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FredRescue
27 Jul 20 11:03
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Liverpool this season
Won the title with 7 games to spare, a record.
32 league wins in a season, equalling record
18 league wins in a row, another record equalling
61 points from first 21 league games, a record over all 5 top European leagues
Final goal difference: +52 points


Boring Boring Arsenal 1990/91 Final Goal Difference +56 Plain
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Report lfc1971 July 27, 2020 10:47 AM BST
Didn’t concede goals ? some might find that boring I like it
Report darren_discombobulates_sports July 27, 2020 11:23 AM BST
Arsenal conceded just 18 goals that season, despite City spending hundreds of millions on their defenders they haven't got close to that, Arsenal's defence was purchased on a shoestring even taking inflation into account, Adams was a freebee graduate.
Report TOP3MAN July 27, 2020 9:36 PM BST
TBF foobtall back at that stage was pretty slow moving stuff, much easier to defend against
Report lfc1971 July 27, 2020 9:51 PM BST
Yes that’s why you get big scores in kids games , slow moving
Report lfc1971 July 27, 2020 10:01 PM BST
Some other similarities , players now follow the balk in groups leaving vast areas of the pitch empty
Exactly as you did and were told not to do in early school football
Report lfc1971 July 27, 2020 10:03 PM BST
Goalkeepers of course are now much taller , which means they are worse with slower reflexes ...more goals
Report lfc1971 July 27, 2020 10:08 PM BST
Defenders today trying to pass the ball out from defence ? Of course most are totally incapable of doing this and more likely to put their own team under pressure and creating chances for the opposition with the inevitable result
Report darren_discombobulates_sports July 27, 2020 10:19 PM BST
In the last 10 years (2010/11 til 2019/20) there were 2.75 goals score per game, in the 80's (1980/81 til 1989/90) there were 2.66 goals score per game, an increase but not as big as I'd thought it had been. Billion pound teams like City have helped prop up the goal tallies recently with a few 100+goals scored.
Report inner city sumo July 28, 2020 11:36 AM BST
They had six 0-0s that 90-91 season which is hell of a lot for the best team in the division.
Report lurka July 28, 2020 12:09 PM BST
When you consider that Adams was locked up for 2 months during the season and spent Christmas day in jail it was a pretty remarkable defensive performance and title win. They only lost one game and it was away to Chelsea when Adams was still in jail. Bould was also injured for the second half of that game. It was 0-0 at HT.

Could watch that defence all day.
Report Wesdag July 28, 2020 4:43 PM BST
And we had 2 points deducted that season as well due to the handbags at Old Trafford.
Report sparrow July 29, 2020 7:38 AM BST
Anyone who watched my team West Ham in the 60s would readily understand the importance of defending. Despite all those great players we had the club finished no higher than 8th in that decade and I for one respected that great Arsenal defence.
Report Storm Alert July 30, 2020 12:36 PM BST
lurka - When you consider that Adams was locked up for 2 months during the season and spent Christmas day in jail it was a pretty remarkable defensive performance and title win. They only lost one game and it was away to Chelsea when Adams was still in jail. Bould was also injured for the second half of that game. It was 0-0 at HT. Could watch that defence all day.

George Graham used that justice meted out to Adams motivate the team. I saw Adams stagger down the stairs of Paradise Lost in Watford in those days and was amazed he could be that drunk and be fit enough to be a professional footballer. Having said that I saw the Liverpool team the night before a European Cup final in Davinchi's, Horley and could hardly believe how pissed they were, Aldridge couldn't even stand up.
Report ghostlygunner July 30, 2020 3:00 PM BST
the 1-0 to the arsenal relates more to the 94 european win, when we beat better sides by being able to defend a 1 goal lead

the 89 and 91 title winning teams didn't play negative football at all, they could just defend, something which we nowadays make a laughable attempt to do

the 89 side won the title on more goals SCORED than liverpool

the 91 side only lost one game (away to chelsea) when adams was missing
Report number 7 July 30, 2020 9:15 PM BST
The back pass rule to the goal keeper might of stopped george graham
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 8:19 AM BST
Teams pass back to the keeper today more than ever ?
Report G Hall July 31, 2020 9:01 AM BST
Two good points above I agree with both, interesting to get stats. I have seen a lot of the old matches from the 70's and 80's and even though more enjoyable, the standard was not as high as today imo.
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 9:14 AM BST
There is evidence that the standard of football has not improved since the 1960s / 70s
( this is not the same thing as saying that English prem / ist div has improved that a different thing. )

But last night there was a rerun of previous world cups ( itv I think )

And it shows a clip of Brazil’s forth goal in the 1970 World Cup final
Look at that goal and it is impossible to say that football or footballers are better today than then
( by the way that wasn’t an isolated incident , but it would in itself be enough )
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 9:21 AM BST
You might if you like compare that goal to the famous try by the barbarians against New Zealand , about 1973?
And realise that rugby and it’s players also has not improved since the 1970s

You have only to watch that try, the evidence is there before your eyes
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 9:25 AM BST
Every art form does not necessarily improve over time , it’s not something that must happen things can go backwards become worse even disappear or die
It’s not possible for someone today to do what Claude Monet or the impressionists did
You only have to look
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 9:39 AM BST
The famous Banks save against Brazil ( 1970)

Wonderful , but also have a look at the move that led to it
Take a look at the pass from Alberto to Jarzino , that pass !
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 9:45 AM BST
There is something different about that , I don’t know what it is
Report darren_discombobulates_sports July 31, 2020 9:48 AM BST
football definitely a lot more ponderous back then, but they did have really bad pitches, a lot of teammates in the pubs before and after games as well.
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 9:54 AM BST
It’s possibke footballers could run as fast then as now , and were fitter
Colin Bell could have been an Olympic athlete and he wasn’t alone
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 10:02 AM BST
Have a look at Jarzino running onto that pass

Came across a clip on utube  Leeds against Man Utd from about 1972 not sure exactly , it just shows one half the but Leeds scored 5 in that half I think . But I remember being a bit surprised at the fast pace that Leeds played at in that match ( and with great skill
Remember thinking it was compararable to today for that
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 10:22 AM BST
The Van Basten goal ?  Over 30 years ago No one in football today is capable of doing that
No one .
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 10:24 AM BST
He had to watch it , coming down out of the sky , he had to watch it seemingly forever
And then strike .
Report Storm Alert July 31, 2020 11:31 AM BST
I thought the Dennis Bergkamp goal for Holland against Argentina was technically better. A much longer pass to watch out of the sky and superb control and finish. The Paolo Di Canio volley volley was pretty good. Although they are probably 20 years ago, so maybe you are right about modern footballers!
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 11:50 AM BST
nope storm alert , Bergkamp and Di Canio were both good players doubtless , but I could have scored those goals , but not Van Bastens
What they did was a difficult but an understandable skill, not unusual

What Van Basten did was a mystery .
Report inner city sumo July 31, 2020 12:24 PM BST
'but I could have scored those goals'

Laugh
Report lfc1971 July 31, 2020 3:30 PM BST
Cool no, no I am not telling lies
Report Whisperingdeath August 2, 2020 10:01 AM BST
Footballers today are certainly better athletes but football today is at times slow, ponderous and boring with two blocks of four. Watch some of the old games and see how often the ball is passed forwards and not sideways.
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