peculiar comment.
Sam can walk on water,turn water into wine,and has a trick up his sleeve that involves five loaves and two fish."not a bad CV in my opinion.
"oh,i forgot ,there is a story about SAM and a guy called LAZARUS ,i think most people know the story,THAT;S HOW GOOD SAM IS
I think people forget his 100% record as manager of England,
"There's nobody ahead of me, in football terms. Not Pep, not Klopp, not Arteta."
I think he is Talking about the Pie Counter
I think he is Talking about the Pie Counter
May 3, 2023 -- 10:36PM, casemoney wrote:
"There's nobody ahead of me, in football terms. Not Pep, not Klopp, not Arteta."I think he is Talking about the Pie Counter
Absolute madman. I cannot believe those words came out of his mouth. He's won 4 of his last 30 games as manager so he's a slightly better manager than Frank Lampard (1/26).
What has Arteta accomplished as a manager
Hasn’t his team messed up just when it matters ?
yes it happens - but then again that’s his record so far -worrying ,especially when he
has no record of anything else …
Hasn’t his team messed up just when it matters ?
yes it happens - but then again that’s his record so far -worrying ,especially when he
has no record of anything else …
Let’s see if he and Arsenal can turn this around
and take it to the last match of the season .. it’s possible ..
and take it to the last match of the season .. it’s possible ..
Is there any six foot 4 strikers in youth set up
??
Good luck to them city Newcastle Westham spurs to play
Worried about Leeds speed movement for Westham game
Just have make sure our defence heads in right place
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Good luck to them city Newcastle Westham spurs to play
Worried about Leeds speed movement for Westham game
Just have make sure our defence heads in right place
casemoney 03 May 23 22:36
On BBC morning they called him Big Sam when the whole world knows him as Fat Sam.
As bent as a corkscrew as his England sting exposee proved.
On BBC morning they called him Big Sam when the whole world knows him as Fat Sam.
As bent as a corkscrew as his England sting exposee proved.
sparrow 03 May 23 19:15
formoftheace 03 May 23 18:47
Chewing and slavering the draw merchant…..
Please explain this peculiar comment.
Chewing on the touch line playing for a draw…..well I saved them ! Yeah second prize merchant,show us the trophy cabinet…another Moyes ffs…..
Big Sam !!!! Zzzzzz ffs
formoftheace 03 May 23 18:47
Chewing and slavering the draw merchant…..
Please explain this peculiar comment.
Chewing on the touch line playing for a draw…..well I saved them ! Yeah second prize merchant,show us the trophy cabinet…another Moyes ffs…..
Big Sam !!!! Zzzzzz ffs
Man City players will bury the draw merchant today,not that he will worry about the result today he’ll pray he gets a result at home on the last day……make him the best on planet earth…ffs
AOHW is @ 2.74, that could well be a very decent price.
Yes it will be a wonderful achievement for Pep and his multi million pound boys.
The jaws will be chewing ten to the dozen…..certainly score another 3 at least…
Posted at 16:4916:49
Post update
Man City 2-1 Leeds
There will be four added minutes.
City have a corner but have nobody in the box. The home side take it short and try to waste time in the corner.
How has it come to this?!
Post update
Man City 2-1 Leeds
There will be four added minutes.
City have a corner but have nobody in the box. The home side take it short and try to waste time in the corner.
How has it come to this?!
Turn off to watch the Guinness
It was like different match
City had so many chances
Showed Leeds bit panty line almost took bit of it
Leeds where there keep the score down **** nose how they did it but they did
It was like different match
City had so many chances
Showed Leeds bit panty line almost took bit of it
Leeds where there keep the score down **** nose how they did it but they did
would not want to be in the city changing room now.....fergusons hair dryer i would imagine....
a 2-1 defeat could yet be important if it comes down to GD between Leeds and Everton
3-0 he can than bring off the troops
Had enough chances befor penalty mind you
Had enough chances befor penalty mind you
Well done city, great achievement with that threadbare squad.
Yes sparrow well done when playing mob that wants take our place in league
I’m city all afternoon long today
I’m city all afternoon long today
I’m singing when saints go marching in Monday night too ffs
Win tomorrow won’t give monkeys toss
Be done
Worry about Europe than hard game tomorrow night Man U ain’t lost back to back games in while
Be done
Worry about Europe than hard game tomorrow night Man U ain’t lost back to back games in while
it may be west ham get no more points and i still think they will stay up....
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