WAISTCOAT WANNKKER

Is there a bigger to33er in football manegement ?

Hes without doubt the biggest **** going, loses a tenner finds a fiver and thinks hes had a result type

And he can eat that waistcoat, give us some entertainment

Gareth, C U Next Tuesday.

What will you all be saying if by any chance they win the thing?

The same stewarts. Couple of tourneys ago, be nice just to win one playing so reservedly, but truly had enough of it now.

There is absolutely no way a side who have to set up defensively against the USA are going to win the World Cup.

Southgate is the enemy of football.

I casnnot stand the boring corporate ****.

In the Euros final in spite of him not because of him. We were utterly dominant after he (finally) brought Grealish on. One in front, he took him off again, sat back and Demark all but got back into it. We'd have scored more had he just carried on. Then he cost us the final with the insane late substitution of Rashford, expected to sit on the bench for 119 minutes then come on and win it. The choice of Saka to take one almost as bad. The guys who had earned the draw were the ones to go on and win it or lose it on penalties. What Southgate did was sheer madness. Last night was a lost opportunity to build momentum.

Do agree with you all, it's boring defensive minded football, he manages like he played, a very average midfield player when Villa signed him, they bought Mark Draper from Leicester on the same day and Southgate made Draper look like a superstar, but Brian Little dropped him back into centre back and with God and Ugo alongside him nurtured him into a very decent centre back.
   His general mindset is defensively, doesn't like flair players just calls them (Grealish) and (Foden) on near the end, pathetic really. Sure we said the same about ramsey though after a boring 0-0 with Uruguay and just a thunderbolt from Charlton getting us past Mexico 1-0 in 1st 2 games, who was this kid Ball, who was Peters, where were the wingers, why wasn't Greaves playing etc, but turned out Ramsey knew better than all of us! Just a thought!

We had both Italy (Euro final) and Croatia ('18 WC semi) on the ropes... and he let both of them off the hook

They were especially bad right mecca. It was like he was begging them to get back into the game despite our fortuitously good starts.

Fortunate not fortuitous. (Assuming you mean lucky and not that it happened by chance). A fortuitous event can be considered to have given rise to good or bad luck, or just to be neutral, but it's not inherently lucky in itself.

(And that's one for the "Football expressions you hate" thread).

He's only useful as a bottle opener

he is a coont and stops me watching england play as like the op says he boils my p1ss......sideways and backwards no through balls we have great players who need a manger who understands attacking football.....we cant win this cup he is too scared of trying....

Some on here have mentioned Mount... but I’ve finally questioned why he’s in the team. Maddison should come in but soon as he looks dangerous and gets them moving quickly forward... Gareth will cr@p himself he’s leaving the centre circle exposed.

The way he struck that penalty in 96 best describes what he is

Casual and weak as pi33

Woke me up before I go go

not a fan of his management but should never have been taking that pen...

the self appointed 'guvnor'  was MIA....

For sure Brentford, could see him in the centre circle bricking it and avoiding eye contact.

The “guvnor” missed one vs Argentina 2 years later

But there were others who should have stood up before the waistcoat, Fowler was on the bench and we had one sub left?

All I remember was Gascoigne not having another inch on his studs I was 7 and spent the whole night majorly depressed..

Can just imagine todays team talk. 'just don't get beat by more than 3 lads'

from the football i have seen so far wales are like a good championship side short of the quality required to progress but he will still probably instruct to hold the ball and not play the fluent forward passing game we are capable of......even the players are beginning to open up about performance but if they are directed to play the sh1t he loves it will never improve....

HGS,

You just know he’s thinking this game screams a midfield three of Rice , Henderson and Philips with Sterling and White giving protection to Trippier and Shaw.

Stick Stones as sweeper behind Dier and McGuire to pick up Moore’s flick-ons and it’s job done.

Can’t see worse than 0-2 with that formation although I grant you the bench would be a tad lightweight!

He will be looking for a tight game 0-1/0-0/1-0, a proper min ge

If Southgate was offered a 3-0 loss right now he'd bite your hand off

So here's the thing. A 3-0 win and still underwhelmed. Piss easy group, African team next, probably followed by an European team. Shades of Italia  90 anyone?

No doubt Mount starts again vs Senegal

lol Sonts...wouldn't put it passed him ...Sterling recalled as well...

hide the sharp objects (me, not you...maybe both)

I've rinsed Southgate on here for not being a top manager and not being cut out for this level, but two things, 1. I'd love him to prove me and everyone else wrong, it's nothing against him personally as he seems like one of life's good guys, and you'd have to be pretty sadistic to want to see someone like that fail, but much more importantly, 2, you can never question his bottle, courage and bravery in when it really matters, his in-game decision making might leave a lot to be desired (you'd like to think he's learnt), but he grabbed that ball in 96 and told Venables he was taking that pen, he was confident and he took responsibility when his country needed him most, unlike Anderton, McManaman and Ince who all could have taken it but didn't volunteer, in Ince's case he didn't even have the courage to face the goal when pens were being taken. Southgate is a lot of things but lacking in character and a bottle job is not one of them. Never seen a look of devastation on a players face than his when he realised he'd missed. That was the first international tournament I remember, the next was World Cup 98, suffice to say I wasn't looking forward to Euro 2000. I thought there was an unwritten rule where we had to go to penalties in every tournament. It's also worth stating that Southgate at the time, was the youngest player in the starting line up and the least capped.

Didn't like him raking in the money afterwards from pizzahut and ballboy shoe adverts but tbh, I'd have done the same thing. Kind Regards.

Probably the biggest piece of shyte you have ever written on here mes, and I kinda like what you write

Didn't like him raking in the money afterwards from pizzahut and ballboy shoe adverts but tbh, I'd have done the same thing. Kind Regards.

Says it all really

Thats a fair enough thing Mes

Wont stop me going full blooded when he messes up again

*usually kind of like what you write

Probably the biggest piece of shyte you have ever written on here mes

how'd you mean hgs, man took ball, man put ball on spot, man kicked ball, 25 million people watching, that's bravery under pressure, right up there with the bomb defusal squads and the SOS, unlike Ince, man who was sat down with two balls on the grass instead, and neither were footballs. Southgate is the sort of leader of men that you'd want in the trenches with you, much like Martin Keown, they wouldn't put their heads above the parapet every now and then, wimpishly firing at the enemy, they'd be jumping up and down catching bullets with their teeth. They'll be a new England manager by the end of the year and if he can add Southgate's balls to his tactical nous we might win the Euro's in Germany in 2 and half years time. Kind Regards.

that's bravery under pressure, right up there with the bomb defusal squads and the SOS,

start with that

and if he can add Southgate's balls to his tactical nous

and finish with that.

Am I reeled in?

To be fair, he's overachieved with the players he's had - semis previous WC, final nearly winning the Euros. Did we really have awesome world class players while doing that? Not sure we did.

He may not be a great manager, but he knows how to 'manage' a tournament route.

Said before I could put up with it once. Be under no illusion. our players are as good as any others in this WC. Of course we can win it...if we want to.

the counter to that argument stu is that the only top side we beat in either of those tournies was Germany...

played against a lot of average stuff to get those outcomes...WC '18 - Tunisia, Panama, Belgium (L) Colombia (pens) Sweden, Croatia (L) Bel (L)
Euros '21 -  Croatia, Scotland, Czech Rep, Germany, Ukraine, Denmark, Italy (L)

That England squad is up there with the others

Every team has one top lad in their team

France are fluid, Brazil are flamboyant

We seem to be very structured and dont look as impressive in winning as those two mentioned but they can beat those two if they stop them from doing the things theyre good at. Easier said than done, but they can do it.

Southgate is the spanner..

Idrissa Gueye being suspended a big blow for Senegal No manny
Waistcoat is very lucky manger

This WC is up for grabs, no outstanding team, a few very good ones, all about who dares wins. Our lack of belief always kicks in when most needed

Too much criticism of Southgate for me only justified if Mount is back in the starting line up on Sunday

Yes I am frustrated by his negativity but he is the man in charge

I am also thinking maybe he should play Rice, Henderson and Bellingham in the knockout stages

Last night's result, and to some extent the performance,(Rashford's overall performance is being hyped to the rafters), only serves to demonstrate how wrong the approach v USA was.

Nov 30, 2022 -- 1:27AM, stu wrote:

To be fair, he's overachieved with the players he's had - semis previous WC, final nearly winning the Euros. Did we really have awesome world class players while doing that? Not sure we did.He may not be a great manager, but he knows how to 'manage' a tournament route.

Look a the teams he's beaten at majors versus the teams he's lost to. That is not overachievement. It is nothing special whatsoever, especially with home advantage at the euros. The draws he's got are entirely responsible for any misguided sense of overachievement.

England have been one of the best in the world at beating inferior sides for a long time. They were unbeaten in 20 qualifiers under Hodgson and won 10/10 in one campaign. It is not a barometer of where they are vis-a-vis the top sides like Brazil, Spain, France. They can't seem to hold their own in midfield against top sides and generally get dominated. But they took the lead very early against Croatia and Italy. Perhaps if they take the lead in the second half they might have enough to hold on.

Both Rashford’s goals were goal keeping errors.

Saka back in on right for me.

Ideally Foden at 10 with Rashford OR Sterling at 11 and Rice and Bellingham in the middle

At worst Henderson, Rice and Bellingham. Sala and any one of Rashford, Creakish, Foden or even Sterling on the left

If Mou t starts…….

If England were to win this world cup it would be in spite of Southgate, not because of him. England have a great squad of players to thank for the fairly good form shown in a couple of recent tournaments. Southgate is a joke as manager.

Will he start Mount? If he does expect them to make a mess of it

Senegal will be hoping he does start him

spot on basil. gareth is awful but england have the best squad in the world, so even joe cole could get them to go all the way if they rode their luck in spite of the management.

Southgate sees football different than most fans.
He played in defence in an average villa side.
He never went out with tactics of trying to win a game. He spent years going out trying to not lose. Everything about his tactics screams don’t lose. He isn’t a winner. Dosent know how to win. Never been in a team that makes subs to try and finnish teams off.
He also believes that if you don’t lose you can’t be knocked out,bar pens or a fluky last minute goal.
Also by losing gallantly he also keeps his job,
He onLy ever makes subs as a last ditch attempt when he’s run out of ideas.
So it’s always 85 mins etc.

How could anyone watch England v USA and believe Jordan Henderson is needed. Desperate stuff

He slavishly sticks with Kane. Proven in the last 2 tournaments he isn’t good enough. He’s kept on the pitch for 120 mins to take a pen,4 touches in their box in 2 games,1 game we scored 6.
His office is closest to spurs,so he’s probably seen more spurs games than any other.

2 tournaments Kane has proven he’s not good enough,but on he ploughs.

He’s not really arsed about front 3. He’s obsessed with defence and midfield. It’s all he knows. Hoping Kane might fluke him a goal.
We should of won at least 3/4 world cups,but weak management cost us.

If Senegal don’t beat us,then the next team will,

Other USA game was there to win,so to was the Italy euros,but Gareth only sees how can we stop them attacking us,

Jordan Pickford is an accident waiting to happen,that’s how we ll go out,

Japan at 85/1 might surprise.

He slavishly sticks with Kane. Proven in the last 2 tournaments he isn’t good enough. He’s kept on the pitch for 120 mins to take a pen,4 touches in their box in 2 games,1 game we scored 6.

6 [six] goals scored against Iran and Star Striker Harry didn't have a single shot, not even one off-target.  People will say he was 'drawing defenders out' and other fancy sh*t but for a striker to not have a single shot in a game where his side is rampant is appalling.

If you give Jane the correct service, he will score

Mrs Mo always asks why Son isn't playing alongside Kane?  Sometimes life can be difficult!!!!

Kane lol

Southgate gif it Right today

He’s good at getting past the lesser sides and plotting his way through

We’ll see if he finally gets a rubber stamp win against a truly good side next week..

Wily old Gareth drawing them out with his slow tempo, sideways passing tactics and then hitting them with the old one-two.

I think.

I have to laugh about the claims his good runs have been beating poor sides - those same sides have historically knocked us out of tournaments so many times, maybe even qualifying defeats. They are all still international sides that have to be beaten and we haven't always managed that, even against so-called 'weaker' sides.

We may well lose against France, having said that, as may the entire WC opposition potentially. That would be no shame in a WC QF against the holders.

The idea that this team is good despite Southgate is laughable. He's a very good coach for these. It's not the most exciting football by any means but he has them in a good shape, they all know their jobs and play as a team. It's not a collection of talents like some teams, or a team set up to serve one or two stellar talents but a squad of generally 7/10 players who become 8.5/10 when put together.

Still think France are better and should knock them out but I bet they're more worried about the tie than England are currently. France are still a bit disunited and if you can keep M'Bappe quiet in the opening stages you may see their heads drop as they start looking round for who to blame rather than digging in.

I highly doubt France are more worried. They will see themselves as superior technically and tactically like the Croatians and Italians did and will be licking their lips at the prospect of facing England, who they will see as overhyped (eg farmers' league). Don't be surprised if Deschamps gets the better of Southgate tactically too.

You'd think Deschamps would encourage Mbappe to come off his favoured wing position and play on the shoulder of the CB's as he has much too much pace for Maguire and Stones and play their game accordingly while England will try and defend deep and counter

Since england were treated like heroes, returning back from italy in 1990. The mindset of losing on penalties.... will always be the best of the worst options, scape goating the players that miss

I don't think France are better certainly not sans Mbappe!

I think it is a tough call and the Gods will decide!

Dembele is a good player so is Saka!

Bellingham is growing into a something special but Rabiot has been playing well too.

Both defences are on parade!

We have as good a chance as we need!

Southgate is managing to ringfence his players away from the media and the constant distraction of the social media bullshine....

If he prevents his players heads from wobbling ... they may have half a chance

Same old. Time for someone else.

France missing 3 top players:
Pogba
Kante
Benzema
Still too much for Engerland.