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1.51 Liverpool
5.3 Draw
6.4 Flamengo
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Report tobermory December 21, 2019 4:32 PM GMT
Liverpool stand on the cusp of writing history, with only Brazilian side Flamengo standing in the way of Jurgen Klopp’s side becoming World Champions. Saturday night’s Club World Cup Final in Qatar sees a re-run of the 1981 Intercontinental Cup between the two sides in which the Brazilian side ran out 3-0 winners.

Ever since the side hailing from Rio de Janeiro have basked in that glory, with the Reds now hoping to right that wrong in Doha.

Brazilian football expert Tim Vickery :

“As far as Rio is concerned this is bigger than a World Cup,” he said. “I’ve never seen anything like it in 25 years here the way people are really, really excited for this game. “There’s a lot of speculation here about what might happen if Virgil van Dijk is not fit to face Flamengo.”

Domestically, this season has been one to remember for all-time for the Brazilian outfit winning two domestic titles as well as the Copa Libertadores against River Plate to make it to the FIFA Club World Cup.

The opportunity to win on Saturday, Vickery says, would eclipse anything they have previously achieved. It would be the greatest moment in their history, I think.

“1981, they all sing about 1981 and Liverpool, it’s very important to them. “Fast forward 38 years and even though Flamengo put a much higher priority on this competition than Liverpool do, I don’t think the game is a ‘friendly’ as far as Liverpool are concerned. “If they do win in the final, they’ve beaten a much more motivated, a much more prepared opposition than that great Flamengo side beat in 1981.”

“They’ve assembled a good squad, a deep squad and they’ve really cleaned up domestically. They’ve won everything that they can, it’s been an absolutely magical year for them and this really is the cherry on top if they can beat Liverpool.”

The impact on their success by coach Jorge Jesus, the former Benfica manager has been stark too, the man Vickery attributes their success too. “Since the Portguese coach Jorge Jesus took over, he took over in the middle of the year, they had a couple of defeats early on but after that from the start of August they didn’t lose. “There’s only been one defeat, which was in the last league game of the season, where they’d already won the league by nearly 20 points. That’s the only time they’ve been beaten."

“Even in this long winning run that Flamengo have had they’ve not come up against anything like the speed, intensity and quality that Liverpool can put up against them with the likes of Salah, Mane and Firmino.“That, for me, is the key question can Flamengo defend against Liverpool. Will they keep their high line, or will they drop deeper. If they drop deeper they lose some of their essence as an attacking force.”
Report leif December 21, 2019 4:46 PM GMT
Ought to be a few goals in this one Tobes?
Report tobermory December 21, 2019 4:48 PM GMT
Dunno. Some speculation Flamengo gonna be ultra cautious
Report leif December 21, 2019 4:52 PM GMT
It's not their way though as you wouldn't expect Liverpool to be cautious against anyone.
Report tobermory December 21, 2019 5:22 PM GMT
I went for under 1.5 @6.4
Report leif December 21, 2019 5:23 PM GMT
Gl but can't see it coming off Happy
Report tobermory December 21, 2019 5:32 PM GMT
how the feck did Firmio miss that
Report rommel December 21, 2019 5:33 PM GMT
shouldve done much better
Report johnnythebull December 21, 2019 5:36 PM GMT
scousers bottling this en route to bottling the league from a quasi insuperable position,innit!
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 5:36 PM GMT
0-0 double with Man City game. not likely but nice odds. Grin
Report rommel December 21, 2019 5:36 PM GMT
aaful finish
Report rommel December 21, 2019 5:36 PM GMT
w
Report johnnythebull December 21, 2019 5:50 PM GMT
Chokerpool different gravy to this lot but means jack if u don't put ur chances away
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 5:51 PM GMT
0-1 leicester, ah well. Cool
Report johnnythebull December 21, 2019 5:53 PM GMT
Oilrig sooo overrated their money run is over
Report rommel December 21, 2019 5:53 PM GMT
vardys luck holding,superb finish
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 6:08 PM GMT
i thought Liverpool were a bit lucky to beat Monterrey. A 1-0 either way wouldn't be that surpising, or 0-0 hopefully.
Report Desatron December 21, 2019 6:08 PM GMT
Kieta is having a shoit game!!
Report Angoose December 21, 2019 6:10 PM GMT
Seen Flamengo play twice recently and they appear to be a team that flatter to deceive.
They score goals from nothing rather than a relentless period of pressure.
Report Rider December 21, 2019 6:21 PM GMT
world club cup final and referee getting too much wrong and weak
Report darren_discombobulates_sports December 21, 2019 6:30 PM GMT
Can see Flamengo nicking this, the way they've played that unlike most teams, they're not scared of Liverpool!
Report johnnythebull December 21, 2019 6:35 PM GMT
Chokerpool allowed Flamengo to take control latter part of 2nd half..poor display by them and cr ap finishing by both teams..another turgid overhyped final
Report Desatron December 21, 2019 6:37 PM GMT
Pool goal coming
Report Desatron December 21, 2019 6:41 PM GMT
Sorry... jinxed it haha
Report Latalomne December 21, 2019 6:55 PM GMT

Dec 21, 2019 -- 11:22AM, tobermory wrote:


I went for under 1.5 @6.4


Looking good, but for all the wrong reasons!  Laugh

Report tobermory December 21, 2019 6:56 PM GMT
Liverpool not won a corner
Report FlyingBenny December 21, 2019 7:09 PM GMT
The suspend monkey is certainly working overtime!
Report tobermory December 21, 2019 7:10 PM GMT
never knew Diego was still playing, remember him with Santos in 2003 Copa on channel 4 i think
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:10 PM GMT
Liverpool got a lucky late winner aginst Monterrey, and Flamengo got one against River Plate, so it could still go either way.
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:12 PM GMT
one for the cameras. Grin
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:13 PM GMT
side footer from Henderson, that's why he never scores.
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:18 PM GMT
pen?
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:18 PM GMT
not a pen for me
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 21, 2019 7:19 PM GMT
hard call
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:21 PM GMT
Not given, right decision, imo.
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:22 PM GMT
I thought he gt a toe to the ball as well.
Report allyp December 21, 2019 7:22 PM GMT
That’s a joke. That wee coont should have been booked first half and Mané ended up booked then he goes through a player 1 on 1 with keeper and no foul
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:23 PM GMT
Brian May is relieved on the touch-line. Laugh
Report allyp December 21, 2019 7:23 PM GMT
Not disputing the no pen award but he goes through him,
Report Scamp the man December 21, 2019 7:24 PM GMT
Should have been a free  kick ...imo
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:25 PM GMT
I'm on 0-0, so not really objective, tbf. Grin
Report Scamp the man December 21, 2019 7:25 PM GMT
Laugh
Report allyp December 21, 2019 7:26 PM GMT
Yep was a free kick, can understand why he doesn’t give a pen but he goes through the back of Mané.

Someone clean thru on goal and no yellow never mind the red
Report Latalomne December 21, 2019 7:26 PM GMT
The ref has been utterly awful all game, TBF.
Report allyp December 21, 2019 7:26 PM GMT
Good bet des fair play
Report tobermory December 21, 2019 7:28 PM GMT
The Ref has not been great but at least he had the balls to say 'i got it wrong'.

With Premier League VAR the priority is to save face for the ref
Report johnnythebull December 21, 2019 7:28 PM GMT
Latalomne 21 Dec 19 19:26 
The ref has been utterly awful all game, TBF.

should've been playing 4 the scousers then..they have been absolute sh1te
Report allyp December 21, 2019 7:28 PM GMT
He did get it wrong though. He has bottled it because it’s easier to bottle it when that’s a match winning decision in injury time
Report Latalomne December 21, 2019 7:29 PM GMT
Exactly, he got it wrong twice!
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:29 PM GMT
cheers mate, pity the double didn't come in. Cool
Report allyp December 21, 2019 7:29 PM GMT
In fairness I don’t dispute the overturning the pen...but no yellow or a free kick is a joke
Report allyp December 21, 2019 7:32 PM GMT
Ref is playing % every time...a player goes down...he gives the foul...Robertson challenge classic example
Report stickyvicky December 21, 2019 7:38 PM GMT
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:39 PM GMT
tired defending, there.
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 21, 2019 7:40 PM GMT
Why are they taking so long to settle the 90min markets ?
Report CLYDEBANK29 December 21, 2019 7:41 PM GMT
dipsticks
Report Angoose December 21, 2019 7:42 PM GMT
Because they can.Sad
Report johnnythebull December 21, 2019 7:42 PM GMT
i haven't been impressed with the scousers..i don't totally rule out a significant wobble between now and season's end..the totality of EPL pts they have garnered somewhat flatters them imho but they probably have to great a buffer between them and Citeh to not prevail
Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:46 PM GMT
it's taking ages for correct score, but unders has been sttled
Report Coachbuster December 21, 2019 7:47 PM GMT

Dec 21, 2019 -- 1:46PM, Des Pond wrote:


it's taking ages for correct score, but unders has been sttled


BF have been a shambles toay

Report Angoose December 21, 2019 7:47 PM GMT
How good must Aston Villa be to have between the reigning Champions League and World Club Cup holders by a spiffing five goals to zero Laugh
Report karljay December 21, 2019 7:47 PM GMT
why 90 mins not settled
Report karljay December 21, 2019 7:47 PM GMT
why 90 mins not settled
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 21, 2019 7:49 PM GMT
settled now
Report SontaranStratagem December 21, 2019 7:51 PM GMT

Dec 21, 2019 -- 1:42PM, johnnythebull wrote:


i haven't been impressed with the scousers..i don't totally rule out a significant wobble between now and season's end..the totality of EPL pts they have garnered somewhat flatters them imho but they probably have to great a buffer between them and Citeh to not prevail


I thought that but they're winning without coming out of 2nd gear

Only team who can stop them is themselves

Report Des Pond December 21, 2019 7:51 PM GMT
at last
Report johnnythebull December 21, 2019 7:53 PM GMT
they've got previous tho' SS but granted not with such a lead
Report SontaranStratagem December 21, 2019 7:55 PM GMT
City could be 14 points behind in the new year

Not sure Pool are big enough chokers?

What's the biggest lead blown heading into the new year?
Report johnnythebull December 21, 2019 8:00 PM GMT
can't answer that,smn must know but new choking records can always be setWink
Report SontaranStratagem December 21, 2019 8:05 PM GMT
True

It'll be some choke with a 14 point buffer with that team though
Report rommel December 21, 2019 8:23 PM GMT
johnny you look a total c****,what a choke that wuz eh,stfu
Report leif December 21, 2019 8:48 PM GMT
CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD

only the second engerlish team to win it.

In the ascendancy while manure wallowing in the swamp.
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 21, 2019 9:01 PM GMT
Firmino must love playing for liverpool at the moment.
Report leif December 21, 2019 9:13 PM GMT
Minamino chomping at the bit to join him too. Could be part of a team that dominates the premiership for the next decade.
Report leif December 21, 2019 9:17 PM GMT
wd to Op for the under 1.5 prediction Happy
Report RothmanMike December 21, 2019 10:39 PM GMT
Does this mean they automatically qualify for the Mickey Mouse Cup next year.
What an absolutely pointless exercise for an absolute meaningless trophy.
A bit like winning the Charity Shield.
More and more unwanted things invented by the greedy FIFA.
Report buddeliea December 22, 2019 7:59 AM GMT
In your opinion.

I am rather proud to be a fan of a club that won the Champions league,and earned the right to take on the best of the other main football continent.
And beat them.
World Champions sounds fine to me.
Report buddeliea December 22, 2019 8:00 AM GMT
And lets face it, we probably are the best club side in the world right now.
Report HGS December 22, 2019 11:54 AM GMT
Hear hear!
Report johnnythebull December 22, 2019 2:30 PM GMT
rommel 21 Dec 19 20:23 
johnny you look a total c****,what a choke that wuz eh,stfu

take the blinkers off ..romm..if u were impressed with that performance u gotta be clueless
Report RothmanMike December 22, 2019 4:04 PM GMT
Would not argue with that, but clearly the manager is the x-factor here, making them all work as a team.
Report johnnythebull December 22, 2019 4:12 PM GMT
they're obviously a good side and Klippety is an effusive,enthusiastic guy and that is engendered in the side but that was yet another turgid final
no way could that be termed a great performance
Report pushkin99 December 22, 2019 6:57 PM GMT
Another wonderful result for us.

Club World Champions has such a lovely ring to it.
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