VAR And Decisions Today In The Prem

West Ham was a shocker Sont just a shocker has got completely out of control.

The West Ham makes me numb

Its becoming a parody at this point

No mention of the own goal at Newcastle; beyond embarrassing how they overturned that one

Willocks goal against Palace was an absolute disgrace. West Ham the final nail in its coffin

Totally agree its purposely being done to drum up artificial controversy and get games in the headlines.

I would raise serious questions over the Willock decision in particular.

Was a clear and obvious Error missed?

No so why refer the goal to VAR?

They also only showed him one angle.

VAR doesnt make refs any better. it only shows they are incompetent and do not know the rule book.

They were only supposed to check offsides *whistles*

Now it’s everything ... slowly slowly fry a frog only they’ve just slung the frog in the bin ffs

Football is ruined by money. Listening to your average PL fan is painful. You had an absolute moron from Liverpool claiming FSG haven't invested enough in players.......LOL

They bought Diaz, Nunez for big fees.....since January. Have won and gotten to finals nearly every season..

The absolute nauseating entitlement is comical.

Liverpool fan on call in show ^

It needs a proper gutting does football in this country

Fans are starting to wish they’d cleared off to have their super league and you can’t blame them. The rich have totally made the game unbearable now, silly gimmicks and Monopoly money have numbed it beyond belief.

It’s time we did away with them, they won’t just leave and they’ll have this unfounded arrogant notion they can take our clubs with them to the Qatari lands for their fancy 16 team bore fest year in year out, these people are.... boring

A paper was bragging how the prem had cleared 2 billion quid in fees... it’s clearly not real money is it I think that much is obvious now

completely agree.

forest are near odds on for the drop after supposedly spending near 200m euro LOL

Notice its only in England where VAR isn't fit for purpose. Seems to work fine in other countries and in continental competitions

to make a simple mistake like that in the Villa at the highest level is unforgiveable, I'd be checking his betting history, he clearly did not want a Villa winner, why else would you do that, the ref shouldn't have blown any way.

Flem

To be fair in Brazil (for example) it does seem to be getting used a lot better. Argentina is awfully slow though, ive seen them take 8 minutes to chalk a goal off.

In Europe its used a lot better but from what ive seen its kept to offsides and penalties which is its intended purpose.

Over here its like another universe of sh!te

Sep 3, 2022 -- 8:38PM, Racingqueen wrote:

completely agree. forest are near odds on for the drop after supposedly spending near 200m euro LOL

Its sad isnt it

You could have given that money (if it actually exists I do have doubts, would love tomsee a money trail) to people who truly need it, not used it for a club that still a punching bag.

Unfortunately there is nothing any of us on here, or any of the millions of real fans, can do. The VAR money machine funding officials et al with an extra income is now entrenched in the system and will be here forever. There is more controversy in the EPL with VAR in place than in the EFL where it is not. At the very least why can it not be made compulsory for the Stockley Park idiots to be made to explain in detail why they have arrived at the decisions. Don't hold you breath waiting for this to happen!

Earl

They want us to think we cant do jack though. Its taught apathy, just accept the “elites” have all the power, accept them as your masters and dont ever think you can question or remove them.

Fact is they are weak without that apathy in everyone, they know it hence why they target us from a young age

the answer is easy go and watch real football

there is so much out thee

im off towatch stockport no ficking VAR there

Understand and completely agree Dragon but what hacks me off is the fact that whilst I still want to watch Premier League football (and there have been some really good games so far this season) VAR seems to cause more controversy than before it existed. I'm almost certain that genuine football fans would much rather bin it & go back to decisions being made right or wrong on the field at the time. Today has been a disaster for the officials both on field and off and if the goals at Everton, Newcastle, Villa & Chelsea had all been allowed would there have been any more arguments than there are in place already?

Aye dragon

I watch all different leagues and theres more enjoyment to be had away from VAR infested rubbish

It makes me long for the days of football without VAR

you don't get rid of VAR, that's just going back to the stone ages, if you did, when they'll be contentious decisions you'll just getting people calling for technology to be used, instead you just keep embarrassing them until they get it right. The Mendy one was so bad the ref should be sacked, how can you make a decision like that at the elite level, and he went and watched it again, Mendy must be laughing himself to sleep.

If they use it how they used it in Brazil then it would be bearable

Ive been on the recieving end tonight in Brazil but the decision was correct it was rightly chalked off

But this lot are getting involved when its not possible to get involved, the West Ham one... I just cant wrap my head around how bad that is.

Its unfair on the fans as well though, its stopping celebrating a goal which is what this game is all about

“Thats 45,000 fans willing that ball in, when it goes in the sheer relief, joy amd adrenaline is like no other.... then var chalks it off”

Theyre energy stealers, the absolute scum that they are

It feels like we are getting more wrong decisions with VAR than we had before its introduction. Makes me think our standard of refereeing wasn’t as bad as we thought.

The Villa ‘goal’ yesterday went against everything the linesmen and refs have been told to do. A player can be three yards offside and they don’t raise their flags.

The real shock yesterday was the ref who wes sent to the monitor and actually stood by his original decision.  And I'm a West Ham fan!

VAR should be scrapped with immediate effect.The game was much more enjoyable pre VAR and we should just accept that referees will make mistakes from time to time. Because of the pace of the modern game, especially the premiership why not use 2 ref's in a game, one in each half and they use their earpiece to converse with each other on bookings and whatnot. I'd much prefer this than the filth that is VAR

I’m all for VAR ..
So many poor decisions before VAR ,
especially at Old  Trafford  !!
They are not doing so well now the dodgy pen
decisions have stopped flowing for them ..

People makes mistakes,refs & linesman are only human.
Every goal now scored is forensically checked taking
all the joy out of the game.
It's Sh1t,ruins the game,bin the fcking thing.

Var was brought in to correct obvious mistakes.

Not to overturn correct or debateable decisions.

It's getting worse as var officials are using
var to change outcomes.

Good point scissors!lol The answer for me is 2 ref's. If they can't keep on top of the action in their own designated half and still make mistakes? Then you really can't help them. Like Penzance said, forensically analysing every decision has sucked all the joy out of the game. Goal line technology has been a good improvement but VAR has to be binned IMO

Correct yhtl.

That is exactly the crux of it.
They are over stepping their remit and manipulating results.

Personally I find it very dodgy.

It should be a brilliant tool in the right hands.

The absolute worst set of rules in football are anything to do with offside.

The offside rules are an absolute stain on the game.

They are now basically ruling a player offside if his left elbow is ahead of the defender. The whole thing is a farce and against the spirit of the rule.

You know its bad when teams systematically use the rules to defend as part of the game ....."Playing offside"

VAR has been excellent. Clarity on the rules and human error are still the problem but sometimes VAR does stop obvious mistakes and bias.

People bitched before VAR. People like bitching.

Rugby and particular cricket have benefitted from camera technology.

I think football fans are just a lot more biased and ignorant and could start a fight in an empty room.

WD appears with his usual load of old bollocks...VAR is an absolute disaster for footy,works brilliantly in other sports especially  cricket but VAR in football has rifled the sheer ecstasy out of celebrating a "goal"...similar to Dragon i now get my soccer fix at the lower end of the spectrum(Exmouth Town FC) where a goal is a goal,celebrated by players and supporters alike.Yesterday's pitiful display by those in charge  only highlighted the inadequacies of those at the top end of the PL.

It ruins all sports

Pointless post WD. It's works well in other sports because of the stop-start nature of those particular sports. Good post Twizzle. If what happened yesterday doesn't spell the end of VAR in British football? Then nothing will.

Don't want rid of var, just get folk
that use it correctly.


Most other leagues and tournaments use it
to great effect.


Even the ladies euros had decent var!

Better then to have a challenge system as they do in other sports.


Like I said football is full of stupid ignorant biased people

The Premier League is to review the operation of VAR at Newcastle and Chelsea yesterday with referees’ organisation PGMOL as a matter of priority.

If cricket officials gave silly decisions
based on what they saw they would be removed
and the system would continue..

Football has bent over to protect carp officials

You don’t get many goals a good as MacAllisters chalked off by VAR!

What annoys me is when people say, "It's here and it's not going anywhere so we'll just have to get on with it"

Well it's only here if we let it stay, why not be the first league to bin it off, the rest will follow in time.

Exactly Duffy. We can say we've given it a fair trial and it does have its merits but all things considered, it's not and never will be the answer. Should be binned with immediate effect

I agree.

When it was first introduced I thought we would be getting more goals, goals that were wrongly cancelled out for offside would now stand. Instead it seems like goals are forensically scrutinised and ruled out wherever possible. I thought it was supposed to be used for clear and obvious error. A player being an inch offside isn’t clear and obvious, even though he is actually offside!

Sep 4, 2022 -- 3:18PM, duffy wrote:

What annoys me is when people say, "It's here and it's not going anywhere so we'll just have to get on with it"Well it's only here if we let it stay, why not be the first league to bin it off, the rest will follow in time.

good point

It works well elsewhere, they won't dump it.


We can dump it, but then we still have carp refs.

They seem to manage ok without it in the Championship etc.

There’s obviously still errors in the Championship but that’s part and parcel of it. We are still getting loads of errors with VAR.

The errors are still generally human errors and football fans generally only see things one way. Offside has improved and is now more accurate.

I’m a neutral when it comes to watching PL games. I have no bias whatsoever. VAR is making games far less enjoyable for me.

My understanding is that it is there to correct clear and obvious errors. When a player is offside by a few millimetres and the referee has given a goal, has he made an obvious error? He hasn’t in my mind. Every goal seems to be checked no matter what.

Arsenal disallowed goal what a joke just was stronger than his opponent the whole weekends football has been badly affected by the dreaded VAR

Officiating hasn't gotten any better, imo, since VAR was introduced. That alone says to me that it isn't working, but the fact that officiating seems to have gotten worse is definitely good reason to scrap it. There are too many interfering, "look at me" officials as it is. Too many of them want to influence games. That's not what they are there for. What happened to the old aphorism that says " the Ref has had a good game when you don't notice him"?
these refs with their VAR, you can't help but notice them, and that's not what most fans want.

PGMOL, the referees’ body, has effectively admitted the respective VAR decisions to disallow goals at Chelsea and Newcastle on Saturday were wrong and promised to “fully co-operate” with a Premier League review of the incidents.
The Professional Game Match Officials’ Board took the rare step of “acknowledging” the specific controversies in a statement on Sunday, and accepted the Premier League’s request for an additional investigation.
VAR decisions in all affected matches are already reviewed by a five-strong independent panel comprising representatives of the Premier League and the PGMOL as well as three former players, with their findings sent to the clubs concerned. So it is significant that PGMOL has taken the extra step after Saturday’s action, with West Ham denied a late equaliser against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, while Newcastle drew 0-0 with Crystal Palace after a Tyrick Mitchell own goal was ruled out at St James’ Park.
“PGMOL acknowledge the incidents to disallow the goals in the Chelsea v West Ham and Newcastle v Crystal Palace fixtures,” read a statement. “We will fully co-operate and collaborate with the Premier League and their request to review these two particular incidents, using the outcome as part of the ongoing assessment of weekly performances and the development of our match officials going forward.”
Both decisions were heavily criticised, with David Moyes, the West Ham manager, branding VAR official Jarred Gillett unfit for duty after confronting referee Andy Madley. Maxwel Cornet’s strike was cancelled out after a VAR review, with Jarrod Bowen deemed to have fouled Edouard Mendy as he attempted to reach a ball which was spilled by the goalkeeper.
“I’m amazed that VAR sent the referee for him to see it,” said a furious Moyes. “But I thought even if he goes to the TV there’s no way he’s overturning this, because this is a goal. It was a ridiculously bad decision.
“I’d question VAR today as much as the referee. But the referee should have stuck to his own guns. The sad thing is this is the level of the weak refereeing at the moment.
“Look, ultimately, I make loads of mistakes, referees can make loads of mistakes. But I would hope if the referee made a mistake, that’s why it’s corrected by VAR. But if you’re saying today that the referee’s mistake was corrected by VAR, I’m saying I do not see that in a million years. And I’m actually more embarrassed for the guy who did the VAR than I am even for the referee.”
Newcastle manager Eddie Howe was more measured in his reaction to seeing Mitchell’s own goal overturned. Referee Michael Salisbury ruled it out for a foul by Joe Willock on goalkeeper Vicente Guaita. “I didn’t think it should have been disallowed, personally, I thought it was a foul or a push on Joe Willock in the build-up to the ball coming in,” said Howe.
“Joe’s momentum is fixed at that point from his opponent, it then carries him into the goalkeeper. But without that push, there’s no way that Joe would have gone in with that force, so for me it’s not a foul. If anything, it’s a penalty if it’s not a goal, so I was very surprised with the outcome.”

https://twitter.com/bnwbanter/status/1566491641220927488?s=19

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i have said this from the very beginning but at the end of the day,each and every decision is down to one mans opinion.whether he is on the pitch,in he tunnel or a studio 200miles away,its down to an opinion.kicking the can down the street to take the onus of you and put it on to someone else isnt the answer

The PGMOL have just released the following statement : The PGMOL have completed their review of the VAR incidents in yesterdays EPL matches between Chelsea v West Ham and Newcastle v Crystal Palace and have made recommendations to the Premier League that both matches be replayed as soon as the fixture list permits .

The main ref now is the guy in VAR not the ref on the field as the VAR ref has the power to decide what is to be reviewed pitch side and we all know that on 99% of these occasions the on field ref will agree with VAR but the problem is some of these numpties in VAR for example Lee Mason,Mike Dean make terrible decisions that the on field ref feels obliged to go with apart from Michael Oliver this weekend who stuck with his original decision.

Don't get the uproar with the West Ham one. Bowen catches the keeper with both his feet, doesn't get the ball, looked like he meant it too and easier to try leap over the keeper or to avoid contact. Clear foul and it's on a keeper. Arsenal have more of a case but that was also a foul. It's the push in the back not the contact on the knee.

But we will see players going down easily safe in the knowledge that it will be reviewed when if it wasn't they'd play on. Mendy did this yesterday. Keepers would be the last players to go down with the ball loose in the box before VAR.

Lurka doesn't get it full stop.

Sorry you go in and catch the keeper like that it's a foul all day long. If you miss the ball and catch an outfield player outside the box like that it's the same, if a defender misses the ball and catches the forward like that in the box it's a penalty. It was a much clearer foul than Odegaard's which was also a foul. The Newcastle one is the only shocking decision.

You also said above that PGMOL 'effectively admitted' that the 2 decisions were wrong. They have done nothing of the sort. All they have said at this point is that they acknowledge that they were controversial decisions and accepted a request for further investigation. They have 'effectively admitted' nothing.

Not me who doesn't get it.

Managers and players don't help themselves by complaining only when it affects their team and saying nothing when the shoe is on the other foot. They are even more inconsistent than the refs/VARs.

Yes 95% of the footballing fans think it was wrong but you come along with your daft description of the incident and claim something completely different has happened.

Lee Mason on var looked at a shirt pull on Sean longstaff

Nothing given, but that's game week 4, not enough
fuss made so he rules out Newcastle goal game week 6.


Thats why it's important to highlight the ones
that go against you.


If 2 teams hadn't been adversely then nothing would be done.


If it's a foul on Chelsea keeper and var looks for them
and gives them then 0-0 is going to be a popular score.

My thoughts were West ham player may have been
considering a dive over keeper but realised he was
way too late, pulled out and brushed keeper, who
made most of contact, but could easily have
got straight back up.

Even Chelsea fans have admitted it was a ridiculous decision which makes me wonder where you're coming from with such claims.

adversely affected

PGMOL have admitted both were mistakes in the Chelsea & Newcastle games.

saw Shaka Hislop embarrassingly trying to defend the Mendy one, great example of a biased pundit, a member of the Goalkeepers union defending the indefensible.

If ref had given the foul on keeper (mendy)
I wouldn't expect var to overturn it!

I agree with a Lurka

I think the forward left his foot down to dig the keeper because he didn't get the ball out of frustration. That’s an opinion. If a United player pushed an Arsenal player in the back and they scored then it would have been blue murder. Even with a challenge system in place the VAR ref could have called things either way. If Arsenal went on to win the game yesterday if the goal was allowed do you think Manu fans would say its a mans game? Get on with it because I don’t like the flow of the game to stop?

Football fans...logical

Now we know they got it wrong when WD supports the alternative version.

Was thinking the exact same thing , sparrow

I take it you two have only ever played netball?

The forward left his foot in. We’ve all done it!

Any United fans want to say Ericsson is a big girls blouse and should man up, it was never a foul?

Football fans...brains of a rocking horse! Biased, ignorant and stupid on the whole!

Your generalisation of all football fans is appreciated . Thank you

Whisperingdeath • September 5, 2022 12:16 PM BST

The forward left his foot in. We’ve all done it!

If Bowen 'left his foot in' in order to claim a foul/penalty then how come he wasn't sprawled on the ground in the 6-yard box ?
Not easy to claim a penalty when you're still on your feet

Am I wrong?

It is a generalisation!

Thank you for confirming my point so eloquently Reynard.

The ball was gone by the time the forward got to the goal keeper. He knew it. It was so far gone the forward was not trying to get a penalty. He left his foot in through frustration knowing he would catch the goal keeper as he thought imho that the chance was gone. Had he known his own player behind him was going to put the ball in the net he could easily have hurdled the keeper.

Football fans...brains of a rocking horse! Biased, ignorant and stupid on the whole!

I rest my case!

Case dismissed

People nuts on here
If you saw the game itself
The ref let strong Physical tackles go all game
He brushed mendy The minge ffs
Corrupt as **** this league

Odegaards foul was obvious and goal was rightly chalked off.

As with wolves goal v Newcastle.




The foul on mendy was laughable as a foul.

If you give them, then you stop game at every chalkenge
for var to decide if a player has broken a nail.

If you want that given as a foul then you must be
playing netball rules.

Corrupt as **** this league

I can't say I totally agree with that but VAR does make it possible. It should be discarded now, or at least in this country, if that is permitted. I don't think it will be though; it is here to stay and these threads will surely follow.

Agree with you 100% , Aspro . However I'm not sure either that the governing bodies ie. FIFA / UEFA would permit that .
And we are only too well aware of their history regarding corruption

Penalty decisions are easily resolved.. . Handballs and did the defender get the ball before the man. These are essential and seem to work perfectly. We deal in facts and not opinions.

Reynard's back!

Never really went away , Emitdeb . Just gonna keep things low key while we battle relegation and your lot go about winning the league

Starting to look inevitable..

I'm staying Mum

Lee Mason not on var for West ham v Newcastle game.

Indeed he has next weekend off.

Anyone with Netflix watch ..Untold operation flagrant foul.

It was a weekend belly full with it.

This country should discard it in our leagues, and they should refuse to allow it to be used in European competition similar to India with the cricket version before buckling to pressure, although it works beautifully in cricket so never understood their stance at the time.

Forget challenges in football ffs, it works in cricket because there only one thing for them to check ffs

With football its far more rule based

If I was starting to watch football again I would never chose to watch a Premier League team.

In cricket its all simple and nothing can be interpreted

In football it needs to flow and we cant have silly discussions about whether he left his foot in deliberately, hes not going to admit to it is he.

The ref was put there as a final word, if he deems it deliberate he’ll book him for it, if he sees it as a penalty he’ll give it

We need to teach respect for the ref and properly train and teach the refs, not bringing in a bunch of muppets in a box deciding everything 100s of miles away.

The problem is weve got money driven,, we need healthy competition and an enjoyment for it

People take losing so personal ffs

Lads... its a game.. you go home to the wife and kids or wherever at the end of it.

Can't you get more than a few lines in a post?  Post after post for just seven lines.

could west ham toon game be first ever premier league game when both teams win?

probably not,the southern bias will shine through.