Birmingham and Sheff Wednesday will be happy

Just seen it myself just shows what monkeys they employ now days

Wednesday technically safe til decision made.

Birmingham, don't know - something to do with them seeing Hull are playing Luton and not quite working out that doesn't mean Birmingham would be safe

Wednesday were trading around the 4.3 to 4.4 mark for relegation last night before BF suspended/settled.

Birmingham can mathematically still finish bottom (albeit we'd need a couple more 8-0s).  I think they just muddled them up with QPR.  I wouldn't mind but they told me they were looking into it two and a half hours ago and they've still done nothing.

My in play bets on Wednesday missing, they have serious issues. Been waiting 3 hours for a response

You can add Derby to that list as well because they have their hearing due about the stadium sale, could be deducted 12 points yet which takes them to 49 and only 2 or 3 points above the drop zone with 2 to play

Birmingham been reinstated but if you try and place a bet you get an error message and open bets haven't been reinstated.  Looks like they are not going to reinstate Sheff Wednesday.  Maybe they will if they get points deducted

To late by then clydes because they'll be bottom 3 and odds on ffs

being cynical I'd say the panel will give them a deduction that won't get them relegated, just like they did with Macclesfield

The Derby case is very similar to Sheff Wednesday.  The EFL will be waiting for the Sheff Wed verdict before there's any hearing I'd imagine

For an alleged offence that happened over a year ago it is absurd that with 2 games to go of the season every player and fan at Sheff Wed is still in the dark.  Not to mention fans of other clubs at the bottom.  Points deductions should apply to the start of the following season for the good of the game, unless a club is unable to fulfil it's fixtures or fields an ineligible player.

The Derby case is a farce. The club contacted the EFL at the time when the owner bought the the ground from the club and checked everything was within the rules which they were told everything was above board. I think the league are holding on so they can deduct points to stop other clubs using the same loophole but won't affect promotion or relegation. The belief is Derby would be deducted 12 points which would leave them mathematically 3 points from being safe. Ultimately the league f**ked up but won't come out and admit it.

Good piece from Martin Samuel....

"If the EFL repeat the nine-point deduction for Birmingham last season for financial misconduct, Wednesday will be level with Charlton, who are one place above the bottom three. If they deduct 12 points, which some rivals are privately advocating, they will be in the relegation zone; deduct 20 and they would be gone.

And who might survive instead? Possibly Hull City where, far from investing, the club’s owners are systematically stripping its worth.

They sold their two best players, Jarrod Bowen and Kamil Grosicki to West Ham and West Brom in the January transfer window, and failed to agree terms with captain Eric Lichaj and vice-captain Jackson Irvine, to continue post-lockdown.

Hull have never recovered from the debacle over renaming the club Hull Tigers, with the owners taking their frustration out on fans by ending concessionary tickets and curtailing investment.

This week, Hull lost 8-0 to impoverished Wigan, and were 7-0 down at half-time. The club does not even own its stadium, but has been on the market six years, at the unappealing price of £40m. And yet this is all perfectly fine with the EFL. Indeed, Hull may remain in the Championship at the expense of a club, and a board, that genuinely wants to grow and move forward.

This, apparently, is financial fair play. It sucks."

not really, couldn't turn down 20 million for an unproven player to move to the premier league, hard to keep a Polish international with 4 months left on his contract big wages for the Championship, made sense to get something for him, ridiculous though to advocate one club gets relegated over an other because of the owner, what about the thousands of Hull fans who would pay for him to go, not because of the sales which are reasonable but because he thinks he's taken over some NFL American Franchise and can change age-old traditional English football team names.

Bowen was the best £20m West Ham have spent over the last few years and one of the 3 best players in the Championship, if not the best.  Villa wanted him.  Could well have been the difference betwen the 2 clubs staying up or going down.  Certainly no way Hull would have gone down with him, although it's very reasonable to assume they were safe when they sold him.

he's played 10 games for Wham, cannot judge him against all their signings after that amount of time, it's was near 20 mil plus 7 mil add ons, no championship club can turn that down, the initial feel itself puts him as the 9th most expensive Championship transfer ever, probably 5th as 4 players above him were established prem players just relegated. Hull were comfortable mid table at the time. Not standing up for owners who seem like real wrong'uns acting like the mafia trying to change their history and tradition without consultation. You can get away with that maybe in American like Kroenke taking a whole team 2000 miles west to a different city and state.

Wigan now settled on the relegation market as safe!
Do BF have inside knowledge on the appeal for the 12 pts deduction?

Jul 16, 2020 -- 11:26AM, kingscrewed wrote:

The Derby case is a farce. The club contacted the EFL at the time when the owner bought the the ground from the club and checked everything was within the rules which they were told everything was above board. I think the league are holding on so they can deduct points to stop other clubs using the same loophole but won't affect promotion or relegation. The belief is Derby would be deducted 12 points which would leave them mathematically 3 points from being safe. Ultimately the league f**ked up but won't come out and admit it.

Under the old rules it was fine, and it was those rules Derby were abiding to, you can't start moving the goal posts and changing the rules to deduct points later, its absolutely pathetic and these cants in charge need removing

Indeed sont and as I said they even got the league to ok everything at the time of the sale. The league have since realised they f**ked up and try to worm out of it the best way they can. Think a former owner of palace (possibly Simon Jordan?) Told Derby to sue the league if they try anything due to the rubber stamping all the relevant paperwork.

Just be wary...they have now re-inststed Wigan but they have made a mess with the fix...I have a number of bets gone missing!

I'd sue them all right

Its this kind of thing that proper winds me up about football, suits trying to throw their bones around for ego trips ffs

Tash its typical Betfair sadly, utterly useless

Would anyone know the best way to escalate missing bets? I have contacted live chat half a dozen times but not getting anywhere (your query is an a queue). I've had 14 bets gone missing since they re-instated Wigan to the market on Saturday.

Any advice how to get this resolved urgently greatly appreciated....

You have my sympathies tash. The live help are anything but. They are incompetent and do noot have the authority too do anything.

Apparently Peter Jackson is the guy who gets things done (I have seen this on another thread).



Peter Jackson@betfair.com

escalations@betfair.com

Thank you Pushkin...i will give it a try, much appreciated.