Football
The competition is the European cup for Europe's best teams, it's the champions league in name only.
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:21PM, wolf3011 wrote:
Of course Im saying they shouldnt have qualified , they arent champions. How can a team that finishes second enter the "champions" league with a straight face if you get away from the money led hysteria of this competition. The least said about spurs the better.
then call it something else maybe .... elite league ,euro -premier league ... its still the best teams by and large .... excepet maybe some weak sides early on and maybe we should have every top 10 EPL league team imo to strengthen it ,and 5 from Spain 4 from Ger ,3 from Italy and France
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:22PM, Reynard wrote:
Forest and Villa were both champions in their own right .
they won at a time when it was relatively easy to do so
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:25PM, wolf3011 wrote:
It would be weaker but it would be a more honest competition , first is first and second is nowhere. That applies to all leagues- no team should be crowned champions of Europe when they cant even win their own league.
more honest ? with teams buying the league 
not much is 'honest' about football
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:27PM, Reynard wrote:
Definition of 'Relatively easy' required
beating half a dozen club sides from countries such as Poland, Moldova ,Latvia.Macedonia and Sweden
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:28PM, wolf3011 wrote:
Winners of cups arent always the best teams , no one seriously thinks city are inferior to spurs yet in a one off knockout tie anyone can beat anyone. Imagine lpool get a man sent off and a team like spurs finishing 30 points behind city are crowned European champions- its ridiculous
very true ...but then you would need a league format which would take weeks
Bayern Munich were league champions but considering Liverpool were stronger than them, Bayern winning the Champions League if Liverpool were not there, wouldn't have been a true reflection on the best team in Europe, because as we now know, Liverpool were superior to them.
Personally not a fan of the Knockout format and there's never going to be a really fair way to decide best team in Europe unless there is a super league, and that's not going to happen, it is a Cup competition in essence.
I agree that a team finishing 2nd in the prem is likely to be better than a champion of another country but ultimately you cant have a "European champion " not even being the best team in their own country as it makes a mockery of the competition
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:34PM, Reynard wrote:
Moldova and Latvia didn't exist prior to the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the early 90's , over a decade after Forest and Villa lifted the European Cup . Their inclusion within UEFA may only have weakened the Champions League .
what you saw tonight was the 2nd/3rd best vs the 7/8th best teams in Europe ...only Ajax were the real surprise ...most of the heavyweights got through to the Qs ...
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:36PM, wolf3011 wrote:
Liverpool cant be considered the best team in Europe when they arent even the best team in England
theyre as good as the very best in Europe ...1 point behind in by far the strongest league
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:37PM, Coachbuster wrote:
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:36PM, wolf3011 wrote:Liverpool cant be considered the best team in Europe when they arent even the best team in Englandtheyre as good as the very best in Europe ...1 point behind in by far the strongest league
I agree...completely. what a brilliant team Liverpool are, from the back right to the forward line, and they will surely only get stronger now.
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:40PM, BARNEY15C wrote:
So Barcelona and Man City should contest the CL final every season, this not true champions in the CL talk is utter tosh, CL winners win on merit, not past history
wtf are Liverpool and spurs champions of then?
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:38PM, wolf3011 wrote:
lpool are a great side but the only statistic that matters is they finished behind city- whether its 1 point or 50 is irrelevant. If people call Liverpool European champions it implies they are the best team in Europe yet havent won their own league in 29 years
Couldn't disagree more (spurs supporter here)
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:38PM, wolf3011 wrote:
lpool are a great side but the only statistic that matters is they finished behind city- whether its 1 point or 50 is irrelevant. If people call Liverpool European champions it implies they are the best team in Europe yet havent won their own league in 29 years
how can it be irrelevant ...its a sign that they are head and shoulders above the other 18 in England and every club side in Europe
The 'lesser' champions from the likes of Belgium , Sweden , Greece Russia etc. would be useful minnows to add to the mix . It worked for decades with no problems , I'm sure it would work well within a straight knockout format .
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:45PM, Coachbuster wrote:
its 4th because the league is strong
wtf are Liverpool and spurs champions of then?
So the champions league group stages should only be the winners of each of the European UEFA leagues then? Is that your thinking?
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:45PM, BARNEY15C wrote:
So Barcelona and Man City should contest the CL final every season, this not true champions in the CL talk is utter tosh, CL winners win on merit, not past historywtf are Liverpool and spurs champions of then?So the champions league group stages should only be the winners of each of the European UEFA leagues then? Is that your thinking?
Id completely change the format as I have already said earlier on the thread
Belgium 10 million 1 team
Nederlands 10 million 2 teams
we should have the top 6 qualifying at least
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:43PM, wolf3011 wrote:
I would put the lesser teams into qualifying rounds to join the more established league winners and stop this finishing 4th nonsense
It's clearly not technically a "champions League", but you make such a poor argument
................... and there's another point that should be addressed
The 'lesser' champions from the likes of Belgium , Sweden , Greece Russia etc. would be useful minnows to add to the mix . It worked for decades with no problems , I'm sure it would work well within a straight knockout format .
why not just have a super league like was vaunted years ago, oh wait it fell as flat as a pancake... these big clubs think they have a god given rightto control football.
all that money and still tripe
maybe enter Scottish Cup instead
if you buy cod and chips from the chippy its not all cod ,you get batter as well ...but the owner doesnt say its battered cod because everyone knows what youre getting
if you buy cod and chips from the chippy its not all cod ,you get batter as well ...but the owner doesnt say its battered cod because everyone knows what youre getting
Tonights final might as well have been served up in yesterdays newspaper
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:50PM, Coachbuster wrote:
just get over the 'Champions' tag .... its called that because there are Champions in it . Everyone knows how it works if you buy cod and chips from the chippy its not all cod ,you get batter as well ...but the owner doesnt say its battered cod because everyone knows what youre getting
well Accrington Stanley have a football in their "league" 2 games so lets enter them then by that criteria to make up the batter at the chipshop
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:48PM, wolf3011 wrote:
No one is disputing the fact a team thats second in the prem is likely to beat a team that finishes top of say the dutch league but you cant have a side that cant even win their own domestic league being crowned European champions. If spurs had won tonight losing as many matches as wolves itd be utterly laughable
ive been very impressed with Wolves this year and they deserve at least 7th ...they also did well vs the top6 ,however you have to look at points and goals scored etc and not how many matches you lose
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:53PM, Capt__F wrote:
Man City tried but FAILED
Only on away goals which is another ridiculous rule of modern football. How can a goal be worth more at one ground compared to another?
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:53PM, Coachbuster wrote:
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:48PM, wolf3011 wrote:No one is disputing the fact a team thats second in the prem is likely to beat a team that finishes top of say the dutch league but you cant have a side that cant even win their own domestic league being crowned European champions. If spurs had won tonight losing as many matches as wolves itd be utterly laughableive been very impressed with Wolves this year and they deserve at least 7th ...they also did well vs the top6 ,however you have to look at points and goals scored etc and not how many matches you lose
This is true , spurs also finished 27 points behind the league winners
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:51PM, wolf3011 wrote:
A simple question if spurs had won tonight would anyone on here think they were the best Europe had to offer and " European champions "? We want a competition to find the genuine champions of a continent not a team that finishes 4th in its own league
no ,of course not but the same could equally apply to Liverpool in 2005 and other teams ... in Spurs case they may have prioritised the CL ahead of the league slightly knowing they couldnt win it ...who knows ?
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Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:53PM, Capt__F wrote:
Man City tried but FAILED
Only on away goals which is another ridiculous rule of modern football. How can a goal be worth more at one ground compared to another?
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:58PM, wolf3011 wrote:
I dont begrudge spurs getting to the final but in cup games there are ridiculously fine lines between success and failure. In the old days when the FA cup meant something you often got the winners from teams that were not even close to being the best in their respective era. In cup football anything can happen but to be crowned European champions for me you have to win you rown league - maybe Im old fashioned but I'd change it from what it is now
winning your own league is fine if its an average league ...but winning the Englsish league is almost impossible for say a club such as Wolves ...but you know full well Wolves would walk away with most leagues in mainland Europe , all bar about 4 of them
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:59PM, Reynard wrote:
........... and I support a team trhat will never win the league but could possibly finish in the top 4
depends on whether a money man comes to your club
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:02AM, Capt__F wrote:
wolfwhoo you support ?
clue is in the username
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:01AM, Coachbuster wrote:
Jun 1, 2019 -- 11:58PM, wolf3011 wrote:I dont begrudge spurs getting to the final but in cup games there are ridiculously fine lines between success and failure. In the old days when the FA cup meant something you often got the winners from teams that were not even close to being the best in their respective era. In cup football anything can happen but to be crowned European champions for me you have to win you rown league - maybe Im old fashioned but I'd change it from what it is nowwinning your own league is fine if its an average league ...but winning the Englsish league is almost impossible for say a club such as Wolves ...but you know full well Wolves would walk away with most leagues in mainland Europe , all bar about 4 of them
It doesnt matter if we never entered the "champions league " as I stand by my argument. Although Leicester gives hope to us all 
Barker joint managers
new curved stand in place
someone chucked a pint o p!ss down the terraces
in a plastic pint mind
happy days
Barker joint managers
new curved stand in place
someone chucked a pint o p!ss down the terraces
in a plastic pint mind
happy days
Barker joint managers
new curved stand in place
someone chucked a pint o p!ss down the terraces
in a plastic pint mind
happy days
Barker joint managers
new curved stand in place
someone chucked a pint o p!ss down the terraces
in a plastic pint mind
happy days
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:08AM, Coachbuster wrote:
wolf how would you feel about Ajax winning the UCL ? champions of the Neds
Id say it was richly deserved from a club which is a fantastic developer of young players
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:08AM, Capt__F wrote:
stood on the South Bank 1981/2 ? Johm Barnwell and RitchieBarker joint managersnew curved stand in place someone chucked a pint o p!ss down the terracesin a plastic pint mind happy days
Well I may as well admit , that was from me - no hard feelings
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:09AM, wolf3011 wrote:
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:08AM, Coachbuster wrote:wolf how would you feel about Ajax winning the UCL ? champions of the NedsId say it was richly deserved from a club which is a fantastic developer of young players
but would you say they only had to win a diddy league to get there ?
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:27AM, wolf3011 wrote:
no Id say they beat real mnadrid over 2 legs , Juventus over 2 legs and presumably lpool if they were to win it so would be worthy winners. What more can a team do other than win their own domestic league or maybe you wouldnt have anyone in the champions league at all unless it was from Germany/England Italy or spain?
i dont understand the logic wolf ... so what if Spurs in 4th place saw off Juventus /Real Madrid etc ? after all you'd expect Spurs to win the dutch league
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:37AM, Reynard wrote:
Discriminated against who exactly ? Teams that weren't winners of domestic leagues ? I think it discriminates against teams outside the top 4 now
discriminated against good teams because of where they played .
should be population based not based on political borders
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:37AM, Reynard wrote:
Discriminated against who exactly ? Teams that weren't winners of domestic leagues ? I think it discriminates against teams outside the top 4 now
top 4 countries ?
