Bobby Robson & Alex Ferguson

taking nothing away from fergusons career cos it was awesome and as man utd revert to the mean, it is very obvious how great he was, but he evidently wasnt a great teacher.

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Sir Alex Ferguson statue installed at Old Trafford on 23 November 2012.
Many of Ferguson's former players have gone on to become football managers themselves, including Tony Fitzpatrick, Alex McLeish, Gordon Strachan, Mark McGhee, Willie Miller, Neale Cooper, Bryan Gunn, Eric Black, Billy Stark, Bryan Robson, Steve Bruce, Mark Hughes, Roy Keane, Paul Ince, Chris Casper, Darren Ferguson, Ole Gunnar Solskjær, Henning Berg, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville.[225]

could you concoct a bigger group of losers?

could you concoct a bigger group of losers?

^ Yep, add in Jaap Stam

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/how-sir-bobby-robson-coaching-8781073

Charlton2005 must be a bit upset with his team losing to Blackpool

thats why he bangs on about united and liverpool, which is really strange be an addick fan.....must be losing it

And its Sir Bobby Robson, feck the other one.

Charlton2005 08 Dec 18 22:23 
If we may say that robson made mourinho

Shame on you for speaking ill off the dead.

I think most football fans would recognise that those who have followed fergus at Utd are operating in a much more competitive environment.
There is a tendency in the uk to give managers godlike status.
Busby, Revie, Shankly, Clough, Stein, Herbert Chapman etc
What is probably overlooked at Utd was the success of the Edwards family in making Man Utd the richest club in these isles.

Yeah he did alright there.
I just think too much is made of the role of the manager over here.
I think that the board is probably more important now.
You look at the big clubs in europe and the head coaches are interchangable

cheers mr a
horrible result last night.
I am constantly harassed by nightmares of jurgen klopp's gurning stephen marchant face as he lifts the epl trophy

In Fergie's defence, he certainly knew who the best man to take over his dynasty was.

Busby, Revie, Shankly, Clough, Stein, Herbert Chapman etc were gods.

Despite his success, Ferguson will always be remembered for tapping his watch and doing his very own rendition of "the color purple" after a defeat.

Man Utd were a mediocre side similar to Bournemouth ,Wolves,Leicester and Everton when Fergus took over .



hang on .... they still are 

Don't think Robson made Mourinho or Pep and don't think Robson or Fergie were tactical coaches like Mourinho and Pep. Fergie was more of a manager working over a coach. That, and the fact that the hairdryer treatment is outdated and wouldn't work with the modern player, would explain why none of his ex players have been anywhere near as good in management.

Mourinho and esp Pep tended to get the better of Fergie by having more modern, advanced tactics than any of the old school managers. The players that played under Fergie only learned outdated methods from him imo.

what is meghan markel doing on match of the day interviewing the wolves boss please ?

Disagree that Mourinho/Pep were better tacticians than Ferige, it was a combination of Mourinhohaving dirty sides/outspending United and/or simply having better players/teams at the time.

Fergie's teams were built around 'Power Play', Pep's were Possession based and Mourinho's was cheating/players running through brick walls for him, though not so much anymore. I would imagine Jose's deployed the same hairdryer treatment Fergie did, in fact probably more so, ex United players said Fergie only actually every went into that mode very occassionally to give players a kick up the backside when they needed it rather than during every match.

Mourinho's Porto team were a very dirty side, they used to pull every trick in the book, the uefa cup final v Celtic I recall especially stood out, they were the same v United in 04, it wasn't a case of Porto or Mourinho having better tactics, at Chelsea Jose walked into a ready Made football team that had virtually bought a whole new squad that transfer window and the 2 before under Ranieri who himself had ran out of time to win the title in 04 as they started to come good chasing down Arsenal. Ranieri would havev won the title the following season imo, Jose simply took over and finished the job Claudio had started, a bit like someone spending ages trying to unscrew the a tight lid of a Jam jar, then someone else waltzing into the kitchen and take it off after all the hard work was already done in unloosening it.

He started that season having bought/inherited Robben, Duff, Bridge, Drogba, Crespo, Makelele, J Cole, Ferreiria, Cech, Carvalho and it took United 2 more seasons to catch their spending up as they had already fallen behind Arsenal, this was during one of Ferguson's rebuilding periods as the remnants of the 99-01 team were fading away. When Fergie first came to United he wasn't afforded the same luxery and too him years to filter out the poorer players and get the squad into his mould and to attract better players. Jose walked into a club that had a huge momentum swing in progress.

I think Fergie faced Guardiola 4 times in the Champions Leauge, Guradiola won 2, Drew 1, Lost 1, but the 1st game in 08 United really should have won that, they created quite a few chances and Ronaldo had the chance to win it with a penalty but missed.

The two finals they lost to Barca they were well beaten, but they were well beaten by a team that had superior players and some of the best ever at their peak, in defence they were evenly matched but up top, Messi, Henry, Iniesta, Xavi, Eto'o, Toure were too good for the likes of Park Ji Sung, an ageing Giggs, Hernandez and Anderson, Barca's players were all technically superior, largely a result of their academy system which Pep benefitted from enormously, if you swapped the managers around in reverse roles, I don't think Pep would have gotten the better of Ferguson with inferior players. Guardiola at every job has literally always had the best players at the time. Ferguson started from a much lower base.

Fergie lost 2/2 to Pep Barca. It was Rijkaard's team he beat in 2008.

I don't agree Fergie did a great job of rebuilding a crap Big Ron United. The Atkinson team was strong. Fergie's impressive rebuild was replacing the crap mid table United he assembled himself by 1989 with his great team of the early 90s.

if fergie was managing now he would have a modern coach in place

robson would see his tactics being more relevant than they were

fergie ruled with rod of steel, robson with a cuddle, and a chat.

i bet they loved chatting about the game, ....would be great if their true wisdom
was passed on, and not just their bluster.