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Report topshot January 22, 2019 10:10 AM GMT
BBC Guernsey won't confirm about the player on this plane, but search was stopped at 0100 and resumed this morning, with lifeboats and Channel Islands Air Search out.
Report cardifffc January 22, 2019 11:12 AM GMT
very sad.........hope he is ok but it looks bad
Report frames January 22, 2019 11:26 AM GMT
Very sad indeed.
Report sparrow January 22, 2019 11:34 AM GMT
A light plane with new Premier League footballer Emiliano Sala on board has disappeared in the English Channel while travelling from France to Wales.

The 28-year-old Argentine was on his way to meet his new colleagues at Cardiff City after signing for the club last week in a £15 million deal.

He was travelling back to Wales from Nantes in Brittany after signing with the Welsh club.

There were "genuine concerns" for his safety today after the Piper Malibu plane registration PA 46 went off radar screens close to the Channel Islands.
Report Tiger Tiger January 22, 2019 12:34 PM GMT
Lets hope for good news about everyone on board.

Its one of the busiest shipping lane's in the world I'm sure there will be something to report before too long.
Report Latalomne January 22, 2019 12:42 PM GMT
If there was anything good to report, it would have happened now for the reasons you've given.
Report scaredmoney January 22, 2019 1:00 PM GMT
terrible news....looking grim Sad
Report Can't Catch Me January 22, 2019 1:46 PM GMT
Very rarely hear good news after a light aircraft goes missing Sad
Report Latalomne January 22, 2019 2:05 PM GMT
Especially over the sea and at night.
Report 1st time poster January 22, 2019 2:05 PM GMT
tragic for those involved families etc but sky ,bbc going into hyperbole because an epl footballer involved although he,s never played in epl and no one ,s heard of him,if it was 2 unknown French people would get about 10 seconds at the end of news,kay burley going into princess diane mode
Report penzance January 22, 2019 2:06 PM GMT
tragic
Report frames January 22, 2019 3:33 PM GMT
Insensitive I know( and hope it does not come to this) but would Cardiff be insured for the loss ,assuming the millions have been handed over ?
Report scaredmoney January 22, 2019 4:02 PM GMT
be amazed if they arnt frames
Report donny osmond January 22, 2019 4:05 PM GMT
pilot , aircraft,  likely insured too?
Report scaredmoney January 22, 2019 5:02 PM GMT
one would think so donny
Report buddeliea January 22, 2019 5:07 PM GMT
Awful news.
Sad
Report themightymac January 22, 2019 6:16 PM GMT
Terrible news.
Report anxious January 22, 2019 6:35 PM GMT
Very sad news puts things into perspective
Report cardifffc January 22, 2019 6:44 PM GMT
ist time poster........you are an horrible ****
Report Dav_vin03 January 22, 2019 6:50 PM GMT
What is the latest news?
Has the plane been found?
Report charwell. January 22, 2019 6:56 PM GMT
1TP is a vile snide of the highest order. It's awful news for football and his beloved obviously.
Report 1st time poster January 22, 2019 6:58 PM GMT
as opposed to posters worrying about whether they got him insured in time
Report robbo007 January 22, 2019 6:59 PM GMT
Anyone any thoughts on why not found as yet? Not the biggest expanse of water, would a light aircraft break up and effectively sink on impact thus making it difficult?
Report scaredmoney January 22, 2019 7:10 PM GMT
bits of debris found on surface by all accounts,search called off for the day Sad
Report topshot January 22, 2019 7:15 PM GMT
Robbo, I used to fish in them waters, serious riptides and eddys, enough to spin a boat around and face it in the other direction.two big currents meet there and the sea seems to be nasty all the time. Couldn't of really gone done in a worse place in my opinion.
Report Latalomne January 22, 2019 9:00 PM GMT

Jan 22, 2019 -- 6:59PM, robbo007 wrote:


Anyone any thoughts on why not found as yet? Not the biggest expanse of water, would a light aircraft break up and effectively sink on impact thus making it difficult?


The prospects of a successful ditching (assuming it wasn't inadvertently flown into the sea) at night are extremely low.  Chances of a break up and sink scenario are highly likely.

Report Solano1 January 22, 2019 9:22 PM GMT
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Emiliano Sala’s ex-team-mate Diego Rolán to Radio 1010 AM: “Emiliano sent a message to a friend during the flight & told him that he was scared. That if they never spoke again, he would know what happened.”

Poor lad.
Report Solano1 January 22, 2019 9:27 PM GMT
Top shot - what is an eddy?
Report TheGoldenVision January 22, 2019 9:38 PM GMT
An eddy is a current, as of water or air, moving in a direction that is different from that of the main current. Eddies generally involve circular motion; unstable patterns of eddies are often called turbulence .
Report leazes67 January 22, 2019 9:59 PM GMT
Reports say take off attempted 2/3 times.
Report trilby22 January 22, 2019 10:00 PM GMT
LBC saying objects found floating in the sea.
Report GLASGOWCALLING January 22, 2019 11:17 PM GMT
Poor lad was just going to start a new
Venture. Sad
Report Latalomne January 23, 2019 7:15 AM GMT

Jan 22, 2019 -- 9:59PM, leazes67 wrote:


Reports say take off attempted 2/3 times.


Even if that is true, it's almost certainly a red herring. 

What we don't know at the moment is whether the aeroplane was scheduled to stop in Guernsey on the way back, as it had travelling in the opposite direction on Saturday.  If it wasn't, why was it flying so low?  (other aeroplanes reported ice accumulation on the wings at similar altitudes in the area on the day of the accident, yet it was a pressurised aeroplane and capable of flying above the clouds and out of icing conditions).  The pilot requested to descend from 5000' to 2300' for some reason prior to the accident....  (possibly to get out of the ice-forming clouds)

Report trilby22 January 23, 2019 7:32 AM GMT
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/emiliano-salas-chilling-last-audio-message-as-he-feared-plane-was-about-to-fall-apart/ar-BBSBxrK?ocid=spartandhp
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Emiliano Sala complained about a plane that looked like it was "about to fall apart" in a chilling final message before his disappearance.

The Cardiff City striker, signed for a club record £15million fee from Nantes, is feared dead after his plane went missing whilst travelling to the Welsh capital.

Guernsey Police have confirmed they have called off the search for the night and said the chances of survival for Sala or the pilot are "unfortunately slim".

Argentinian media outlet Ole have now released haunting verified audio sent from Sala to close friends on WhatsApp in the final moments before the plane vanished over the English Channel. 

Sala says: “Hello, little brothers, how are you crazy people?

"Brother, I’m dead, I was here in Nantes doing things, things, things, things and things, and it never stops, it never stops, it never stops.

"I’m here on a plane that looks like it’s about to fall apart, and I’m going to Cardiff, crazy, tomorrow we already start, and in the afternoon we start training, boys, in my new team…

"Let’s see what happens, so, how are you brothers and sisters, all right?

"If in an hour and a half you have no news from me, I don’t know if they are going to send someone to look for me because they cannot find me, but you know … Dad, how scared am I!”

Reports suggest Sala had expressed concern about the flight having travelled from Cardiff back to France in the same plane over the weekend.

He texted friends once on board to say the plane was making "weird noises" before the plane was reported as missing at around 8:30pm on Monday night.

The light aircraft had been flying at 5000ft but requested to land while passing Guernsey, with the a single-engine plane last detected at 2300 feet when they lost contact with Jersey air traffic controllers.

Cardiff City cancelled training on Tuesday, which was due to be Sala's first day with his new team-mates, in the wake of the tragic incident.
Report darren_discombobulates_sports January 23, 2019 4:20 PM GMT
apparently the plane he was travelling in was 35 years old, think anything over 15 years in aviation is considered old, 35 years is living well into borrowed time.
Report sofaking January 23, 2019 4:40 PM GMT
That's terrible. RIP. Sad
Report leazes67 January 23, 2019 5:17 PM GMT
Pilot is a gas fitter,ffsSad
Report howard January 23, 2019 5:53 PM GMT
If you get decent wages sometimes the best bet is  put your hand in your pocket and fly first to Heathrow.
Report Latalomne January 23, 2019 6:18 PM GMT

Jan 23, 2019 -- 4:20PM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:


apparently the plane he was travelling in was 35 years old, think anything over 15 years in aviation is considered old, 35 years is living well into borrowed time.


That really depends how well it's maintained.

It's all very well dumping people with parachutes out the side door of an aeroplane at an airfield you know like the back of your hand, and quite different flying a single-engine prop, over the sea, at night and in the face of icing conditions.  Whoever put pilot and passenger together bears a significant brunt of the liability here, it seems.

Report 11kv January 23, 2019 7:08 PM GMT

Jan 23, 2019 -- 5:53PM, howard wrote:


If you get decent wages sometimes the best bet is

Report 11kv January 23, 2019 7:10 PM GMT
Agree Howard,surely the travel was arranged for him and he went along with it.

Sky said that plane was used as it could stay in France for a few days and then fly him back....
Report Solano1 January 23, 2019 7:45 PM GMT
His agent booked it at his request, according to statements made this evening.
Very chilling message - poor kid.
Report leazes67 January 23, 2019 8:12 PM GMT
Solano1
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His agent booked it at his request

Easy for him to say after the event.
Report Solano1 January 23, 2019 8:16 PM GMT
Aye, oppose so.
Cardiff saying the same mind - they offered Commercial flights according to them.
Report Solano1 January 23, 2019 8:17 PM GMT
Suppose
Report kenny mann January 23, 2019 9:10 PM GMT
All very sad.

What happens to th 15m? Do Cardiff get compensated by the Ins Company assuming they're covered?
Report 1st time poster January 23, 2019 9:23 PM GMT
imagine 300 people walking on to the tarmac towards a 707 and someone says anyone fancy going on that 35 yr old 5 seater across the English channel at night in the middle of January piloted by an enthusiastic part time pilot , not been mega rich sometines a blessing
Report Racingqueen January 23, 2019 10:23 PM GMT
looking at a Malibu piper, you couldn't pay me to fly in one made yesterday let alone 35 years ago.

never understand flying in a single engine plane
Report Racingqueen January 25, 2019 8:11 PM GMT
Jack McKay helped book plane now according to Sky Sports.

passing the blame now..
Report Dav_vin03 January 25, 2019 10:24 PM GMT

Jan 23, 2019 -- 9:10PM, kenny mann wrote:


All very sad.What happens to th 15m? Do Cardiff get compensated by the Ins Company assuming they're covered?


yes, but only if he was insured

you normally cant insure a player purchased on the weekend until Monday morning which is why most deals if not confirmed Friday night are confirmed Monday morning

Cardiff announced his signing on a Saturday night, but for all we know the insurance could have been in place on the Friday or they put it through Monday morning.

Report topshot January 28, 2019 9:20 AM GMT
The family arrived in guernsey yesterday and they are going to fly over the area that the plane disappeared this morning. Not sure what they are expecting to see,but if it brings them a bit of peace I suppose it's worth doing.
Report dr . atkins February 3, 2019 9:40 PM GMT
i see they have found the wreckage of the plane lets hope they find the bodies for the sake of the families
Report frames February 6, 2019 4:54 PM GMT
Here come the lawyers ,no insurance perhaps ?
Report EastLower Gooner February 6, 2019 5:44 PM GMT
I don’t think an Insurance payout can happen until they locate his body.

Shame as Shergar...no payout because no body was ever found.
Report donny osmond February 6, 2019 5:51 PM GMT
shergars insurance went to court because the insurers claimed theft was not
covered in the insurance, not lack of a body.
Report Tiger Tiger February 6, 2019 7:02 PM GMT
Its disgusting that Nantes have demanded payment from Cardiff City withing the next 10 days. Shocking timing, and shocking in general.
Report donny osmond February 6, 2019 7:34 PM GMT
probably equally disgusting cardiff havnt paid , saying they are checking the paperwork.

doesnt do the lad , the pilot, and their families any good whatsoever
Report Charlton2005 February 6, 2019 7:40 PM GMT
Dav_vin03
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Jan 23, 2019 -- 9:10PM, kenny mann wrote:

All very sad.What happens to th 15m? Do Cardiff get compensated by the Ins Company assuming they're covered?

yes, but only if he was insured

you normally cant insure a player purchased on the weekend until Monday morning which is why most deals if not confirmed Friday night are confirmed Monday morning

Cardiff announced his signing on a Saturday night, but for all we know the insurance could have been in place on the Friday or they put it through Monday morning.


jaysus, so potentially out 15 bars because Cardiff didn't think of this. a lesson in insurance and the im portance of getting it right.
Report Solano1 February 6, 2019 7:42 PM GMT

Feb 6, 2019 -- 7:34PM, donny osmond wrote:


probably equally disgusting cardiff havnt paid , saying they are checking the paperwork.doesnt do the lad , the pilot, and their families any good whatsoever


Agreed.
Dock 6 points off the feckers.

Report penzance February 6, 2019 7:43 PM GMT
Thought the bloke on Sky mentioned £16m
insurance.
Report moisok February 6, 2019 7:58 PM GMT
french!!!!
Report moisok February 6, 2019 7:58 PM GMT
lawyers!!!
Report leazes67 February 6, 2019 11:32 PM GMT
Body recovered,not sure which.
Report trilby22 February 7, 2019 2:48 PM GMT
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/body-recovered-on-sala-plane-arrives-in-dorset/ar-BBTgqTO?
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Report skygreenzone February 7, 2019 7:35 PM GMT
Sad thing is had to set up a crowd funding page to pay for the search.Fecking disgrace the football clubs didn't pay.
Report dr . atkins February 7, 2019 10:50 PM GMT
body on the plane was emiliano sala r.i.p
Report the.mad.dog.man February 8, 2019 9:34 AM GMT
hope they are going to bring plane up
Report The Dragon February 9, 2019 8:27 AM GMT
very very sad why was he on a rickety plane like that?
Report darren_discombobulates_sports February 9, 2019 9:01 AM GMT
I think Cardiff and Nantes should split it agree on 7.5 million as a good will gesture considering he never got to play for them.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet February 9, 2019 9:04 AM GMT
Nantes should let Cardiff off with half of the money as a goodwill gesture? What would Cardiff's contribution to this goodwill gesture be?
Report darren_discombobulates_sports February 9, 2019 9:14 AM GMT
that's what I meant, it should come from Nantes as legally there's nothing Cardiff can do, whichever way I thought it was very bad timing for Nantes to demand the money on the day his body was found.
Report Blackrock February 9, 2019 9:26 AM GMT
Horrible to talk about money after such a tragedy - but Cardiff signed the player and should stump up the cash. Not Nantes fault if Cardiff didn't get the insurance sorted.
Report tobermory February 9, 2019 6:05 PM GMT
^
Indeed
Report 1st time poster February 9, 2019 6:12 PM GMT
football clubs pay,the bloke was on 50 grand a week, its like having a crowd funding page for david beckham
Report skygreenzone February 9, 2019 6:18 PM GMT
Doubt if he was getting 50 grand at nantes.
Report Latalomne February 9, 2019 7:36 PM GMT

Feb 9, 2019 -- 8:27AM, The Dragon wrote:


very very sad why was he on a rickety plane like that?


From what I've read elsewhere, there are likely to be an awful lot of questions about the legality of the flight at all, let alone what it was in....

Report dr . atkins February 9, 2019 7:58 PM GMT
cardiff acting like they are doing the family good by flying the body back home i think cardiff have acted shocking since the plane went down why have the families of both people in the plane had to start a funding page to get both bodies back a disgrace from cardiff fc
Report Latalomne February 9, 2019 8:04 PM GMT
I suspect there are genuine concerns about whether their 'asset' was insured (well, if the insurer is likely to pay out...).
Report DancingBraveTheBest March 23, 2019 5:18 PM GMT
rip
Report Latalomne March 30, 2019 1:42 PM GMT
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47749265

The more this story runs, the more incredible it seems....
Report Ibrahima Sonko March 30, 2019 1:49 PM GMT
Beginning to show agents only care about one thing.
Report BARNEY15C March 30, 2019 1:57 PM GMT
Isnt there a story that Cardiff are refusing to pay Nantes as they say the transfer was not legally binding, also the pilot in the crash was apparently colour blind. you couldn't make it up!!!
Report blackbarn March 30, 2019 10:04 PM GMT
"Isnt there a story that Cardiff are refusing to pay Nantes as they say the transfer was not legally binding, also the pilot in the crash was apparently colour blind. you couldn't make it up!!!"

1. this will be a matter of contractual detail and interpretation, and could run and run.
2. being colour-blind does not prevent you from being a pilot. You just can't fly at night.
Report Latalomne April 1, 2019 8:12 AM BST

Mar 30, 2019 -- 2:49PM, Ibrahima Sonko wrote:


Beginning to show agents only care about one thing.


100%, IS!

Report Latalomne April 1, 2019 8:17 AM BST

Mar 30, 2019 -- 11:04PM, blackbarn wrote:


"Isnt there a story that Cardiff are refusing to pay Nantes as they say the transfer was not legally binding, also the pilot in the crash was apparently colour blind. you couldn't make it up!!!"1. this will be a matter of contractual detail and interpretation, and could run and run. 2. being colour-blind does not prevent you from being a pilot. You just can't fly at night.


Everybody is just out to ensure that they were not holding the parcel when the music stopped as it has to be highly debatable as to whether there will be an insurance payout forthcoming given just how messy this whole sorry affair is.  The pilot clearly wasn't legal to fly as it did, the aeroplane wasn't legal to be flown as it was, and it is probably fairly safe to assume that there was to be some 'payment in kind' for the flight (given the pilot had just been issued with yet another CCJ), again something which he was not legal for.

Report donny osmond June 19, 2019 8:24 PM BST
i see somebody has been arrested, and released in connection to the death of sala and pilot.

families have been told of this.
Report lead on June 19, 2019 8:31 PM BST
Willie Mackay?
Report carrot1960 June 19, 2019 8:48 PM BST
Mackay is 60 not 64
Report lead on June 19, 2019 9:03 PM BST
Ah ok  thanks
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