Premier league footballers.

Lineker and Neville having a go this morning saying give them time, yes each week that goes by the players get another obscene amount whilst the club workers are struggling. Why is Lineker still getting his full whack as well (of taxpayers money) while theres no football to see, utter gob$hite.

Linekar needs coughing on.

No doubt Lineker will say like most footballers he's got a contract.

Doesn't stop them trying to jump ship halfway through one though.

letting none playing be furloughed and take a pay cut without making a sacrifice themselves is disgusting and immoral

I dont care a flying f5ck if they have a contract or not - have they not noticed whats going on the world

we should start a go fund me  page for all premier league footballers in these desperate times

i hope peoples attitude to the PL and these pampered c88ts will be different after this - I doubt it though

There's a few articles flying about - too early in my opinion - predicting the changed state of the world once we come through all this, examining everything from the small and local to the macro and worldwide.

I'd love it  ('luv it!') if we, football fans, developed a more healthy and less obsessive attitude to the sport, with the follow on of less-obscene amounts of cash slooshing round the place.

totally agree Hanx

Bringing Sky down too would be lovely.

They are total parasites no it no buts, PARASITES.

fecking pointless having too much money you cant spend all premier footballers should forfeit 80% to fight this virus and it should go pro rata through the leagues

why are they parasites? fans are willing to pay the prices at the gates, willing to subscribe to Sky, willing to buy all the kits and merchandise, other countries willing to offer lucrative tours pre season, willing to buy autobiographies etc, only fair the clubs then in turn give the players their fair slice of all that, just seems like a lot of jealousy to me, every single person here would take the same money if offered provided you had the same talent and opportunity, at least with football there is entertainment so you're getting something for your money whereas there are loads of other over paid professions where that's not the case, lawyers for one, middle management in the NHS for another. There is only 1 way footballers salaries would ever significantly decrease and that's if fans started to boycott stadiums in harmony and do so for a prolonged period, would never happen, bubble is getting bigger if anything, this Corona Virus situation aside.

no good having money you cant spend dds

Sack them all, restart the league and you can only play for your team if you were born within 50 miles of the ground.

I knew Darren would be on here when I saw the OPs post . As the majority think , not just on here but in society in general, no one should be paid millions of quid kicking a ball about. I dont care about the "demand".. theres much more demand for nurses/ doctors not a ball being booted around once a week by some tw*t on obscene money.

pay nurses better wages, except for when people call for it and there is no magic money tree

your own club would not be in the Premier League without the huge sums of money, they had a wage bill of over 50 million in the Championship, would not of been able to attract top manager like Nuno, top players like Neves in the second tier, then Traore and Jimenez in the prem.

I dont care about the "demand".. theres much more demand for nurses/ doctors not a ball being booted around once a week by some tw*t on obscene money.

there's a never ending supply of nurses, 300,000 in Britain alone, they are of course much more valuable than footballers, but there is a very limited supply of top level players, just the way the cookie crumbles, these kind of conversations are pointless simply because the money in the game is never going away. People just seem to want to use footballers as punchbags all the time, they pay HUGE taxes and a give a lot to charities - and taxes is what funds the NHS, not as free as everyone says.

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03 Apr 20 16:18
you talk so much **** get real keep in isolation your limited contribution is complete crape

which part in particular did you disagree with, thought it was all bog standard common sense stuff. You cannot pay nurses more than footballers because that's the nature of the entertainment industry, it attracts more money.

Jordan Henderson meant to be organising a Premier league collection for NHS

Henderson who must pay over 3 million a year in tax, tax money that helps funds the NHS and tax money that all those that complain about the money footballers earn, would never pay in their lifetimes themselves! Footballers make their contributions big time to the country. Demanding they're paid less is asking for the NHS to receive less money which is not good.

you seriously talk s hit discombobulated crawl In a hole

which part do you disagree with, and explain why! or are you having a long drinking session with moonaxed atm

the part I disagree with is that some people are not taking this virus seriously also footballers are overpaid cant spend the dough at the moment are not working so give it where its needed you cumb dunt

What we need here is a modern day Niall Quinn,  who will step forward today?

Niall Quinn - First to donate entire lot to charity
Sunderland 0-3 Republic of Ireland

Former Sunderland striker Quinn’s testimonial match against his own nation made headlines for all the right reasons. Not only was it the first of its kind to donate the proceeds to charity instead of the player but the event raised around £1 million.

More than 35,000 supporters attended the match in which most of the money raised went towards children’s hospitals in Wearside, Ireland and India. The remaining amount was donated to help educate children in Africa and Asia.

The event set an example of how testimonial funds should be spent for the future.

seaburn that is why certain people have money and respect

It's been 2 weeks or so and you want footballers to start emptying their accounts ? what about the huge reserves the clubs themselves have? what about the the millions and millions of pounds worth of tax and national insurance contributions they've made over the years? they've paid enough in, the onus is not on them. You're basically angry with them even though they've paid much more than you in?

the footballers have earned that money fairly, it's not a moral issue for them. If you want to be angry at anyone it should be Chinese Law which is the root cause, it allows the operation of wet markets that allow the trade of buying and selling animals dead or alive with no hygienic processes in place, I've seen them, blood everywhere, counters, floors, people hands.  Not good.

Darren the fact wolves have players earning millions of pounds is irrelevant as every club in the prem has ridiculous wages for kicking a ball around. If as you say nurses are more important than footballers, why do you keep defending the obscene sums they're paid? Your argument " Its the nature of the entertainment industry " is weak and if that's your defence, it's high time the " entertainment industry " changed and society started prioritising better where this money went. Football existed long before the premier league with it's wages paying average players millions each year.. it's not even top players who earn more in a week than most people earn in a year. Then there are the disgusting antics of agents acting like leeches who gain millions from some clown like Pogba moving from one club to another.

It's time the sport started to exist in the real world instead of the bubble of insanity you defend where rewarding someone who turns up to training 4 times a week leaving at 3 pm kicking a ball about are multi millionaires.

It comes back down to fans, fans keep paying the money, fans don't want to put the same money into the NHS (on top of what they already do via tax), so it's a dead end conversation, footballers have done nothing wrong.

if you are not working and you have more than enough savings you do not require any help all footballers are in this category
all fit nhs and private nursing staff are and we need them
would seem to me that most people on betfair are missing the drug of gambling
what is the point
what the feck you spend it on

the point is the onus is not on them, they are not charities and should not be expected to pay out, but I'd not want to be emotionally blackmailed into doing so esp by a health secretary who's not doing a very good job himself, also, the onus is on the government to make sure the NHS they run is adequately supported both financially and in personnel.

Do you have any idea how badly the NHS has been run over years and how much money it has bled, including overpaying vast sums for consultants, middle managements? it's incredible

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the point is the onus is not on them, they are not charities and should not be expected to pay out, but I'd not want to be emotionally blackmailed into doing so esp by a health secretary who's not doing a very good job himself, also, the onus is on the government to make sure the NHS they run is adequately supported both financially and in personnel.

Do you have any idea how badly the NHS has been run over years and how much money it has bled, including overpaying vast sums for consultants, middle managements? it's incredible

why are you trying to defend overpaid ****s and being so negative you really are diccombulated
and a fecking ****

The players need to get a grip here and particularly the PFA advising them.

The wages they get are obscene, they have been for a long time. You can make an argument that in the good times they generate the funds and are entitled to be well remunerated although most clubs push things beyond their capacity in the chase for glory or alternatively live beyond their means through a benefactor.

The clubs using the government scheme to furlough some employees (lower paid) whilst still playing star players their full salary is wrong and the government should step in this regard.

The solution for me is simple. To protect the long term future of clubs they should take advantage of the government scheme and furlough all employees including players and managers. Limit all wages to £2500. Clubs should freeze all contracts now as the season is suspended but honor the remaining length of the contract. If you have 12 months left today you have 12 months left when we re-start.

If you are earning 50,000 a week that is 2.5million a year these are all multiple year deals. Once you have bought your million pound house and a few flash cars its almost impossible to imagine burning through that level of income. If players are not careful they will bankrupt the clubs. They will then find that when it comes to their next contract their are not only less clubs to play for but the amounts they can offer will reduce significantly.

This virus is going to change the way we see the world and that will include football going forward.

see you next Tuesday and discombulated p r I c k

You accuse the health secretary of doing a " bad job" Darren , yet in terms of relevance to this thread he earns in a year what a premier league player earns in 4 days. If you can't see the madness of that as you spend your days " discombobulating " sports discussing Peps tika taka then there's little hope left.

The prime minister generally regarded as the most powerful man in the country who is charged with making decisions that lives depend on under constant scrutiny earns less in a year than a top premier league Nancy earns in a week driving down in his Ferrari for a couple of hours a day at the training ground- it's madness and needs changing

We've already established that NHS workers in an ideal world should be paid more than footballers, but it's not going to happen for reasons explained, it's not about defending footballers, it's about explaining that life is unfair and it's not going to change unless fans choose to stop going to games, that's the ONLY way to decrease player salaries, you could bring in salary caps but then that could see a drain of top talent from the PL as they'd go elsewhere, but then there's their sponsorship deals as well as whatever merchandise they're selling.

SKY Selling subscriptions to NHS live as we speak.

Footballers playing in the premier league are some of the best in the world. They provide entertainment for millions its pure supply and demand in terms of their salaries. In normal times its fair game.

We are not in normal times.

Going forward things may or may not change. What people value may well change going forward.

In these times as thousands die probably tens of thousands if we are lucky, millions lose their jobs and clubs reduce the salaries of those not on the playing side, players and football in general are looking out of step with public perception. If they are not careful they are going to face a backlash of epic proportions.

footballers aren't paid millions for kicking a ball about  ...atleast so i heard a rumour from  the players at  Sutton United and Carshalton .

  they are paid well because they possess the lucky gene.

it's the same category as a lottery winner,famous painter, writer.

as long as you have sky subscribers etc it will fund  the bubble ... ...if people boycott then sky will be back above the papapet offering free matches and then people will be back again ...donkey/ carrot etc

footballers could take a pay cut though and show an example or two perhaps

Its the international rights that have led to the stratospheric wages not the sky subscriptions.

wolf I very much agree the amount these generally thick ,muscle bound , prima donnas are paid is an affront to everyone who lives and works in the real world.

they're smart enough to make millions doing a job they love for relatively light work, who needs to be academic when you have creativity and hard work ethic, you cannot get to the top by coasting. A well educated software developer on 100k a year or a footballer on 100k a week, it's a no brainer, if you're not thick

Hard work ethic of a premier league footballer? You've just said " a job they love for relatively light work" and claim a footballer has a hard work ethic. You really are an idiot mate

it's hard work to make it to the top, it's the most participated in sport in the world, the most saturated, to make it to the top doesn't come easy, it takes hard work, when you've made it and making a living out of it, it's light work in comparison to other jobs in the real world, that includes working 12 hours night shifts etc. They of course work hard to stay where they are but they train most of the time and play once or twice a week and in comparison to hard manual jobs, it's light work. They still deserve the money though because they're simply getting a cut of the clubs revenues in which they are largely responsible for generating, that's because fans are willing to pay, nobody is forcing fans to pay anything.

I still think all premiership footballers are PARASITES.

But they're not parasites are they? - it's ridiculous to expect footballers to fund the NHS, thats the governments job, and it was disgraceful of Matt hancock to even mention them - why not have a go at hedge fund managers? - alot of the stuff on this thread is based on simple jealousy

amazon , starbucks are getting off lightly too. and a certain racing driver holed up in monaco seems to be sitting on his hands.

The whole point with the footballers was surely to do with the fact that the people who actually keep these clubs running, yes its not just about 11 people kicking a ball for 90 min, so if they are asked to take a pay cut why on earth shouldn't the players do the same.

Don't include Sadio Mane in that list, he's been ploughing loads of his wages into the place where he's from, schools, football facilities etc.. He said "I've got a house and a car. Why would I want 6 cars when there's people struggling to eat every day"

footballers probably have the lowest collective IQ of any group   ... lower even than lottery scratchcard  winners themselves ,although that would be a tight call .

  they're generally from the lowest social classes  and that does  mean they're also the least likely to give a sh1t about the NHS or have any sort of moral duty . Besides don't the billionaires pay for the footballers ? ...it's the billionaires that are trying to  make the money ...and i'm sure half of them invest offshore ....we don't know the half of it .

  so what we really have then is the equivalent of  a very generous 'benefits system' ultimately  funded by Sky/sponsors/Joe public etc via the Billionaires ...it's now up to the public to think about how they wish to spend their money ....most don't care      ... I think  a footballer will never get the true benefit of all that money ,it's wasted on most of them  ..  you need a certain amount of intelligence to get any benefit from wealth    ...most footballers would be more than happy to live on a sink estate given the chance

I thought the problem anyway was with the clubs taking advantage of this hair brained govt scheme ?

not sure why people always obsess with footballers and their intelligence or lack of? they are not in the business of needing to be academic, you wouldn't criticise Oxbridge graduates for being rubbish at football, because it's not relevant to them, most of them are silver spooned offspring who couldn't fail if they tried as they have the bank of mum and dad to fall back on, the children of the footballers are as well so if you frown on them that much for not being bright, at least the cycle in their family has been broken. Think they're easy targets for jealous people like coach

Footballers are normally drop outs from school who instead of pursuing a career down academic means, cling to the dream of " being a footballer". Despite Darrens assertions that they work hard to get to the top, most are just lucky to be in the right place in the right time spotted by scouts not some hard work ethic myth that very few have with most of them being bone idle believing they are better than they actually are. A huge proportion of these brainless morons struggle to convert penalty kicks from 12 yards out for eg yet are paid hundreds of thousands of quid each week unable to place a ball accurately in a net from such a short distance with apparent " talent".

Some people may look at the premier league and see incredible ability deserving of the wealth of riches they earn, I see overrated sh1te, arrogance and delusion, with their heads buried so far up their own arses they need a torch to find their way out again living in a bubble of deluded grandeur

darren - most at the top universities aren't always that bright either in the real sense of the word  ,they're just very good at  abstract thinking  ...they're a lot like footballers in fact - gifted  .... hence the term 'footballers brain'   

have you met any red brick types ? most of them lack any sort of savvy   

it pays to be gifted if you want to get rich ,or have a chance of getting rich at least -

and i'm not blaming  footballers  ...they're just made that way, not to care  (not singling out every single  one btw)  ... but most things don't occur to them ..their brains simply can't comprehened  anything more than football  ...  it's like a disability

they probably think this virus is something affecting their computers

their brains simply can't comprehened  anything more than football  ...  it's like a disability

how can you possibly know that without knowing any footballer personally?


A huge proportion of these brainless morons struggle to convert penalty kicks from 12 yards out for eg yet are paid hundreds of thousands of quid each week unable to place a ball accurately in a net from such a short distance with apparent " talent".

Why on earth do you post on a football forum and support a football club if you have such disdain for footballers themselves

As for penalties, around 75% to 80% of penalties are converted, so a huge proportion score them rather than miss, but you have to factor in the Goalkeepers, they are also paid to save them.

footballers have been asked many times before about events outside of football  and very few have any grasp on anything outside of their 'bubble' as people call it .

It's like those women whose life revolves around nail bars,dog groomers and shopping for handbags and shoes  ...that's fine  ,but they would be shocked if they realised there was a life going on beyond that and reality TV   

you wouldn't want these people running the Bank of England

I support my football club Darren, not multi millionaires. I started supporting Wolves in the 80s when we didnt have a pot to p1ss in before players were paid a countries GDP in wages.. your  mindset is akin to some kid that plays fifa no doubt following your heroes on twitter as most of us would still support our teams no matter who played for them or what they earnt. Were you even alive before the premier league was formed... you do realise that the game was played before sky tv , twitter, Instagram and 500 k a week wages?

let's all assume they can't spell their own name.

They pay huge taxes, make huge NI contributions, provide a form of escapism for people's lives in the form of light entertainment.

That's why what's between their ears really does not matter.

that time has been and gone, it's never coming back, the bubble is not going to burst, it's not the 1980's anymore, time to stop living in a time warp and just embrace the modern game, if it were not for big money in football we'd not have same some of the top foreign talent in England, 80's football in comparison to today was crap, backpasses, rubbish pitches, unfit unathletic players, drinking cultures, long ball football, too many mike bassett esque managers, everything has improved.

Go back to your xbox Darren and fantasize about peps tika taka tactics- you would still be defending players on half a million a week with tents of the homeless om the halfway line as businesses go bust. Are you a footballer yourself, as you're so out of touch with reality its unreal and have an almost maniacal obsession with defending everything the profession from " hard work ethics , intelligence " amongst other things.

As for the bubble not being about to burst, if you think the economy is going to return to normal after all this with people using much less disposable income to watch your pampered friends play each week you're living with your head up your backside.

In terms of the " top foreign talent here", maybe that explains why the national team has been generally second rate for the last 25 years and always will be when clubs have starting elevens with hardly any native players...not that the international scene is of any concern to me but even your argument on the talent front has considerable downsides

like i say Darren i don't blame the players  ,i blame the greedy owners cashing in  ...i don't care how much the players earn  ...it's like being bitter about a lottery winner  .

I do think players are missing out in a number of ways due to their lack of social awareness  ...i seriously believe that most modern day footballers have a form of autism (hence the apathy ?? and the footballing magic gene )  ...they often display a child like behaviour (celebrations/tantrums) and sometimes struggle to cope with real like situations .  They are like small children in adults bodies

Sometimes people with autism have amazing talents ...pianists,artists,maths wizards ...you name it   

also read up about High-Functioning Autism /savant skills

Perhaps the solution is for the Government to impose an additional higher tax rate of 90% on earnings over say £10k per week

In terms of the " top foreign talent here", maybe that explains why the national team has been generally second rate for the last 25 years


Because before those 25 years England were a rip roaring success at international tournaments!

Last 25 years from Euro 96 to 2018 - 12 tournaments
1x DNQ, 2x Groups, 3x 2nd Round, 4 Quarter Finals, 2x Semi finals

12 tournaments before Euro 96, 1972-1994
6X DNQ's, 3x groups, 1x 2nd group stage, 1x Quarter finals, 1x semi final


England clearly been much, better in the last 25 years than the 25 years before that, they failed to qualify for 6 tournaments between 72-94!

Foreign players have had a positive effect on English football.

if they did that posy it would harm the NHS, they are huge Tax contributors, not sure why people do not recognise this, tax is what funds the NHS. There's no magic money tree.

No it wouldn't harm the nhs as the overall tax take from those earning over that threshold would be increased.

Would seem a good idea Posy.

keegan, dalglish, brady, souness, robson, jennings,shilton,hoddle, , can we honestly say there are better players in prem league now, not one

so punishing successful people more for being successful?
footballers like all highly paid sportspeople have contributed far far more to society than those that criticise them.

Top players in the past stood out more then because the majority of players back in those days made them stand out more as it was easier run and glide past them, they're in general no where near as fit, fast or athletic as today's footballers.

so Darren.. what do you think of clubs asking for government assistance to pay wages and do you think the players shouldnt have a paycut despite the fact they are doing fck all?

Said on another thread players at most could take a pay cut up to 20%, but a)they shouldn't be emotionally blackmailed into doing so especially considering so many other people far far wealthier than them are currently receiving a free ride with no public attention and b) the onus is not on them to solve any kind of financial crisis, that's not their job, it's the government's job who should never have ordered a lockdown in the first place, they should only have asked those with underlying health issues to stay home, yet now they have the audacity to heap pressure on footballers because they think that will curry favour with the wider public, pure shameless opportunism, what footballers can offer is a drop in the ocean to what's needed so really all this is a red herring.

Do not feel comfortable about clubs asking the government to pay wages of non playing staff, that's because most clubs have reserves to be able to afford to pay them themselves and yes players could help out there but shouldn't be guilt tripped into doing so.

footballers like all highly paid sportspeople have contributed far far more to society than those that criticise them

you mean more than NHS workers police, fire, ambulance service or do you that they pay more tax cos they earn more - poor souls fancy having to pay the correct and legal level of tax on their earnings

You're cherry picking there rothko, the vast majority of people in the country dont work in those areas

Im not cherry pickimg I,m making a valid point
People pay more tax because they earn more its called a progressive tax system unless you are suggesting they should pay the same amount
VAT is a regressive tax

They all employ accountants to pay as little as possible so im not having a post that sets them out as feckin saints

They are in the entertainment business

wolf3011 04 Apr 20 23:47 
In terms of the " top foreign talent here", maybe that explains why the national team has been generally second rate for the last 25 years and always will be when clubs have starting elevens with hardly any native players...not that the international scene is of any concern to me but even your argument on the talent front has considerable downsides

We were so good in the 1970s when there were no foreigners

darren, the rich and the famous don't contribute more because they pay more tax .... that's nonsense ..the tax is just a by product from their riches which have been funded by the mega rich who have  taken directly/indirectly from the poor (generally by scheming )   

the ones that contribute the most to this country pay modest tax amounts  ...ie the hardest workers

top footballers rarely contribute anything to society  ...  if they didn't exist people would simply watch the next level down ,like they do in other countries or like we did in the 80s/early 90s

to billionaires footballers are commodities at this moment ...a bit like buying barrels of oil,gold  or coffee

Coachbuster 05 Apr 20 13:53 
darren, the rich and the famous don't contribute more because they pay more tax .... that's nonsense Grin ..the tax is just a by product from their riches which have been funded by the mega rich who have  taken directly/indirectly from the poor (generally by scheming )   

the ones that contribute the most to this country pay modest tax amounts  ...ie the hardest workers

I would disagree with this. Nearly half of the tv rights comes from overseas £4.2billion this element has been rising while the domestic rights have fallen. This is a product of the premier league being regarded as the 'best league in the world'. The main reason for this is the standard and the fact so many top players from around the world play in England. This does contribute directly to the tax take.

30 years ago Italy was without doubt the worlds number 1 national league. It attracted the best players from around the globe. The Italian league has lost its way and would fourth at best now in its standing. Its global tv rights for the current deal are £371 million less than a tenth of the premier leagues.

If the best players left most people in the UK would continue to watch the game the next tier of players etc but the income global would drop significantly. This would impact the deals clubs could offer players going forward and in turn this would impact the UK tax returns from football.

Apr 5, 2020 -- 2:29PM, drive for show putt for dough wrote:

wolf3011 04 Apr 20 23:47  In terms of the " top foreign talent here", maybe that explains why the national team has been generally second rate for the last 25 years and always will be when clubs have starting elevens with hardly any native players...not that the international scene is of any concern to me but even your argument on the talent front has considerable downsidesWe were so good in the 1970s when there were no foreigners

The 1970 England team was expected to win the world cup so yes compared to today you're spot on as the current team couldnt win an egg and spoon race

I would disagree with this. Nearly half of the tv rights comes from overseas £4.2billion
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I take your point on the global aspect ...  it is a big business ,how much this country benefits though is debatable  ....  some tax comes in , but a lot is invested outwards  ... 

at the end of the day the public must decide for themselves i guess how they want to spend their money .

The lottery isn't much better ...millionaires becoming more common leading to more destitution

The overseas rights have led to the huge surge in wages in recent years, it is why all premier league clubs have huge wage bills in comparison to other european leagues. This money filters back in tax.

I agree its obscene the amounts some players earn but it would impact the revenues the government get from football.

i suppose one bright area is  at least players spend their millions

Football is shyte .