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By:
Angoose
When: 30 Nov 20 12:58
The Football Association will look into a deleted social media post by Manchester United striker Edinson Cavani which contained a Spanish phrase that is offensive in some contexts.

Cavani sent the message after scoring the injury-time winner in United's 3-2 comeback win at Southampton on Sunday.

It is understood the 32-year-old says he meant the phrase affectionately and that that is how it is used in his native Uruguay.

Once it was pointed out to Cavani how the wording could be interpreted in the UK, he deleted the post.

United are aware of the post and understand Cavani's interpretation of how it was sent.

As of this season, Football Association rules state that any player found guilty of an offence of discrimination will face a minimum three-match suspension.
By:
mecca
When: 30 Nov 20 13:13
Welcome to The UK
By:
betting_masta
When: 30 Nov 20 13:18
"it was affectionate!"
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 30 Nov 20 13:45
A Newcastle player made a racist looking
posting on social media, which he took
down when it was pointed out.

He apologised

He received a warning from the
Premier league.



Let's hope cavani, having removed
the post pdq is also only warned.
By:
Angoose
When: 30 Nov 20 14:15
That will be the sensible outcome of this.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 30 Nov 20 14:44
Troy Deeney suggests he be left to rot for
much LONGER


Wink
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 30 Nov 20 14:53
it's the same word Suarez used, ban most likely.
By:
RAPS
When: 30 Nov 20 15:20
Marcus Rashford is in a dilemma here.
He could be honest & defend his teammate but imagine the damage that would do to his brand.
UK culture in 2020 is ...I don't even know..
By:
thelatarps
When: 30 Nov 20 16:11
Well, I have to be careful here...
But what goes around comes around...

I remember the Suarez case back in 2012. There were rumours going around at the time that the n..ito word was not entirely unknown in the man utd dressing room. Chicharito was said to have used it.

The narrative that Suarez was some sort of evil racist who needed to be expelled from the english game seemed to be pushed by Ferguson in particular and david Gill too in all probability.
The fact the disciplinary panel  was loaded with Ferguson acolytes who handed down a rather severe 8 game penalty seemed to be a case of game set and match.

The reality in all probability was this was just a schoolyard argument between two multi millionaires which got out of hand.
The argument that the n..ito word had no racist connection in Suarez home land of Uruguay got short shrift at the time.

Fergus and Gill will not be around to pull their weight at the FA this time around one imagines. And Cavani ought to consider himself fortunate if he gets lumped with the minimum 3 game ban.

I bet there are quite a few in the red half of merseyside who will be wondering to themselves about the supreme irony of a Uruguayan Man Utd player using the same defence as that of Luis Suarez 9 seasons ago..
Didnt fly then. Aint gonna fly now.
Rough justice FA style.
By:
Angoose
When: 30 Nov 20 16:31
Beware of jumping to conclusions.
By:
betting_masta
When: 30 Nov 20 17:05
f'ing hell, he was thanking a supporter on social media. entirely different context than saying it to another player on an opposing team in the heat of a game. can we use some common sense here please
By:
Angoose
When: 30 Nov 20 17:13
Manchester United's Edinson Cavani has apologised for a deleted social media post containing a Spanish phrase that is offensive in some contexts.

The Uruguayan striker sent the message after scoring the injury-time winner in United's 3-2 win at Southampton.

The Football Association is looking into the post.

"It was intended as an affectionate greeting to a friend, thanking him for his congratulations after the game," said the 33-year-old.

"The last thing I wanted to do was cause offence to anyone.

"I am completely opposed to racism and deleted the message as soon as it was explained that it can be interpreted differently. I would like to sincerely apologise for this."

United are aware of the post and understand Cavani's interpretation of how it was sent.

As of this season, Football Association rules state that any player found guilty of an offence of discrimination will face a minimum three-match suspension.

"It is clear to us that there was absolutely no malicious intent behind Edinson's message and he deleted it as soon as he was informed that it could be misconstrued," said a United statement.

"Edinson has issued an apology for any unintentional offence caused. Manchester United and all of our players are fully committed to the fight against racism."
By:
Angoose
When: 30 Nov 20 17:14

Nov 30, 2020 -- 5:05PM, betting_masta wrote:


f'ing hell, he was thanking a supporter on social media. entirely different context than saying it to another player on an opposing team in the heat of a game. can we use some common sense here please


Sadly, common sense isn't so common Sad
As such, I prefer to use the term good sense.

By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 30 Nov 20 17:27
John Terry was banned for 4 games for saying abusive racial words though not actually being racist or convicted of, following the same line it's hard for the FA not to ban Cavani for the same thing.
By:
thelatarps
When: 30 Nov 20 17:37
The point is that Suarez undoubtedly was being abusive but in his mind was not being racist. And I believe him. I think the lack of understanding of the cultural context in the words he used was a fair defence. Just as it is with Cavani.

As others have pointed out you only have to mention a racist word out of context in todays world and you risk censure.

Suarez didnt know that. John Terry didnt know that when denying he used the n word  to abuse anton ferdinand. And now Cavani is in the same boat.

Like it or not, and I dont, Cavani is getting a ban. If he gets off then the FA is going to get all sorts of pelters in the media for lacking racial tolerance..
Its just the way it is.

I happen to believe there is institutional racism negatively affecting peoples lives all other the uk.
THe criminal justice system is  institutionally racist.
HOusing policies are institutionally racist.
Education policies are institutionally racist.
Yet very little is done about this.

Instead the focus on racism is put where it matters least. You cant imagine a more racially harmonious environment than premier league football. To pull up someone like  Cavani, who has only been in this country five minutes, is frankly ridiculous. Its risible, beyond a joke.
But there we are. Welcome to the uk.
By:
Charlton2005
When: 30 Nov 20 19:02
I happen to believe there is institutional racism negatively affecting peoples lives all other the uk.
THe criminal justice system is  institutionally racist.
HOusing policies are institutionally racist.
Education policies are institutionally racist.
Yet very little is done about this.


I contend that we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race. Just fancy those parts that are at present inhabited by the most despicable specimens of human beings what an alteration there would be if they were brought under Anglo-Saxon influence, look again at the extra employment a new country added to our dominions gives.
Cecil Rhodes

100% inheritance tax, scrap the monarchy etc. that is the way to deal with the above.
By:
moisok
When: 30 Nov 20 19:39
Our country has the very best laws supporting ethnic groups
By:
moisok
When: 30 Nov 20 19:46
I often wonder if they ever consider doing something about the real problems in London ?
By:
1830
When: 30 Nov 20 19:50
moisok • November 30, 2020 7:46 PM GMT
I often wonder if they ever consider doing something about the real problems in London ?


Would that mean deporting half of the population of the said place?
By:
mecca
When: 30 Nov 20 20:07
Our country has the very best lawns
By:
Charlton2005
When: 30 Nov 20 20:11
mecca mocking moisok
By:
Angoose
When: 30 Nov 20 20:16

Nov 30, 2020 -- 8:07PM, mecca wrote:


Our country has the very best lawns


Which is just as well if the only tennis grand slam on grass is going to be played here Excited

By:
betting_masta
When: 30 Nov 20 21:06
that should be the end of it. he's apologised, removed the post, explained it. THE F'ING END
By:
RAPS
When: 01 Dec 20 18:27
Taking disciplinary action against someone using their own language in an affectionate manner shows the world your own intolerance.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 01 Dec 20 18:42
Raps, that arguement wasnt accepted by Man Utd fans, players or board with Suarez.

Now it's one of their own its different.

Personally i dont see any wrong doing.

Different cultures/countries have different words, phrases etc.

Just accept every one and everyones differences, dont take everything that its meant to be an insult.
By:
RAPS
When: 01 Dec 20 18:51
Plenty of English words sound racist in other languages.
If foreigners adopted UK standards we should now be worried about getting charged with hate crimes when abroad.
UK has become intolerant.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 01 Dec 20 19:03
What words in English sounds racist in other languages ?
By:
RAPS
When: 01 Dec 20 19:17
Jipped
Hip hip Hooray
Uppity
Moron
By:
RAPS
When: 01 Dec 20 19:19
Google it and I'm sure you will find many more.
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