england 3.3 to win euros people gone mad

Weird guy is our Lou

Belguim are no1, but the italians
totally knocked them out of their stride.

It was an easy game

Looking forward to see if they
can do that to a team like spain

Going to be a corker.

YHTL

I think England have always been difficult to beat but offer little going forward.  It's always been said they lack guile and creativity.  Apart from tonight they'd scored 1   0   1 and   2

We've always had too much creativity
believed the hype and gone home early.

We had a good team in 1966
and 1970

Then again in 1990,when they said
we had an easy draw...

And now I think we are pretty strong
and can compete.

We had home advantage in 66 and 96
and again now.

96 proved home advantage alone
is not enough.

Lou ffs, put your sensible head on eh?

The Groups for the last World Cup were done by ranking and were much of a muchness, the teams that qualified from the Groups were the ones expected too, the only surprise was Germany finishing bottom against Sweden, Mexico and South Korea, did you think that was an easy Group? ? Which Group do you think was easy? England group was no easier or harder that that of any of the seeded teams, thats the way the draw goes.

Tiger

Conversation Over.

Can't 'talk' to someone on here who blatantly won't admit the truth.  It's like if you were Albanian and I asked you "Do you think you will win the World Cup ext year" and rather than simply admit "Haha no of course not" you say "Yes I think we will"

Can't have a conversation with that sorry.

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Aye, conversation over

It's a bit like saying djokovic
has an easy draw at wimbledon
because of seedings..

^ We obviously had a good group with an average Croatia, Czech's and your shower but suggesting Germany/Ukraine/Denmark/Italy or Spain is easy is taking Scottish straw clutching to sad new limits.

Maybe you stay away from this forum for the next couple of weeks, mate, I don't see it doing your mood any good...

that was to LOU

can't believe Italy will be odds against when playing Captain Waistcoat's merry men in the final

England haven't had much creativity since Gazza when they got to 2 SFs and lost both on pens to the Germans.

It is more the draws than anything else that has got them to 2 more SFs under Southgate, but you can only beat what's in front of you.

A lot of people getting carried away and underestimating Denmark, including the market. Tonight's game was the same performance with little creativity in midfield against a team who couldn't defend aerial balls. Even at with an early 1 goal lead and second half with a 2 goal lead England didn't create to much apart from set-pieces. He didn't really let the shackles off the players at all or play differently when ahead. He switched to a 4-4-2 for the final 15 mins of the first half because Ukraine were actually outplaying England and getting into goalscoring positions. He reverted at half time, but you can see that he's still more concerned about the opposition even when ahead.

Denmark are nothing like Ukraine. They look a lot more solid at the back with 2 dominant centre-halves and are able to defend set-pieces. They are also one of the best attacking teams left and are potent in attack and shoot a lot. From what we've seen tonight, Southgate will still play cagey with a 1 goal lead and invite teams onto him. England's defence wasn't really troubled tonight but there were still mistakes from Walker and Pickford that could have been costly. The way Southgate plays you need a really poor team to lose by more than 2 to this England side and we got that tonight. It doesn't seem likely to me that England will be comfortable against Denmark even with a 1 goal lead and not likely either that they'll get a 2 goal lead until late perhaps. I don't think the prices reflect that.

How much did you lose tonight Guiseppe?

Croatia and Czechs are average

Scots are shight at this level

Germany a good team

Ukraine below average

Denmark average

once again Southgate has been lucky with the draw

everything tiger

i'm typing this from a 24 hour internet cafe

JC

So we agree on the easy group great.  Phew!

So of all the teams in the last 16 England get Germany who are obviously considered a good team (not the same old Germany as usual but decent) then the mighty Ukraine and now the mighty Denmark!

Come on man ffs.

Ukraine were almost as bad defending aerial balls tonight as Panama in the World Cup

Oh fcuk off will you's lucky lucky lucky, but never unlucky when we lose, ffs.

Ukraine tonight are about as bad a team as you will ever see in a quarter final

have you forgotten Muller's miss for **** sake

lurka

That's what I'm saying.  England very difficult to beat but offer little themselves.

I think Denmark will give them a game and hopefully beat them but HONESTLY? (you lot really should try HONESTY sometime it's so much better than lying)  you'd have to fancy England of the two specially at home.

Had Scotland topped the easy group
they would have had same route to final.

you're also playing nearly all your matches at home

that shouldn't have been allowed

you should have had to play round of 16 and semi final somewhere elese

Having drawn with England you
only had to beat 2 poor teams
by more than England did.

Ukraine used to provide the Soviet Union with their first 11. We couldn't beat them in 2012 or 2011 , both games a draw in the World Cup Qualifiers and we lost to them in the 2012 euros........................but tonight..it was an easy draw.,....

they were the weakest team in the last 8

you'll be playing the weakest team in the last 4 as well

No they weren't, England were surely?

Denmark lol

at this stage you'd expect to be playing a top nation

YHTL

That's the difference though.  I'm admitting, being TOTALLY HONEST and saying my team Scotland are very poor and if they had have got out of the group in top spot they'd have gone straight out after.

It's coming home. But unfortunately to Rome.

Denmark, and at home

yeah not lucky at all

Deplast'

I hope so.

not quite West Germany in Turin is it?

it's coming a casa, plasterer

Guiseppe, it might have escaped your attention but Denmark are previous holders of this title and therefore should be favourites against a nation who have never even reached the final before?

Denmark were about 100-1 to win the tournament

at this level they're minnows

Southgate is a Vodoo master. Controls the draw with his art of black magic. If England would have fallen in the other half would have been out by now. He fo0ked their best chance up when he was gifted a world cup semi against the mighty nation of Croatia, comparable to Wales in size and they went out. Good chance the might of the 5 million Danes will ko them as well tbh.
Ukraine Sweeden Colombia on pens and home match with Germany their knock out stage route to 2 major semis is 1 ell of a easy ride that wont keep happening.

Sonts, said something the other night which I think is true, with England winning against these poor teams, the momentum will be with them and the English nation behind them,,they are dangerous team to play. But having said that 9 times out of 10 Italy will be beat them, Wembley or not.

I think Scotland are miles better
than they were 4 years ago.

Confidence can bring through
players, and those with dual
qualifications suddenly welcome
a phone call from Glasgow.

England have at least 5 players
who are qualified to play for
Ireland..

Scotland (late 70s,early 80s)showed they could compete,
but like England back in the
day were far too naive, and
blew out early.

Surely as previous holders they have more street cred than little old useless, luck with the draw, Engerland who have never even reached the final before?

Deplasterer, England v Italy, 27 games, 8 won, 8 losy and 11 drawn, where do you get this '9 times out of 10 Italy will be beat them, Wembley or not' from???

YHTL

Have to say I was pleasently surprised with Scotland they have improved a tiny bit.  Unfortunately it means they've gone from about a 4/10 team to maybe a 5/10 at a push but hey ho it's progress.

bobweenit

Spot on see what I mean.  Look at the draw they've had over the last two major tournaments.  Ridiculous.

who is qualified for Ireland

Grealish, Kane, Rice

who else?

Dunno Tiger, but I've been on amazon and bought my first flag for the match

https://images.app.goo.gl/tQxJRriBtsu4rbFKA

Guiseppe, they are all English ydc.

Deplasterer, I like the Danes and the country, it would be of no surprise of they did beat little old lucky England on Wednesday, hopefully they wont.

yhtl said 5 were qualified

interested to know who they are

Lou

If Scotland had Croatia first and
Czech rep last it would have
been better for game plans.

That's luck of draw though, and
not really foreseeable.

Got to qually for world cup now

And if there's another nations league
do well in that.

Gey your ranking up, and avoid
the top teams by seeding pot.

Only jesting Tiger, good luck on weds, I have a few quid on the mafia @8s.

cool it with racism please

The mafia look excellent and my idea of the winners too, but its football and anything can happen in knockouts stages and finals, so we have an underdogs chance should we get there,  and underdogs can and do win.

finger on the report button tiger

Not underdogs tiger, favs atm.

Jul 4, 2021 -- 12:20AM, Giuseppe wrote:

finger on the report button tiger

zzzzzzzzzzz

Guiseppe, press the button mate. Idiot.

Denmark have about 28% chance
of making final

Simple terms...

Take 2 dice roll 5 or under
Denmark are in final. (ish)

Its a cup game donny, a bit like the FA Cup at this stage. I dont bet on football and its a good job, the cup games are treacherous.

Jul 4, 2021 -- 12:23AM, Tiger Tiger wrote:

Guiseppe, press the button mate. Idiot.

Don't worry mate they don't listen to people without a bank

Over 2.5 both games, of course an early goal would help.

Absolutely tiger

People forget its a cup at times.


Lovely start from comm on friday

Last time the managers met was cup final
when Wigan shocked man city!

Lovely stat

How's the gee gees going tiger? Rarely play flat an odd handicap in Ireland occasionally myself.

GGs just average at the moment, wish I could say better!

That's the way they go tiger, love winter NH racing. Good night and good luck and all the best in semis, I'm sure it's exciting times in England at present with the footy.

I like the NH too, good night and good luck.

Ukraine were shocking lets be honest

The worst side I've seen in a quarter final game ever, they just gave up once the 2nd in

No chance of you giving any credit to the winners then SS?

England snuffed out the danger before HT and then put them to the sword from 1-0 to 4-0

But Ukraine were poor on the whole

you lot should show sonts some respect

he picked out the winner of this tournament from day one

Guiseppe are you and Italian Steptoe in disguise?

can you rephrase that in a grammatically correct sentence please

*an

english isn't my first language you see

thanks

no

I can tell.

Jul 4, 2021 -- 12:48AM, Giuseppe wrote:

you lot should show sonts some respecthe picked out the winner of this tournament from day one

Deserves a smack

Those 3.3 layers must be going in pretty heavy now then...not to mention the 10.0 layers!

schedule of games & venues couldn’t have been written better for England
Pub side last night where ****
Denmark second half yesterday where on last legs too

Playing at Wembley helped, but pretty sure being told we'd get Germany in first knockout game wouldn't have seemed an 'easy' draw in the schedule, before the tourny started.

Getting beyond that game, it's been a decent draw though.

Yes, the semis and final should they get there will be played at Wembley  but England are not the only side to have enjoyed home advantage in this tournament. Italy, Spain, Germany, Holland, Denmark and England all had home games in the group stages. Even Scotland had 2 games at home. Not been all England for home advantage.

Home advantage is only home advantage if the number of fans are equal, at international tournaments that generally is not case given the allocation is split

if the number of fans isn't equal, i.e like domestic football

In betting terms the home advantage was already a 'known' - so not sure why any layers would complain about that one. Maybe they underestimated this teams ability to take that advantage.

The hidden advantage of being at home is the travel. Teams normally don't have to travel like this mid-tournament. That's as much if not more of an advantage than being at home the longer the tournament goes on.

Denmark being sent out to Baku and back for a QF is scandalously unfair and a major advantage for England.

Jul 4, 2021 -- 11:33AM, lurka wrote:

The hidden advantage of being at home is the travel. Teams normally don't have to travel like this mid-tournament. That's as much if not more of an advantage than being at home the longer the tournament goes on.Denmark being sent out to Baku and back for a QF is scandalously unfair and a major advantage for England.

Massive, 35 degrees in Baku, the Danes looked like their heads were going to explode towards the end

All about the traveling
Denmark didn’t even play in Europe ffs yesterday

I think Italy or Spain got step foot
On 3 more flights befor they play a final
There you have final be played out on
Poxy plane
England could have better chance

Probaby just as much travelling involved in the 1994 2014 and 2018 World Cups.  It's a small disadvantage.  2hrs 30 minutes as opposed to 5 hours 30 minutes in the air.  Wouldn't shift the chances by more than 1%

Playing at home at Wembley is about 0.25 of a goal adv.  Prolly makes it 0.28.

New York to LA is 6 hours

Incidentally Home adv in the MLS is about 0.5 of a goal, which is as high as it gets.  But the reason for this is that you are only allowed 2 or 3 charter flights a season.  I'm sure the Danish had every assistance in making the journey as smooth as possible.  Arguably, given Italy's COVID position on UK tourists, the English teams journey might have been worse.

Even the host nations in 1994, 2014 and 2018 travelled more distance and more frequently than England did. Every team travelled, even the hosts. England have to travel a short trip only once. The game v Germany should have been played in Dublin.

It is a big advantage to not have to do that as much as fatigue etc is building the longer the tournament goes on. There are already fine margins on the purely sporting side so anything else is a big factor, even 1% but it is a lot more than that.

Flying to Rome is of course 2 flights.

They should drop the oxygen masks
for them during the flights.

;;