VAR

PSV just equalised with a minute to go. Goes to VAR after which they're 40 seconds over time. So the referee blows up. Again one or both teams cheated out of a minute to win the game.

You're right Darlo, VAR is the gift that keeps on taking away.

More VARCE, this time in SPAL V Fiorentina, 2.5 settled again, goal by SPAL VAR'd, a goal for Fio 2 Mins later.

Yes, what a farce, absolutely ruining betting in running.

FIFA have half-arsed its development, rushed out its implementation and then given up on it. It's like the Wild West, every governing body is just running it how they feel like, then the refs and the VAR teams are doing as they please.

personally I just think it spoils the flow of the game,especially when a goal is scored,not just betting wise,but also as a supporter,when you score a goal your just holding your breath hoping it wont be ruled out for something.

i just hate it.. fixing a problem that does not exist and creating more issues.. ruining the game

personally I just think it spoils the flow of the game,especially when a goal is scored,not just betting wise,but also as a supporter,when you score a goal your just holding your breath hoping it wont be ruled out for something.


Exactly, this is what happened in the NFL. Flow of the game ruined and can't celebrate properly. After every play you're looking for yellow flags on the pitch. As daz said, creating prolems that don't exist and ruining the game.

I may be wrong with the match, but im sure something happenned in andy murrays second wimbledon win,in the final on murrays winning match point the other guy challenged it,totally ruined the moment.

Lurka, quite simply you are interpreting it wrong. You don't appear to be taking into account that the player isn't an offside position until the header takes place. You only consider the players position from that moment. It doesn't matter one iota what Tadic's position was prior to that moment as he isn't offside until then. Therefore he has made no difference to Courtois' ability to challenge for the ball. The ball is going towards goal. A challenge isn't taking place. You therefore only disallow the goal if you think Courtois might have got to the header without Tadic standing there. That clearly isn't the case.

Asparagus, I have already told you that i am working off the video still used by the VAR people. The video is paused at the time the attacker heads the ball. I don't know why you keep on saying I'm not taking into account that he's not offside until the header takes place. I am ignoring everything until the header takes place.

Once again you reference Courtois 'might have got to the header'. It is irrelevant whether he'd have got to it for the umpteenth + 1 time. What is relevant is that he could have made a better challenge for it without tadic standing offside between him and the ball. He could have jumped, got his arms closer to the ball, put the attacker off etc etc. Challenging for the ball is not the same as getting a touch on or playing the ball, that's why they use seperate wording ('to play or to challenge for').

There are literally hundreds of challenges for the ball in every match where a challenge is made and the attacker/defender does not get to the ball. Almost every aerial dual, including the dual between the Ajax attacker and the Real defender in the VAR still, involves a challenge for the ball with one player not getting a touch on it. Tadic's offside position between the keeper and the ball clearly impeded the keeper's ability to challenge for the ball. If the ball were a further 5 yards from goal they may have felt he wasn't close enough to challenge but in this case they did and on a literal interpretation of the rule I think that was the right call.

I may be wrong with the match, but im sure something happenned in andy murrays second wimbledon win,in the final on murrays winning match point the other guy challenged it,totally ruined the moment.

There was something similar in cricket a few years ago.  New Zealand were on the brink of their first test match win in Australia for decades.  They took the final Australian wicket and were ready to celebrate.  Australia decided to ask for a review, just because they could, even though their was no chance of it being overturned.  Eventually the wicket was confirmed but the whole fiasco soured it for me.  Sport should be about the joy of the live moment, not the joy of the VAR decision.

totally agree Ian,the murray match was the same i think the ball was a good few inches out butbecause the other guy had a challenge he used it,totally unprofessional in my view.

I'm not a fan but VAR does seem more about chalking goals off than creating them.  A couple of minutes before Man Utd scored the first against Chelsea, one of the Chelsea players (can't remember who) had his shirt completely ripped from a challenge in the box by a Man Utd player.  When BBC showed the slow mo it looked a penalty to me for blatant shirt pulling but VAR never got involved.  It's not sour grapes as I had punted on a Man Utd, but I don't think VAR is being used in a positive way when it comes to goals.

I think you're right, it's going to cost more goals. At the end of the day, VAR is just a way to shape games how the powers that be what them to go. The refs and VAR crews will see what they're told to see and ignore what's 'unhelpful'.

It's clear that it is not about correcting clear and obvious errors as we were told, as refs and VAR crews are just making it up as they go along.

Get ready next season for perfectly good goals to be over ruled because an incorrect camera angle on VAR shows the strikers big toe millimetres offside

Another shocker for me in the city game.
Game now being reffed in super slow mo. With players expected to have super human reaction times.

Maybe the reporter should have seen this coming -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvtYg36E8I

VAR needs to be stopped.  Another good goal disallowed.  Players going down like feathers impacting on decisions

The genie is out of the bottle now, FIFA are just a complete joke as the administrators

1 - does it eliminate errors? No
2 - has it improved the game? No

But, yes now it's started it won't be revoked.

And how can a "clear and obvious error" (which is clearly no longer used) take 3 or 4 minutes take to look at?

Man City VAR.

Real-time - 9/10 no pen.
Super Slow-Mo - 5/10 pen.

Result PEN

Atletico goal VAR.

Real-time - 9/10 goal.
5th angle super slow-mo - 6/10 no goal.

Result GOAL.

My experience after watching the clowns in VAR at the world cup is that virtually every time the ball strikes a defenders arm in the penalty area no matter under what circumstances they always seem to order a penalty, a bit like the Spanish referees in la Liga they always seem to give a pen if the ball strikes hand no matter under what circumstances.

Otamendi could see the ball coming all the way and actually stuck his arm out first before pulling it away at the very last second. Clear penalty imo. Guy is an idiot and the second yellow even more stupid seeing as he'd got one already

I do have a gripe with tonight's VAR in the City game. The VAR team give an opinion and then the referee checks the monitor to make the final decision, but in this case VAR made the final decision as the monitor wasn't working.

How can that be right?

If the monitor isn't working then (imho) VAR should not be used in that game... surely!

I had laid Juve tonite..............how can they be favourites to win at Athletico???????so was mortified when their first 'goal' was ruled out.

Justice was done though with 2 wonderful, late and unexpected goals

when they announced VAR for the CL UEFA said they want the ref to check the monitor every time

when they announced VAR for the CL UEFA said they want the ref to check the monitor every time

I didn't realise that.  Even more seconds being wasted then, time which probably won't be added back on.  So, decision made by on-field ref....VAR ref thinks it may be wrong so play stops....everyone stands around and waits....VAR keep playing it back and forth...eventually decide ref needs to look at incident again....ref trots over to pitch side monitor....ref watches it over a few times...ref makes final decision...ref blows whistle and trots back again....game restarts.

Lurka, i'm shocked that after i've explained the law so many times you are still getting it wrong. It is absolutely NOT  relevant that Courtois might have been closer to the ball without Tadic being in between as Tadic hasn't impeded him and at no point at that stage is Tadic offside. I repeat Tadic is only in an offside position from the moment the header takes place. Forget anything before that. It is not relevant.
To quote you, you say that you are 'ignoring everything until the header takes place' you then say that without Tadic standing there he might have 'put the attacker off etc'. can you not see how contradictory those two statements are. If you are ignoring everything until the header takes place how could Courtois have put the attacker off. The header has already taken place. You can't put someone off an event that has already happened.
I've checked with the best officials around and it's a clear misinterpretation of the law by the VAR.

Unfortunately VAR reared it's ugly head again last night with 1 poor decision in the City game which Roache has covered earlier and one decision in the Athletico game which beggars belief. A total scandal.

Fair enough on your point about putting the attacker off at that stage, I accept that and I shouldn't have said that.

But he *could* have got a hand to the ball (I don't think he would have the way the header went but again that is irrelevant because the attacker could eg have headed it down). You can't have it both ways, you stop everything at the moment the image is paused and just as you can't take into account what went on beforehand, you can't take into account what happened after either ie the flight of the ball from the header and the virtual certainty that Courtois wouldn't have played/touched it. If it is not clear to you that Tadic being offside between the keeper and the ball when the picture is stopped impedes the keeper's ability to make a challenge for (as opposed to touch) the ball, then there is no point in arguing about it and we'll just have to agree to disagree.

You've checked with Champions League refs?

asparagus, without doubt otamendis hand ball is a penalty, he actually watches the ball through its flight on to his arm, if he has time to do that he has time to move his arm, he also knows the shot is about to be made and makes himself bigger by holding his arm away from his body (when if he had any sense he'd tuck it in) he knows what he's doing, some would call it clever, of course all the ex pros said it wasnt hand ball they always do, VAR got that right

Yep Otamendi's arm actually comes out a little bit as he is watching the ball and then he pulls it away at the last second. Looked like an impulsive/reflex action to touch the ball with his arm and make it look like he wasn't trying to or else realised he was going to give away a pen too late. Those ones are rarely not given.

Did you establish all of above real time? Very much doubt it.
And believe it or not neither did Otamendi in the 0.3s before it hit his hand.

Real time and super slow mo are too different games.....

two

Neither were pens imho but Guardiola seems happy enough to accept them. Otamendi was clearly attempting to get his arm out the way and the second one Schlake were offside prior to Fernandinho's foul. Plenty more controversial VARs to come.

Managers have a habit of acceptance when they have just beat a sh1te team away from home.
Would be interested in the consistency of his opinion if it was the pen that put them out of the competition.

super hans, yes actually, i made it 1/3 of a second, which is long enough to watch the ball on to his arm and clench his fist, human reaction time is .25 second but of course less here as the player knows the shot is about to be taken, its a pen on 2 counts

his arm is out slightly away from his body and increases his block area by doing so

he doesnt move his arm out of the way given he has time

its instinctive from a very experienced defender, he knows what he's doing, clever with it given so many think he couldnt prevent it hitting his arm (from the point he knew a shot was about to be taken)

absolutely impossible for Otamendi to get his arm out of the way, as the former players agreed that were commentating.

he's also got Ederson behind him who may well have made the save so there would be no reason for him to deliberately handball and give away an pen.

Rider,
I assume you, as I have watched 1000's of games of football.
And this sums up why VAR is unworkable for subjective decisions.

Even refs are disagreeing.

i'll assume your phishing themover, you dont need to be a former player to know these things, balls move just as fast on playing fields

if his arms were nearer to his body he'd have got away with it but would the ball have hit his arm then?

i think this was an obvious decision given the usual precedent on these situations, so why take so long? i think they could have been looking at a potential offside, a schalke player runs across the eye line of the keeper in what looked like an offside position

this didnt help but thats a problem with VAR so many things to look at

Clear and obvious is dead.
It is now a check on every goal reffed in 2 different ways. Real-time pitch decision v Super Slow mo studio decision.

It will get to the point where goals aren't celebrated until 3 mins later when all checks are done.

Rider,
I've only know 5 professional refs opinions.

Pitch ref - No pen
VAR Ref - Pen
Studio - Pen
Mark Halsey - No pen
Dermott Gallagher - No pen

Clear and obvious????

i actually think pitch refs often bottle these decisions now knowing VAR will look

whether its clear and obvious is another debate in itself!

last night the studio ref kept saying things will get better/quicker etc so you have to wonder why they are using it in the champions league at this stage of its evolution, i know all the clubs wanted it but not many viewers do from an entertainment point of view

Maybe 3 VAR refs in the box with a yes or no button.
Not allowed to communicate just press the button.
Anything less than 3 in agreement decision stands.

Certainly a good time to be a ref

I think there is some confusion over "clear and obvious". Even some of the "expert" pundits are under the impression it means "clear and obvious" as from the on-field ref's perspective but I'm sure that's not the case, it's how it looks on the VAR.

Yes it means clear and obvious to a qualified ref in the VAR room looking at 5 different angles and multiple replays, not clear and obvious live. Basically means the video clearly shows there was an error

I'm so disillusioned with the whole situation I've decided to do a naked protest march on Saturday from Blackburn to London, stopping off at Betfair HQ on the way and leaving a giant turd on the CEO's desk.

Anyone is welcome to join me, leaving Ewood Park 3PM Saturday, you can wear clothes if you feel embarrassed, the only reason I'm doing it naked is because I've got a massive c ock and it'd be nice to show it off and give it some air.

I'll be putting the butty's up so if any interested parties can e mail me so I know how many loafs to buy.

My e mail is varisafukcingjokeandthe****satbetfairaremakingitworse.com

Non
You could always post it

VAR is clearly and obviously, as predicted by everyone who isn't on the football gravy train, a complete disaster. I love listening to all the all-pro's and the old refs and the presenters trying to defend it and make out it's a WIP and everything will be great when all the problems are ironed out, no it won't, this is just the start we haven't even got close to peak VAR madness. Just wait until every game every week is subject to VAR. They keep telling is it's going to speed up but all the evidence is that it's taking longer and longer.

VAR is already much worse than it was 8 months ago in the World Cup.

VAR is clearly and obviously, as predicted by everyone who isn't on the football gravy train, a complete disaster. I love listening to all the all-pro's and the old refs and the presenters trying to defend it and make out it's a WIP and everything will be great when all the problems are ironed out, no it won't, this is just the start we haven't even got close to peak VAR madness. Just wait until every game every week is subject to VAR. They keep telling is it's going to speed up but all the evidence is that it's taking longer and longer.

VAR is already much worse than it was 8 months ago in the World Cup.

Lurka, I've checked with Champions League assistants on that offside call in the Real game. That's a very important distinction. Unfortunately part of the problem with VAR is that the VAR official is a referee and to be quite frank referees do not understand the intricacies of the offside laws. They don't have any need to usually. It's a big mistake by UEFA and FIFA to handle it this way. They have an assistant in the studio too but his responsibilities are different and he is not allowed to make any judgement.
With regard to the Otamendi 'handball' the biggest issue is 'clear and obvious'. Many people think Otamendi was trying to get his hand out of the way and didn't react in time, some other people seem to think he had time and chose not to. I don't believe that myself but the issue is that whatever your opinion it cannot be considered a clear and obvious error. If a penalty was given by the ref i can see the argument to uphold it, but they should not be reversing these marginal calls.
In the Athletico v Juve game it's just a scandalous decision. One of the worst refereeing decisions i've ever seen. For this to be as a result of VAR is a scandal.

Finally, as an aside one of the things UEFA and FIFA are getting wrong is putting the final decision back to the ref on these things. The Juve players for example hounded that referee and then when he was told have a look at the monitor he is automatically under even more pressure. It encourages players to hound referees and put pressure on them. If the final decision was made by the VAR there would be less hounding of referees and less pressure on the decision. Finally, it should be a VAR assistant in charge of offside decisions and someone in the box should also be in charge of timekeeping as currently refs just want to get off the pitch asap so often don't play enough added time. I'm not a fan of VAR in general but at least they should be getting the basics right.

currently refs just want to get off the pitch asap so often don't play enough added time

I totally agree with that, you can often tell by their body language.  It's human nature I suppose, their worst nightmare would be making a howler late in the game so they look to finish it as quickly as possible.

referees do not understand the intricacies of the offside laws

I think there are plenty of linesmen who don't understand either.  There was a Spurs game about 3 years ago in PL when someone received the ball about 10 yards inside his own half (it wasn't in doubt) and ran on to score.  The linesman disallowed it for offside!

Another point with VAR is it wouldn't have fixed either complaint in the Spurs game. Where 2 ref errors lead to goals.

var wrong again,whats the point when thetre getting as many wrong as before it came in

Feb 24, 2019 -- 8:05AM, ian merseyside wrote:

currently refs just want to get off the pitch asap so often don't play enough added timeI totally agree with that, you can often tell by their body language.  It's human nature I suppose, their worst nightmare would be making a howler late in the game so they look to finish it as quickly as possible.referees do not understand the intricacies of the offside lawsI think there are plenty of linesmen who don't understand either.  There was a Spurs game about 3 years ago in PL when someone received the ball about 10 yards inside his own half (it wasn't in doubt) and ran on to score.  The linesman disallowed it for offside!

Yep. I've regularly seen players given offside in their own half or from a throw-in, or occasionally when a defender well behind play. First two are officials complete lack of knowledge of the rules; third is incompetence.

In my opinion linesmen do a pretty decent job.
One thing that needs pointing out.
In cricket when they are using tv replays to sort out lbw and feint edged catches they use cameras running to a thousandth of a second to follow the ball.
In soccer in order to sort out a fractional offside they use a random blurry picture selected by a tv director.
Often with a big thick yellow line running down the tv screen.
And for that ex player tv pundits think they have the right to tell professional match officials that they dont know what they are doing.
Okaaayyyy.....

The fiorentina / inter Milan game this evening was a joke because of var

Another potential farce in the City Spurs game earlier.  During the second half when Sterling cuts in from the right and gets to the goal line inside the box. He then pulls the ball back and when the shot comes in he is clearly offside as the keeper has to parry the ball away from near Sterling's feet.  I think the linesman has kept his flag down at this point in case the ball goes in the net and they can then VAR it.  The next shot then comes in and gets deflected away for a corner.  The VAR cannot now be used to cancel the corner to give the correct decision of offside.  City could well have scored from the corner which only occurred because the linesman kept his flag down because of VAR protocol.

Asparagus, it is clear to me that Courtois ability to attempt to play the ball (ie ability to challenge for the ball) is impeded by a player standing offside between him and the ball at the time the ball is headed. Just his ability to attempt to play it is enough for offside, not his ability to actually play it. I don't think it's possible for a Champions League ref to explain to me why that is not the case. It may be a matter of opinion/fact as to whether his ability to attempt to play it is impeded and some refs might think not but I disagree with that opinion. There are refs who say it was the right call as well. There are refs who have said Courtois wouldn't have got a touch on the ball which is wrong as offside is judged at the time the picture is frozen and what happens afterwards is irrelevant. Just agree to disagree.

Re clear and obvious, I think this means clear and obvious from the video review having watched it multiple times. Some refs like Halsey are strict on the handball being deliberate but others aren't so much and seem to go with the view that if your arm is up/out and the ball is blocked it's a pen. I don't think Otamendi can complain, those pens are given far more often than not imo, especially since VAR came in.

Yesterday's incident with Hazard clean through in the last minute was the opposite of Kane's in the semi final when the linesman kept his flag down. Also thought Aguero's offside was a dodgy angle to use and wasn't clear and obvious from that angle. And it is not a tv director choosing when to pause the image. It is the VAR refs.

I am going to cancel my sports subscription this morning as you can't watch a game anymore with the same enjoyment,these var decisions are spoiling the viewing,if a goal is scored you just never know if it will be allowed or not.

Just shaking my head at a new low in VAR, Napoli v Juve, ball smashed at Sandro's arm from a yard away, Sandro not looking at the ball and has no idea where the ball is as the ball has come over from a cross.

Pen missed, justice done but that's the worst I've seen yet. The referee simply could not wait to give the pen, he only looked at it for 5 seconds.

Does VAR mnake a whole lot of difference to me from a trading POV? I don't think so, but it makes the games a lottery and as I always suspected easlier to 'fix' for the powers that be.

Hopefully that ridiculous decision will not happen next season as they are changing the rules for penalty handballs and if your arms are in a natural silhouette position as opposed to arms aloft or out wide from the body then a penalty should not be given however we all know that this is never going to be consistent with some of the muppets disguised as referees and the VAR officials and it will still be a lottery but hopefully it will be a step in the right direction.

Roache, that interpretation already exists in the Premier league but you are right that it's becoming a law next season rather than just a Premier League interpretation of deliberate/unnatural position.
Lurka, whilst i'm happy to agree to disagree on that Ajax 'goal' I think it's very important to ignore what a ref thinks. As i said before refs really do not have an understanding of the intricacies of the offside laws and i would trust my sources to my right totally. I actually still believe your interpretation is wrong about the offside in that you don't judge it as the picture is being frozen. You judge it on what happened. An assistant wouldn't put his flag up at the moment the header is made, he would wait until he is happy on whether the player was active. As the ball was headed high over their heads he wasn't active. Anyway, i know you won't agree but that is 100% my understanding from totally reliable sources.
I do agree with you on some of these very tight offside calls. The technology just isn't good enough.
And with regard to Otamendi I would say you are right that the majority of this type decision is given abroad but I would say much less so here. Hopefully the law change which Roache mentions will help with consistency from next season though of course this one is still one which will be argued over. No question that his arm is within a natural silhouette position but some will still argue that he chose to leave his arm there and had time to take it away. For me, that's watching it with slo mo replays and a harsh interpretation but appreciate many will disagree.

'As i said before refs really do not have an understanding of the intricacies of the offside laws and i would trust my sources to my right totally.'

Makes no sense. You either trust refs or you don't. What are the names of these sources anyway? Must be some famous names if they are better than Champions league officials?

Did you see the one in the Munchengladbach - Bayern game this weekend? Bayern attacker clearly shoves his marker to the ground at a corner and gets a free header. Goes to VAR - goal stands. 0-1 after 90 seconds. Truly shocking decision from referee and then from VAR. If it had been the other way around it would have been a stone cold penalty.

I do agree with you on some of these very tight offside calls. The technology just isn't good enough.

If it's that tight then it should favour the attacking team imo

How long was that delay on VAR. Good luck with these market re-settlements and not annoying people.

Man U pen.

Real time 0 - 10 pen.
Slow Mo 5 - 10 pen.

They missed Mbappe’s stamp on Smalling

Straight red.

Disgusting. Could’ve broken his leg.

that's the game fooked ,be playing music and selling popcorn during the look at VAR soon total bull sh it

VAR 2 Football 0

Although the 2nd was correct

Aye but its all predicatable

Hans i have only seen the so called handball once on the news, it didnt look deliberate to me ??

  A neutral ( southampton ) supporter btw.

I agree. Was never handball.

Same here Glasgow,good luck to utd but if VAR is going to give decisions like that the game is fecked.

Lurka, you are missing the point totally on officiating. Refs have never really needed to know the offside laws until now so it's hardly surprising they are getting it wrong. So the answer is of course i do not trust refs to interpret offside decisions correctly. Quite a lot of training has gone on in the Premier League to get refs to notice, appreciate and understand the intricacies of the offside laws but they will still make mistakes because they are new to this decision making. An assistant should obviously be making these decisions rather than a referee. I'm not prepared to name names on a public forum but you can be assured that the people i check with know the offside laws much better than a Champions League referee. In fact i would be quite sure I know the laws much better than most Champions League referees.

Two more joke decisions tonight which settled the Champions League matches. The Utd one was nothing more than a disgrace whilst the Porto penalty was extremely poor interpretation of the laws. It's a tragedy for the game when nearly every tie is getting a shocking VAR decision.

Refs have never needed to know the offside laws until recently? Absolute nonsense. They need training because the laws and the interpretation of them have changed from season to season. If you are trying to convince me that you know better than a CL referee and so do your anonymous sources with zero evidence of how that is then save it and just agree to disagree, I'll trust the interpretation of CL refs and VAR officials together with UEFA's statement explaining why the Ajax decision was correct, which I agree with reading the laws of the game although I'd prefer to have seen it given. I could make up my own anonymous sources to back up my view but I don't need to. CL officials and the laws of the game are enough for me.

And the Porto penalty was a clear penalty tonight. You pull a guy's shirt in the box like that and you are going to get a pen after a VAR review over 90% of the time. It was a stupid thing to do and he was asking for a pen to be given. The Man U one was very harsh and easier not to give but as I said after the Otamendi decision the other week, they are given a lot more often now with VAR and we saw questionable handball reviews like that numerous times during the World Cup. It's not going to change. People like Neymar are giving out about the VAR officials saying they don't know the game but it was the ref that made the call in both cases.

sorry to upset the status quo but i think it was a penalty tonight to manchester united

i know why many will think it wasnt, we predictably heard it from all the ex pros again but what is the point of listening to them?

as the shot was taken the defender ran in to block it, ok he's so close he doesnt have time to get his arm out of the way but thats not the point, its where he positions his arm just before the shot is taken and that is clearly well away from his body, had he not been positioned between the ball and the goal his arm would have been by his side

as an aside you really have to question his defending too, firstly turning his back on the ball and secondly not keeping his arms close to his body as the shot is taken, does the man standing on the end of the wall have a gap between his arm and his body as a freekick is taken?

NO

so how is this different?

it's just not natural to jump with your arms stuck next to your body. i wouldn't say his arm was in a particularly unnatural position. they're basically saying any handball in the box is a penalty now

it's just not natural to jump with your arms stuck next to your body

VAR gave a penalty the other day when a defender put his hands up to protect his face, now thats a natural thing to do, so you saying it shouldnt be a penalty?

VAR is ruining the game. There are so many incidents in a match that the ref gets wrong and we just accept it as part of what happens in football. If we were to stop at every dubious decision, the game would last all night.

So are we just using VAR for penalty box incidents? The Man Utd pen was an obscenity to football. We have to change the laws now so that ANY handball anywhere on the pitch is handball, end of. At least everyone will know that if the ball hits the hand a pen will be given. No ambiguity, and takes officials opinion out of the equation.

Not what i really want to see but VAR makes this the only course left. PSG really did show what a bottleless shower they are and got their just desserts.

gotta be more discretion than the sort of ludicrous decision given last night. wouldn't give a pen if it hits your hand which is clearly in front of your body. obviously hand way above your head or stuck straight out well away from side different matter

no one on either side or the commentators thought that was a penalty at time. almost an afterthought it was checked before the corner

Extract from Law 12

Handling the ball

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence


The word unnatural does not appearin the current laws of the game at all, very frustrating that expert pundits continue to belive that it does.

Five Live commentary team continue to say they went to a UEFA referee briefing where it stated "unnatural position". Don't blame the commentators if a referee briefing used these terms.

He's jumping so there's got to be an issue as to whether he's in the penalty area anyway and that's before you get onto the debate about the handball.

no one thought it was a pen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zDjvgTgNdA

can see at least 5 manu players appealing for something, was it for a corner

Maybe the refs need to read the IFAB Laws Of The Game 2018/19

Incidentally, there was an IFAB meeting in Aberdeen last week and Gianni Infantino took the opportunity to attend a Cove Rangers match on the Saturday.

they're definitely making sure he's seen the touch over for the corner. would all be surrounding the ref if they genuinely thought it was a pen

making sure the ref has seen the touch

Linesmen also being instructed not to flag for marginal offsides as VAR will check on it. That also seems counterintuitive to the rules to me; what happens if a striker not flagged but should have been, doesn't score but gets a corner and then the team score from the corner. VAR wouldn't go back and correct that mistake; and a mistake the linesman might not have made had it not been for a change against the laws of the game.

linesman can still flag, late, if hes spotted an offside, but wasnt quite sure
he wanted to interupt play

hope it evolves like that, to avoid such instances darlo.

2 games in the last hours where markets have been settled and closed only for goals to be rescinded . Feyenoord and Torini games.

GET IT SORTED BETFAIR

Old VAR thread before it hit the Premier League.

I'd guess we'd have less cheer leaders now

fckin sh1te,get rid of it quick.
Ripping the heart out of the game.

The Norwich one was comical

He's clearly onside from the pics, but they say in the buildup he was off, people tell them its all in the rules he can comeback onside, so they simply change it to he was offside when the ball was played

Took the pish with it long ago, but now taking absolute liberties with it