Jun 18, 2021 -- 5:11PM, tobermory wrote:
As n88uk suggests, 2018 was the last time this Croatia team was top level, theyâve been running on empty with slow,ageing players since.The Nationâs League is a minor event.Itâs fair to say France donât create much either, but they have better players to control the game, and I think they will come unstuck anyway in trying to 1-0 every match.If you donât create a lot of chances you will have tight games even against 2nd rate opposition.
The thing is not only are Croatia past it, I'm not sure how visually anyone actually thought England looked good. I normally like G-Nev but he went so overboard, it wasn't even funny, he was talking about how lethargic we looked tonight, we looked the exact same vs Croatia, there was one good move basically initiated by Phillips, other than that we were lethargic all game vs Croatia too. Croatia almost certainly aren't a top 10 side in Europe anymore, so many players well past 30.
Jun 18, 2021 -- 5:00PM, thelatarps wrote:
HmmmInternational football is about control of the game.You dont get to build up a team over a pre season and develop it over months.Its straight in and sh!t ur pants I am afraid.The progress under Southgate has been undeniable. He actually won a penalty shoot out and did that with an actual plan, thought out to the minutest detail by all accounts. Which is a refreshing change from the penalties-are-a-lottery you get from a lot of pundits.Theyve beaten Croatia 3 times now since the semi final, which shows he has learned his lessons. They got to the Nations League semi and got robbed by VAR. THis covid/var version of football has not been conducive to lots of goals from open play. France got 2 chalked off the other day and the Czech pen today was at best questionable.But the OP is right. Goals are the big question mark. Wether Southgate has the cojones to revamp his forward line mid-tournament is going to be the key as to wether England stick it out or wether they go home early.
Penalties are a lottery and always will be, winning a pen shootout isn't evidence of a thing lol
Jun 19, 2021 -- 3:04AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
Penalties are a lottery and always will be, winning a pen shootout isn't evidence of a thing lolYou are right. Maybe that is why the Germans donât practice taking penalties from the moment they can walk!
Players should practice them but lets not pretend winning a penalty shootout is evidence of a good manager- Germany have won 2 penalty shootouts in 25 years.. so what?
Jun 19, 2021 -- 10:12AM, chipbutty wrote:
England managers invariably come in for unfair criticism, it's been the same for years and god knows how many managers. The pure fact is England do not produce truly world class footballers that would make us really competitive against the best. We've had some good runs in tourneys over the last 30 years or so but I can't help feeling that's more due to the English spirit rather and effort rather than the actual class of the players.This current bunch is full of over rated players that may look good at club level playing in the top teams that are dominating weaker teams month in month out, mainly due to being full of far more talented foreign players. Put our players together in a bunch and they don't seem so good! I would argue that England hasn't produced a truly world class player since Paul Gascoigne and while we continue to allow our top teams to be flooded by foreign talent, things won't get any better.Everyone's an expert but don't blame the manager, we're simply not good enough.
This squad has technical quality but Southgate plays his way regardless. Phillips is horribly negative as is James. Sterling is technically poor but is always a starter. Suggesting it is the players and not the manager is butting your head in the sand. Different players same methods...the common denominator is the manager. I have been watching England managers play scared football for many years. Once in a while in tournaments we have seen an epiphany from one and the team was transformed. I just cannot see that Southgate has that in him. The team reflect him and it isnât pretty.
Jun 19, 2021 -- 6:49AM, n88uk wrote:
German media baffled and laughing at us how a team that apparently is so talented to not give Sancho a minute can only score 1 goal in 2 games.
Yes, I saw that.
Jun 19, 2021 -- 3:12PM, chipbutty wrote:
Enpassant why do you think that we have won nothing for 55 years when European countries with comparable populations like Spain, France and Germany have won multiple tournaments? Is it just that we've had a succession of bad managers or the fact, as I said we simply haven't had enough top players.This squad is no different, good players but no more. I'm not arguing and you're more than entitled to your opinion, but from my point of view, put the best manager in the world with this bunch of players and we'd still come up short.Having said all that, I'm of course 100% behind them and would love to be proves wrong - although if they do go on and win it does that mean that Southgate is a good manager?
All Iâm asking for is for Southgate to stop playing scared football. It is ****, it is boring and it will get us knocked out again without even trying to win the thing. His style is defeatist and his teams walk onto the field in fear. Foden, Grealish, Bellingham, Saka, Mount, are young mobile and technically very good. Southgate but has his new Milner and Henderson in Rice and Phillips. Yes we have won f... all for 55 years and gone out of tournaments with a whimper countless times- it it a go ffs.
Jun 22, 2021 -- 11:05AM, LOU MACARIS TARTAN B wrote:
enpassantI've pointed out before though.I can't see how you can blame the manager when since 1966 England have tried SEVENTEEN different manager's!Anybody ever stopped to think that our players just aren't good enough?
Jun 22, 2021 -- 12:27PM, LOU MACARIS TARTAN B wrote:
enpassantLike i said though you could maybe make an arguement for three or four managers but Seventeen?Imagine a company selling a product that kept failing so they changed the Manager to change things round.