Is crowd abuse part and parcel of football ?

If they did it to someone in the street would that be acceptable behaviour? Ban it I say.

I agree about racial abuse but the fact is players get abuse from opposing fans if football kits were designed to be all in ones with full head cover the opposing fans would still abuse the opposing players they just wouldn’t have racial overtones

When someone shouts abuse they often add the most striking visual feature to the abuse the. Followed by what they think they know about the person

So if a player was say more rotund the abuse would relate to this and fat would be the adjective if they had red hair then ginger would be the adjective a persons place of birth or nationality also would be an adjective

The colour of someone’s skin also an adjective these are used by someone whose verbally abusing you so it’s not really unexpected even if it’s unwarranted  of course it’s wrong but you can’t stop individuals from doing it if it’s in their nature



Abusivelanguage is never complimentary and is always littered with the most easy reconiseable feature

I remember my dear mother hurling abuse at Mick Mills from the Chicken Run after he ran his studs down Billy Bonds leg . I think people were more amused than offended . Football always brought the worse out of mother lol . No harm done

No opposition player would escape abuse from the supporters in the Chicken Run.

if you cant find some way to abuse a player without refering to racism
or generalisations then perhaps you shouldnt be abusing the players.

Notorious enclosures , such as the Chicken Run , are often affectionately referred to in anecdotes by ex-footballers . They seemed to accept that it was one aspect of The Boleyn that made it a 'fortress' especially under floodlights , for some reason . The banter and the humour of the occupants , even the abuse is fondly remembered by many . Football grounds have been over-sanitised due to recent legislation (some necessary on grounds of H&S) but to remove it completely would kill what little atmosphere we have retained .

themover • December 11, 2018 11:25 AM GMT
If they did it to someone in the street would that be acceptable behaviour?
I agree totally but we aren't talking about a public thoroughfare , we're talking about football grounds . Half the challenges that occur within them would be deemed unacceptable in the street !
Working class spectators and industrial language have long been associated with the national game . Why try to change things ?

I agree with you , donny , just keep out the racist comments . Everything else is fair game

Chelsea fan claiming he called Sterling a 'Manc C' not a 'Black C' now....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6481297/Chelsea-fan-accused-racially-abusing-Sterling-says-called-MANC-c-not-black-one.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490

yeah, right...dont tell me, he also reckons he's got mates who is black?

Maybe fans should adopt the players approach and cover their mouths when speaking, that way no chance of being lip read.

I'm guessing Alf Garnett would have got a life ban then ?

The Mail quoted the supporter as saying: “I’m deeply ashamed by my own behaviour and I feel really bad. But I didn’t call him a ***** ****, I called him a Manc ****.

“I’ve been going to Chelsea for 50 years now and, because of where I sit, I’m picked up on the camera most weeks. If I had a history of saying this sort of thing I would’ve been caught by now.”

The Mail further quoted the fan as saying he had lost his job and Chelsea season ticket and as adding: “I offer him an unreserved apology. Even if it wasn’t racist, it’s not right what I said.”

surprised at the Daily Mail sticking up for a racist   

So we cant upset the overpaid prime Donnas now, fair enough when they score don't run past cupping their ear or shooshing fans etc etc or just standing there winding up the fans. Go to their own fans. Pity the old dog track is still not round the ground so the over sensitive types wouldn't be able to hear it.

i recall seeing a black lad in row behind, maybe ask him how he feels every saturday. ??

Morgan Freeman gave the best answer ever when asked in a TV interview what's the best way to tackle racism. "Simple" he said. "Don't talk about it".

I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of people are not racist. So by feeding the small minority of pondlife the oxygen of publicity, it's never going to die.

Gazza was a woman beater weren't he?

Media blowing it all out of proportion and never said anything when it really was rife

Chelsea knuckle draggers have form. Imagine taking your kids to a match and sitting near them.

Dec 11, 2018 -- 6:39PM, MrMeaner wrote:

Morgan Freeman gave the best answer ever when asked in a TV interview what's the best way to tackle racism. "Simple" he said. "Don't talk about it".I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of people are not racist. So by feeding the small minority of pondlife the oxygen of publicity, it's never going to die.

This is a nonsense theory. Where this happens racism tends to be more rife.

I would also guess more people are racist than you'd think and that would let on. I mean nobody openly admits to being a racist outside lunatics but you only need to have been around certain environments, and football is one to hear racist language all the time.

An on OP no. This is where the slippery slope begins, it's when people start passing thing as banter or part of the game and so on which are actually just massively racist/sexist and so on.

Agree 100% with n88uk. "Banter" must be one of the most abused words in the English language.

The bullsh1t over this story is piling so high you need wings to stay above it.
Sterling is a bit of a dick but no one deserves to be called a 'manc c@nt'.
But thats all it was.
I would suggest that if the standards applied to this chelsea fan are applied to the liv utd game this sunday then they may as well play it behind closed doors.

c@nt maybe, manc hardly

Going to go silly now, bloke on The Debate now suggesting that you shouldn't call a player "lazy" who hasn't pulled his weight if he happens to be black because it has "connotations"

What happens when Sterling has a real bad game in future!!! 9/10 would be my guess.

The print media who he's called out will be scared to death now.

if sterling was lazy you could call him lazy, he isnt lazy though, so why even suggest it

The bloke was referring to Lukaku being described as lazy whilst Morata was described as being "laconic"

sorry duffy, i didnt know that, has that post gone?


i thought jose got the blame for lukakus lack of workrate these days

Darren Lewis said it on "the debate" on sky sports.

Danny Murphy remarked how he was doing a game with Gullit one time and referrred to a black player as a beast, he was obviously praising the guy, but Gullit asked him if he would use that term if the player had been white....Murphy said that it made him think somewhat!!!!  Discussing whether a lot of us are guilty of unconscious racism.

billy whitehurst was often referred to as being a beast or a monster

i dont see what the term has to do with race, fairly similar to lazy.

most folk dont worry about stuff because they are not racist, but if
something they say is offensive then they will offer explanation, and
if still required an apology.

the suggestion that some folk rush to find offence when non is intended
nor exists is also true of some folk.

uffy    12 Dec 18 14:32 
Danny Murphy remarked how he was doing a game with Gullit one time and referrred to a black player as a beast, he was obviously praising the guy, but Gullit asked him if he would use that term if the player had been white....Murphy said that it made him think somewhat!!!!  Discussing whether a lot of us are guilty of unconscious racism.




Dennis Skinner is white.

Sterling's negativity stems back to when he left Liverpool and then the gun tattoo. In some peoples mind's, the tattoo could be construed as a foolish choice when weighed against the current culture. Sterling explains himself and the public is expected to accept it.

that's the point, why should murphy question himself , if anything its guliit that's the racist if he connects the word beast with been black, that's the point piers morgan was making with the loony carlise

sterlings problems stem from taking 100 games to even look like a footballer ,missing open goals,shinning shots, etc,etc, been caught doing shishi pipes, fathering umpteen kids ,tattoo,,doing the kissing the badge routine at l,pool, showboating in the derby etc,etc

sterling got abuse at liverpool, but had suarez to kop most of the flak.

I just think it's really sad that men in their 50's feel the need to shout at any footballer like that.I could understand kids as they are still maturing and don't know any better.But grown men.sad.

what a massive bag of bollocks this is.darren lewis  has got a problem with calling paul progba lazy. would he have a problem if i said he was bang overrated? lacks football intelligence? and got a attitude problem? dear o dear what is this country coming to.and by the way iam not racist i just have an opinion.

lnjera not being funny not really bothered whats the situation is in africa.will put it another way mesut ozil of arsenal is lazy player and when a player earning bundles a week playing football cant be bothered to run supporters paying top dollar are entitled to moan and say how they fill.

Has Big Ron been consulted?

Big Ron's situation is the biggest irony in all this, because he was one of the first who championed black players, made a stupid bad mistake but isn't a racist.

Agree sj. I'm just trying to think why 'lazy' is used for blacks more than whites.

Many players look as they don't care and have languid running styles. Pogba the classic example. Does he care? Almost certainly. Does it look like it? Not really.

I've not been aware that the term is used for black people more than white.

Ask anyone what player has the biggest engine in the EPL and you'd probably have most people say Kante with a few Fernandinho's sprinkled in.

lnjera why lazy is used more for blacks than whites.that is a complete bag of bollocks.ozil is the laziest player in the prem for me and a complete waste of time that is my opinion.kante won of the best and hardest working players.it not about colour it about saying it as it is.

you beat me to it duffy.you are spot on.

Has Jonny Barnes had his say yet.....

It is easy to see the problem if you go to a match. Around 20 years ago (when Blackburn won the league) my 14 year old as he was then was a big Blackburn fan despite living in Gloucestershire. I contacted Aston Villa to ask about a family ticket section and made the big mistake of telling the person on the phone that my son supported Blackburn. Her tone was really hostile and she told me that the away supporters were confined to one part of the ground behind a goal and that family seats were only for home fans. What sort of message is that. My other son was a Gloucester rugby supporter and we went to a few games, mixed freely with away supporters and could stand or sit in any part of the ground. There was never any problems. The more they segregate the more hostile the environment gets.

off cource barnes has had hes say. great player. v poor manager. hope the thruth is not to sensitive

off cource barnes has had hes say. great player. v poor manager. hope the thruth is not to sensitive

Please change poor to participating

id happily take any abuse from the crowd for 10k a week let alone 100k+

you have to fill sorry for the poor little lambs

wOULD YOU TAKE IT IN THE STREET WHEN THEY KNOW YOU COULD FIGHT BACK?

W

I think many football fans are generally ignorant and stupid. They feel they can get away with it when in a crowd. Many don't even know the rules but have an opinion about how the ref cost them the game. Compare these people with rugby and cricket fans and you'd think they are from a different planet. That is not to say all football fans are stupid or thugs. A colleague told me today he went to Stockholm with Chelsea back in the day. The riot Police were stood down because of the good behaviour of the fans. I guess they are not all mindless morons, I just like to think so!

Many don't even know the rules but have an opinion about how the ref cost them the game. Compare these people with rugby and cricket fans and you'd think they are from a different planet.

This also applies to many football players and managers

temple your bang on there pal. great shout.

and rugby fans do no the rules 47 possible offences at a line out

superjudge • December 12, 2018 4:58 PM GMT
what a massive bag of bollocks this is.darren lewis  has got a problem with calling paul progba lazy. would he have a problem if i said he was bang overrated? lacks football intelligence? and got a attitude problem? dear o dear what is this country coming to.and by the way iam not racist i just have an opinion.

Darren Lewis is a lazy agenda-driven journalist who uses every available opportunity to have a pop at us whiteys . Pompous and self-serving he took objection to Jason Cundy's correct description of Pogba as 'lazy' and turned it into a 2 hour diatribe . Total embarrassment to his profession who has a chip on both shoulders and gleefully plays the race card wherever possible .

I think many football fans are generally ignorant and stupid. They feel they can get away with it when in a crowd. Many don't even know the rules but have an opinion about how the ref cost them the game. Compare these people with rugby and cricket fans and you'd think they are from a different planet. That is not to say all football fans are stupid or thugs. A colleague told me today he went to Stockholm with Chelsea back in the day. The riot Police were stood down because of the good behaviour of the fans. I guess they are not all mindless morons, I just like to think so!


About 24 years ago went to see Chelsea play out in Austria against Rapid Vienna. Have to say I've never met so many rude people anywhere. I asked out hotel manager why Austrians where so rude. He said that they weren't but they had been told that 3,000 Chelsea skinheads were coming and they would smash the town up. When we'd left Vienna intact we were voted the best behaved supporters they'd had. Mind you the Vienna lads didn't come out to entertain us

some refs in football dont know the rules

some linesmen dont know rules

not just the fans, and players and pundits

rugby refs are miked up, would really improve football if refs were miked up, and var was used
for goal line and offsides, and foul play

the Chelsea would have been  right re lewis, and lewis aint from Manchester,

Agree about the rules in Rugby. Not sure if there are more than a dozen people on the planet that understand those.

well sage - at least I understand the offside rule in rugby football - SEW THEIR!!!

sageform 13 Dec 18 18:31 
Agree about the rules in Rugby. Not sure if there are more than a dozen people on the planet that understand those.


You think Rugby is bad, you should try the NFL, the only people who understand those rules are all the wrong side of 80, and they have to dig them up every Sunday to ref the games!!

duffy    13 Dec 18 23:00 
sageform 13 Dec 18 18:31 
Agree about the rules in Rugby. Not sure if there are more than a dozen people on the planet that understand those.


You think Rugby is bad, you should try the NFL, the only people who understand those rules are all the wrong side of 80, and they have to dig them up every Sunday to ref the games!!




I always thought that NFL stuff was for young people as I don't know anyone over 40 who has the slightest interest in it.

Love it myself and I'm north of 40

Where else can you rant and rave in public for two hours without getting arrested or put in a straight jacket.

This tribal nonsense between teams is beyond ludicrous.
The only team you should be focused on are your opponents and rivals in the table.

When you hear fans of team A saying they hate team B  , it is because we have always hated them , but no actual reason for this insanity.

All the top teams are Russian oil , American finance , Arab oil or Asian finance .....they have longed ceased to be the clubs you recall.

And surely players language is as relevant as fans , get the ref miked up  ......the players will soon shut it when their lucrative sponsorship contracts drop them.