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it's gone JJ, it's gone

here's to Lord Emery and the era.

Hopefully he can bring back the much missed St. Totteringham's day.
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Report the fink sisters September 3, 2023 6:09 PM BST
Was going to post similar. Looks a total waste of money to me. Clumsy and slow.
Report lurka September 3, 2023 7:08 PM BST
Havertz has always looked like Ozil level of energy and physicality, can't have him in midfield unless that changes and doesn't look like it will. A step down from Xhaka in that position so far, but Vieira looks like he might come good in that role soon. Good to see White back at RB again. Saka suffers without him bombing on, nobody else to play that role.

Not really firing yet so a good start. Sat back against 10 men v Fulham when we should have gone for the 3rd.
Report the fink sisters September 4, 2023 11:17 AM BST
Ground out three wins without hitting any heights, which I suppose is a good sign.

Interesting to see what happens after the break. Arteta is infamously stubborn, so will see whether he goes back to funky formations and playing style if/when all personnel are fit. I'm worried about Havertz. It wouldn't be so much of an issue if it wasn't for that fee.....
Report Wesdag September 4, 2023 11:55 AM BST
Havertz should've been eased in gradually by bringing him on as sub.
Report Whisperingdeath September 4, 2023 12:43 PM BST
Needs to balance that midfield

How are we still so vulnerable on the break? Arteta is supposed to be a good  coach but if beggars belief. We have to let the Havertz thing go…. Paying £65 million to a rival to buy a player we wanted!

Timber is a huge loss. That signing made the transfer window for me although obvs a centre forward and holding midfielder lite.

Now the transfer window looks most unimpressive

Sunday was like being stuck in a traffic jam in central London on the way to a concert where you paid for expensive tickets. You are pished  and know you have missed it and dun your money then a helicopter lands next to your car or taxi and says hop in, concert delayed we can get you there on time.

Arsenal were average yesterday but a win is a win!
Report dambuster September 4, 2023 12:48 PM BST

Sep 4, 2023 -- 11:55AM, Wesdag wrote:

Havertz should've been eased in gradually by bringing him on as sub.

Maybe he should be eased gently out the team.

Report Wesdag September 4, 2023 2:34 PM BST
One of the biggest mysteries in football currently - what any manager sees in him?
Real Madrid & Bayern apparently made enquires before he came to AFC.
A very poor man's Ozil imo.
Report Storm Alert September 5, 2023 9:04 AM BST
I rewatched the game yesterday evening and Havertz is so underwhelming. Apart from the miskick six yards in front of goal, it was his pass that was intercepted in the lead up to Rashford's counterattack goal. As Lurka commented there is a bit Ozil about him and Vieira looks a much better proposition. I just have a feeling that like Ozil, Havertz may show good Opta stats but never really influence any of the crunch games. Arteta needs to be careful as the other players will get fed up if they think they are carrying a player. Incidentally Ozil looked ok when he seemed to be on the same wavelength as Sánchez. Havertz just might not have the ability to integrate into Arsenal fast style of play.

On a more positive note, Arsenal looked a far better team than United especially once the subs were made. The long term injuries to Timber and Partey a big concern, but I hope Arteta now settles with White and Gabriel as they work so well together.
Report Wesdag September 5, 2023 1:35 PM BST
It's a massive gamble from Arteta bringing in a player nobody was crying out for.

Some players simply can not play with the pressure of expectation. Havertz looks like he could be another.
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 5, 2023 1:54 PM BST
he scored the winner in a CL final ffs. Think he's ok with pressure.
Report Whisperingdeath September 5, 2023 2:04 PM BST
Some people need to put this into context.

How many properties could you buy for £65 million?

Even with a 5% yield that will produce an income of £3,250,000 p.a. or £270,000 a month in income before tax. Add in his monthly wages.

I just cannot see how this goes past a businessman.

Add in you are giving possibly your nearest rival £65,000,000 and they have FFP issues and just spent £1 Billion and are strapped with expensive aquisition's that nobody with any brains really wants. How did this deal get past Edu firstly and secondly The Board?

Shirley somebody on the Board assuming they were English might say " are you having a tin bath Mikel and Edu? "

Goal scoring centre forward, holding midfielder and beast of a centre back.....same as it ever was!

I do though think Havertz could be a good player and now we have him be patient but the midfield need balancing immediately!
Report Wesdag September 5, 2023 2:50 PM BST

Sep 5, 2023 -- 1:54PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

he scored the winner in a CL final ffs. Think he's ok with pressure.

and since?

Report PorcupineorPineapple September 5, 2023 3:47 PM BST
Not saying he's very good. That goal apart he's done very little while here, and now Arteta is squeezing him into a new position so hardly rocket science he's been crap. But the idea he can't cope with pressure when he delivered on the biggest stage of all is clearly nonsense.
Report Wesdag September 5, 2023 4:25 PM BST
I think you should've stopped at crap.
Not saying he won't improve but he's been crap since that single goal.
Report the fink sisters September 22, 2023 12:43 PM BST
Looking forward to the game on Sunday. Should be open with both teams going for it. Their new manager looks like a breath of fresh air. In all honesty, could go either way.

I have a good few friends who support the Spuds and, as a rule, I prefer to see the two clubs closely matched. I know that this may seem counterintuitive to many, but if we’re both doing reasonably well, it pushes us both on. It’s obviously better when we are ahead though….
Report Whisperingdeath September 22, 2023 1:49 PM BST
Havertz May still prove to be a good footballer but Trossard is already and I hope he gets more game time.
Report sofaking September 23, 2023 2:21 AM BST

Sep 22, 2023 -- 12:43PM, the fink sisters wrote:

Looking forward to the game on Sunday. Should be open with both teams going for it. Their new manager looks like a breath of fresh air. In all honesty, could go either way.I have a good few friends who support the Spuds and, as a rule, I prefer to see the two clubs closely matched. I know that this may seem counterintuitive to many, but if we’re both doing reasonably well, it pushes us both on. It’s obviously better when we are ahead though….

A reasonable post, fink.  Also looking forward to this game. Spurs have looked good so far this season but this is their first proper challenge (current iteration of Man U doesn't count). I expect goals..2-2FT or 2-3FT. CrazySilly

Report dambuster September 26, 2023 3:32 PM BST
I think Nketiah has finally proved he's not going to win us anything,
Surely Toney would be a better option once his ban has finished.
Report Whisperingdeath September 26, 2023 3:56 PM BST
Got a feeling Arteta has held off as he wants Toney in January.
Report dambuster September 26, 2023 4:18 PM BST

Sep 26, 2023 -- 3:56PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

Got a feeling Arteta has held off as he wants Toney in January.

I think Toney wants to come as well

Report Whisperingdeath September 26, 2023 4:24 PM BST

I mean why would you spend £65 million on Havertz and give the money to what was supposed to be a rival club in financial difficulties and not spend it on what the club needs? Maybe he has funds secured for Toney already as he is the major missing piece of the jigsaw that every fan has known since around 2007!

We got a decent centre back and central midfielder. Arsenal need a goal scorer. It's so bleedin' obvious!
Report dambuster September 26, 2023 4:31 PM BST
Agree WD, Every fan i know couldn't believe the Havertz signing.
Maybe we could offload him in a swap with Toney Wink
Report Aspro September 26, 2023 5:07 PM BST
Maybe Spurs will nick him instead? Devil

Good game at the weekend lads.
Report Whisperingdeath September 26, 2023 5:21 PM BST

Do you seriously think Brentford would want him or value him anywhere   near £65 million?

I do think though he could one day be a decent player just a mystifyingly stupid aquisition for Arsenal
Report lurka September 26, 2023 8:27 PM BST
Dramatic/exciting game to watch on Sunday, but 4 poor goals all from mistakes. How Saka didn't get goal side of Maddison when he's played FB/WB before is beyond me. Schoolboy stuff and he had ages to do it.

Nketiah is as unimpressive as Havertz - what does he actually do? I read an article that said Jesus has underperformed his xG by 15 goals in the PL only since joining us. Has to be the next area to target, but hard to find the right player. Toney maybe. He would be attainable as I think he wants to play for Arsenal.

Missed Trossard and Rice when he went off. Spurs are a good side and played some good stuff tho. Will be tough to finish in the top 3 with the CL to play this season. Although there should be 5 CL places next season hopefully.
Report dambuster September 27, 2023 12:19 PM BST
Obviously as a Gooner i have no time for Spurs, and vice versa i suppose.
So i grates me to say i do like there Manager ,he seems genuine. i liked El Tel as well.
Report Aspro September 27, 2023 12:32 PM BST
I think most gooners liked El Tel, he almost sunk us Laugh
Report Whisperingdeath September 27, 2023 2:56 PM BST
I wonder how Brentford will value Nketiah
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! September 27, 2023 2:58 PM BST
1 man short of a
Report The Dragon September 27, 2023 3:16 PM BST
not seen mesmerised on the forum for a while hope he is ok
Report Whisperingdeath September 27, 2023 3:51 PM BST

Victor Osimen might be available as if from today…. breaking news!
Report Whisperingdeath September 27, 2023 5:44 PM BST
I am also ashley wondering if Osimen has grounds to tear up his contract?

I wonder if anyone at a football club reads the rubbish we do and think wow there is an opportunity. He could literally go on a free when they were looking for £115 million and I wonder if there really is a WW2 Bomber on the moon?
Report Whisperingdeath September 28, 2023 11:31 AM BST
Was half joking but the Osimen situation is quite serious!

Somebody on the wireless last night said Arsenal do have an interest in Osimen, contact had been made and he would probably like to play in the Premier League. This might make him more affordable to Arsenal and puts even more into perspective the £65  million paid to a rival in financial bind.

It might also help with the Toney negotiations. We saw how hard a ball Brighton played. This might persuade Brentford that Arsenal have another option.
Report Whisperingdeath September 28, 2023 2:38 PM BST
I can't believe I am the only one getting a stiffy over the Osimen situation. Shirley he would be great for Arsenal and this puts him in the Arsenal price range unless of course the budget was spent on Havertz and Toney is but a cruel dream.
Report the fink sisters November 30, 2023 11:51 AM GMT
REALLY quiet on here. I can only assume we are top of the league and through to the knockout stages (aka The we'll get knocked out stages) of the Champions League with a game to spare, so there is literally nothing to moan about. Who actually wants to be a Gooner unless you can be relentlessly negative?

Having said that, I personally don't think we've been playing as well as we did last season, even though there are encouraging signs in recent weeks. I think the team is beginning to gel a bit. Still not totally convinced by Havertz, though there was a fabulous thread on here during the Brentford game when all the soothsayers were out in force. Tomiyasu is looking a way better player than I originally thought.

Wolves v Arsenal on Saturday. The VAR Cup Final. Not totally straightforward and I really like their manager. Hopefully they don't get on the right end of a decision, even though they are well overdue.
Report Storm Alert November 30, 2023 12:52 PM GMT
"The VAR Cup final" Laugh
Report Wesdag November 30, 2023 7:54 PM GMT
Maybe the many regular contributors of old have gone or been culled by BF?
Report the fink sisters December 1, 2023 10:58 AM GMT
It's possible wesdag. I just hope that not too many of them didn't Eat out to Help out and expire. Though an alternative theory is that engagement with a club's thread is inversely proportionate to its relative success.
Report Wesdag December 1, 2023 12:12 PM GMT
Possibly, there's certainly fewer talking points these days. Cool
Report the fink sisters April 6, 2024 11:54 AM BST
No posts for months now. Proof, if it were needed, that we only post when we're moaning....

A decent season, but personally I'd be surprised if we walk away with any silverware. Those remaining fixtures, starting with today, just look too difficult with both City and Liverpool in relentless form. Bayern will be interesting on Tuesday. The hope is we catch them on a non-going day.
Report mesmerised April 6, 2024 11:40 PM BST
sunning myself on my yacht in Barbados, friend has promised me his ticket for the Everton match to watch the lifting of the title, can't believe it's been 20 years. We should be steamrolling this Bayern team, they beat us 5-1 the last 3 times we've played, remember their twitter feed post after the last time "same time again next year", hope we smash them in both legs, also hope Madrid beat City, would rather face them in the semi's, the other side of the draw is weak, we'd be favs in the final. Lord Arteta making mugs of all those that wanted him sacked, I always said give him 3 full years to get all the players he wants in, in, and all the players he wants out, out, and the belief the top brass have showed him is paying off, even if we walked away with nothing, he at least has got us back to genuinely competing which is a great start. If for some reason we don't win the league, hope Liverpool win, can't bear that bald headed ponce Pep grinning after winning a record 4 in a row, his ego would explode. Let's also hope Lord Emery takes 4th spot, top manager, shame it didn't work out at Arsenal, he has the short straw of being lumbered with a load of players he couldn't get rid of, whilst having dodgy transfer guru's who've since gone, foisting players like Pepe on to him.

In Arteta we trust.

Kind Regards.
Report lurka April 7, 2024 12:22 AM BST
When Liverpool beat us in the cup we had something like 56 shots in 3 games and 1 goal, in that game and the West Ham home game it was 43 shots 0 goals. We lost the other 2 games to West Ham at home and Fulham away. We were still dominating teams and creating chances but it looked like we needed a striker desperately in the Jan window. There were no negative posts on here then either.

It has been some turnaround since then in front of goal but we have also become a nightmare of a team to score or even play against. On paper and on that basis, I don't see the rest of the fixtures, apart from Spurs away, being that difficult. However, with the CL in the mix they become a lot harder. If we go deep in that comp I don't think we will do it but I won't be too disappointed if not. Getting top 4 without competing with Pep/Klopp would have been fine at this stage for me. Going out to Bayern might mean that 5th place doesn't get CL which could shaft Spurs if they finish 5th.

A better season than last for me and loads of room for improvement both with the current crop and new signings. Squad to challenge on all fronts is not there yet imo and the players and Arteta are still learning. I just hope Barca don't come calling for Arteta any time soon. Not sure he'd leave to go to City if Pep left but more likely he would for them imo (provided they can match his ambitions with signings).

The CL is a different format and more of a managerial tactical battle against much more experienced managers. Found it very difficult in the last round but had to play it cagey at home due to the undeserved goal Porto got. Get the impression Arteta might sit back on leads in that format like he used to do in his early days but it was only one one tie and he couldn't afford to concede at any stage in the home leg.
Report Wesdag April 8, 2024 1:02 AM BST

Apr 6, 2024 -- 11:54AM, the fink sisters wrote:

No posts for months now. Proof, if it were needed, that we only post when we're moaning....A decent season, but personally I'd be surprised if we walk away with any silverware. Those remaining fixtures, starting with today, just look too difficult with both City and Liverpool in relentless form. Bayern will be interesting on Tuesday. The hope is we catch them on a non-going day.

Maybe cos there's other places to comment like Twitter & YouTube via AFTV content?
I know do.

Report Wesdag April 8, 2024 1:03 AM BST
*I know I do
Report lurka April 8, 2024 6:49 PM BST
If we get past Bayern we will have SFL1 2/3 days after Spurs away and SFL2 3/4 days before United away. If City get past Bayern we will be playing them in those games and their corresponding league fixtures will be Forest and Fulham away. Sad Both teams are down for Sat 3pm after SFL2, so will prob be moved.
Report lurka April 8, 2024 6:50 PM BST
*If City get past Real
Report Whisperingdeath April 8, 2024 7:00 PM BST
Oh I think we all knew we needed a striker in January. It was so bleedin’ obvious and even more that we were not going to get one.

A central defender, a central / defensive midfielder, a goal scoring centre forward.

17 odd years waiting. 3 out of 3 ain’t bad.

Hope Toney is coming.

Still not sure about Arteta but he is walking the walk. We do not know what he is up against and what is going on. He would be mad to leave now. This is a young team and it is all coming together. Credit were due but we needed a centre back last season and a centre forward this. 2 titles up for grabs. Everyone knew what was needed. We do not know what was available to him.
Report Whisperingdeath April 8, 2024 7:01 PM BST
2 out of 3
Report dambuster April 9, 2024 12:10 PM BST
I think i'd prefer Isak or Watkins to Toney
Report Whisperingdeath April 9, 2024 12:59 PM BST
I think Isaak was something like £54 million. Why did he choose Newcastle? Was he ever an option? Fine player and young fitting the mould!

Is Watkins available?

It must be difficult get a top striker in.

I was hoping for Osimen after his troubles with Napoli prior to the January window opening. Also a left field bid for Mbappe even on a free with a one year contract prior to his inevitable Madrid move.

I would imagine Arteta knows he needs a goal scorer and we don’t know how he gets one.

I would have used the Havertz money plus another 50 to get Osimen but I have no idea how football transfers work
Report lurka April 9, 2024 1:42 PM BST
I doubt Arteta thinks he needs a goalscorer. The goals don't come from that position primarily, like Liverpool and like City before Haaland came. Yes, we could do better with someone else but lack of goals wasn't the problem last year and it certainly isn't this year either. I think Arteta has proved people wrong again as we've scored bucketloads since Jan. 31/33 points and 38 goals scored.

We were close to the FFP limit after last summer, so spending big wasn't on the cards in Jan. CL money will help a lot but we may still need to sell the likes of ESR, Nketiah, Nelson this summer to spend big. Osimhen is too injury prone and would be a massive gamble. Toney mightn't be worth it at the price, he seems keen and will be a free agent after next season. Mbappe is unaffordable and would only be played as a wide attacker in Arteta's system. Would be ridiculous to play him as the 9 in that system. He doesn't play there for France or PSG either.
Report Whisperingdeath April 17, 2024 8:07 PM BST
Even Bournemouth have a decent goal scorer.
Report lurka April 17, 2024 8:42 PM BST
yeah and he's the focal point of their attack in a completely different system. How did goalscorers like Auba and Laca suit Arteta's system?
Report themightymac April 17, 2024 10:29 PM BST
No disrespect to the fans but I`m glad they got knocked out because the bust my coupon at the weekend.

Bunch of bottlers. Just like last year.
Report Whisperingdeath April 17, 2024 11:02 PM BST
Why would the focal point of any attack be a player who couldn’t hit a cow on the backside with a banjo?
Report lurka April 18, 2024 12:21 AM BST
Auba was the focal point of our attack and scoring at the same rate as Salah, Kane, Aguero before Arteta arrived. Arteta stuck him out on the left because the wide positions are the focal point of his attack. He didn't have the players to play his system then but he still did it. Then he tried him as false 9.

I've explained to you how our FFP situation means the players you want aren't at all realistic (for at least another year of going deep in the CL and prob selling a few players). We can do better than Havertz or Jesus in that position but highly unlikely given FFP restraints.

Yet here you are harping on about Solanke.

The 9 position drops deep and wide to link up with others and then arrives in the box late. He is not going to get 25 PL goals a season wihout the others getting less. Do you want a new system or a new manager? The team scores enough. They will not score many more with a goalscorer up top. The others will score less. Like Haaland at City. He has made them more one-dimensional up top and despite all the hype had little impact on them winning the PL and CL last year. They didn't score more goals and played Inter(!) in the final (who kept him quiet).
Report Whisperingdeath April 28, 2024 8:34 AM BST
I see Newcastle had two goal scoring centre forwards yesterday.
Report lurka April 29, 2024 12:41 AM BST
Didn't see that. Who were they playing?
Report Whisperingdeath April 29, 2024 6:36 PM BST
Isaak and Callum Wilson.

Isaak’s run was brilliant and a great finish. There is talk of him as one Arsenal may be interested in. Gykores was another. Not sure what to believe until it is done. Talk is Edu has the money and they are weighing up options. I do not see how a goal scorer with pace weakens the team.
Report lurka April 29, 2024 7:25 PM BST
They were playing Sheff United. Nketiah got a hat-trick against them and they have already smashed the record for goals conceded in a 38 game PL season and will surpass the record for a 42 game season as well.
Report Whisperingdeath April 30, 2024 2:55 PM BST
Oh please lies damned lies and statistics

It’s football. Pace breeds fear, playing on the shoulder causes defenders to play deeper giving more space to the midfield. A goal scorer forces defenders to defend and leaves others with more room.

A goal scorer also provides hope for his own team. They know there is a chance. Anyone who can also provide something out of nothing lifts the spirits.

So Arsenal score more goals against the shift kickers and low block without a goal scorer..great!  They concede less goals against anyone else also great tbf.

Bayern Munchen are being embarrassed at home. Sporting Lisbon knocked Arsenal out last year.

All sides are better with a goal scorer. Why do they get paid the most?

A goal scorer is the final missing piece. Even Arteta knows it.

I have no idea who would be a good fit for Arsenal, who is affordable or who is available but everyone knows Arsenal need to goal scorer before they can move on
Report the fink sisters May 13, 2024 11:21 AM BST
A pretty good season overall and given the run-in, we've done well to take it to the final game. I didn't expect that. Well done to City. Four in a row is quite an achievement.

I don't buy into the narrative that Spurs will down tools against City, but they are playing a better side who have never slipped up when in this situation.

Interesting window coming up. My hope would be to move a few fringe players on for decent money and then invest in a couple of marquee signings. There's the nucleus of a side there that should be competitive for a couple of seasons at least.
Report Wesdag May 13, 2024 1:01 PM BST
Will be interesting if Pool beat Villa as it will mean Spuds will then have a decent chance of finishing in 4th spot by beating Citeh.
Report lurka May 14, 2024 4:11 PM BST
Spurs still have a very good chance of getting CL if they beat City imo.
Report lurka May 14, 2024 4:15 PM BST
Whisperingdeath • April 30, 2024 2:55 PM BST
Oh please lies damned lies and statistics ......

I introduced 'stats' for the context you ridiculously didn't give. Newc strikers scoring against the worst defensive team in PL history. Why didn't you mention that?
Report the fink sisters May 14, 2024 5:53 PM BST
lurka 14 May 24 16:11 Joined: 25 Oct 10 | Topic/replies: 18,921 | Blogger: lurka's blog
Spurs still have a very good chance of getting CL if they beat City imo.

Totally agree. City are a machine at this stage of the season and I'm pretty sure they will prevail.

If Spurs can nick it though they have an easier last fixture against a relegated club whereas Villa have to go to in form Palace. Spurs will have a completely different transfer window with CL qualification and that has to be worth playing for.

I've made my feelings clear on this for weeks. Pretty sure City will be champions. They are some team and we've done well to push them to the final game.
Report Whisperingdeath May 15, 2024 1:30 PM BST
Sorry lurka

The point I have been trying to make is that Arsenal will be a better side and more of a threat with a goal scoring centre forward. It’s so bleedin’ obvious it does not need stating. I am just interested into why Arteta has not gone gone one as yet ( FFP accepted ).

Fair play to Arteta for building such a good side and Team. I was not a fan and still am not but he has walked the walk. Credit to him.

Again the signings of Jesus and Zinchenko have galvanised the team with their attitude, expectations, skill and desire.Arsenal are at the next stage now. A striker is required and I believe Arteta is looking at some. Let’s see what Edu comes up with.
Report Whisperingdeath May 15, 2024 1:36 PM BST
And for all the oddity off-stage this was a great game for Haaland, and a significant one too. His first goal on 51 minutes was his 11th touch, first shot, first real moment close to goal. It was a tap-in from four yards out. It was also a lovely goal because he made the right movements, read the angles, found the space.

It was the goal of a killer, and a killer is what you need when this kind of game is stating to twang at the nerves. Haaland is often criticised for not carrying his weight, for being a kind of regimental mascot, a ceremonial Nordic hatstand, when City win via the familiar nine-man outfield swarm.

Here he did exactly what he was hired for, making the difference in a game they had to win.

Oddly enough it was also a kind of first, the first time he has scored the key opening goal in a season-ending must-win. His celebration was a different, a little more wild and unbound. This high-wire game might just turn out to be the best moment of his season.
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! May 15, 2024 1:38 PM BST
Ozil no longer a Spurs fan
Report lurka May 15, 2024 7:45 PM BST
Emirates will be giving us an extra 20m a year for shirt sponsorship from next season so that will help a lot.

I agree that a finisher would be a great addition to the squad in theory but I don't think it will result in us scoring more, not sure if it will be possible to find a player like that who can play our system for an affordable price, not sure that player would go straight into the team without learning the system either. Also, Havertz numbers in terms of goals/assists when played as a striker this season are better than Martinelli/Trossard, Saka and Jesus both this and last season and he's improved even more in the run-in. It's his first (half) season playing the role so he might get even better at it.

On the basis of all of that I'm not sure a big money striker will be the priority for Arteta, maybe a back up/Plan B striker. The LB position is the biggest priority for me. There is a complete imbalance on that side defensively and going forward compared to the right and teams are targeting it. Timber was bought for that reason but how reliable will he be after a knee-injury?

For all that guff about Haaland, he has been more of a flat track bully than a big game player this season. I doubt City wouldn't have won without him given the attitude of the opposition.
Report dambuster May 16, 2024 12:30 PM BST
City wouldn't have won much at all if they stuck to the FFP Rules.
But watch this space.
Report Whisperingdeath May 16, 2024 2:07 PM BST
Arsenal being linked to every striker in Europe. Hopefully Chelsea will buy most of them before Edu makes his move.

Anyone see much of Gykores?
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! May 17, 2024 2:26 PM BST
Secret of Arse success
They eat pancakes-4
Before the match
So says Rice baby
Report ImSoLuckyLucky! May 19, 2024 12:31 PM BST
Arse rehearsing the EPL winners celebrations
Report the fink sisters May 19, 2024 3:58 PM BST
We'll almost certainly finish as runners up. A great season, just judged by the the number of wins. Fair play to City, just too good.

As  bonus, you can always spot a Spurs special needs poster cropping up on this thread by the emojis. Bless. It's literally on every post she puts up.
Report Wesdag May 19, 2024 6:20 PM BST
A strange bunch.
Imagine giving up on a CL spot just to try & stop Arsenal winning the league?
Absolutely bonkers.
Report sofaking May 19, 2024 9:30 PM BST
Don't claim that Arsenal supporters wouldn't have felt the same if Spurs were in with a chance of winning their first league title in decades (like Arsenal were this season).  You don't remember 2019-2020 season when many of your lot claimed they'd sacrifice winning the Europey League final against Chelsea if it meant Spurs not winning the Champions League final against Liverpool?
Report sofaking May 19, 2024 9:31 PM BST
Bottling it at home to Villa a few weeks ago and dropping 9 points to Villa and West Ham is what cost you the title....not Spurs losing to City.
Report Wesdag May 19, 2024 11:39 PM BST
sofa, gooners would never face that dilemma of having to chuck a match to stop Spurs from winning the EPL. Cool

The attitude of your fans simply exposed the small club mentality which is endemic at the Lane. Was there any talk of Man U fans wanting their side to chuck their game v AFC in similar circumstances? No, they focus on their own side. They don't exist just to troll their neighbours.

Getting 52 pts from 57 is hardly "bottling it" to a state owned team faced with 115 charges for breaching rules.

Btw, what's this Europey thing all about? How did AFC playing in one final affect the outcome of Spuds playing the CL final? Crazy
What's more, you would now be in the CL if you'd put in a shift v Cheaty. Talking about cutting off noses to spite faces!!
Report Storm Alert May 20, 2024 9:22 AM BST
Agree with Wes, I can't think of a single occasion when I have wanted Arsenal to lose a match to stitch up an opponent. I'm not old enough for that too have ever been relevant to Spurs... anyways. Ironically had Spurs won that match they would have finished 4th. Can't see Postecoglou hanging around with such a small mentality fan base to deal with.

Arsenal didn't bottle anything this season, it was a fantastic run since Christmas, every team is entitled to one a poor result and the Villa game they could have been two or three up at half-time. Tactically the manager got it wrong playing Zinchenko left back to cover for an injured player, a mistake hopefully he won't make again.
Report Aspro May 20, 2024 9:45 AM BST
"had Spurs won that match"

Spurs were trying to win the match, it had nothing to do with the fans, we were beaten fair and square and no the Arsenal players didn't bottle, they were, in fact, superb throughout and put up a good fight, but aside from Villa, Arteta was wrong to think that a draw against City would suffice; it was quite arrogant really to think they could win the rest of their games. He should have had more faith in his players and taken on City... then the title would have been truly deserved. Your loss I guess.
Report lurka May 20, 2024 10:16 AM BST
Why do you keep harping on about the hardest game of the season where a draw was a better result for Arsenal? What about the other 9 games where Arsenal dropped points which were far easier not to? Very likely they'd have lost it if they went for the win and then you'd be on here saying they should have played for the draw.

Reducing a 38 game season to one game is ridiculous.

The comments from Ange indicate Spurs were not trying 100%. That might do you more damage than one game or missing out on CL. Anyone with ambition or a winners mentality is under no illusions now.
Report sofaking May 21, 2024 2:02 AM BST

May 19, 2024 -- 11:39PM, Wesdag wrote:

sofa, gooners would never face that dilemma of having to chuck a match to stop Spurs from winning the EPL. The attitude of your fans simply exposed the small club mentality which is endemic at the Lane. Was there any talk of Man U fans wanting their side to chuck their game v AFC in similar circumstances? No, they focus on their own side. They don't exist just to troll their neighbours. Getting 52 pts from 57 is hardly "bottling it" to a state owned team faced with 115 charges for breaching rules.Btw, what's this Europey thing all about? How did AFC playing in one final affect the outcome of Spuds playing the CL final? What's more, you would now be in the CL if you'd put in a shift v Cheaty. Talking about cutting off noses to spite faces!!

How about Liverpool back in 1995-96 where they were playing Blackburn late in the season?

Liverpool legend Kenny Dalglish returned with his Blackburn Rovers side on the brink of winning the championship, but a victory for the Reds could deny the Kop idol the title and hand it to arch-rivals Manchester United.

The Reds, in fourth place and with a UEFA Cup place in the bag, clearly wanted to win but fans certainly didn't want to see the championship head to Old Trafford.

"The only thing in our minds that afternoon, though, was winning the game," recalled Liverpool midfielder Jamie Redknapp. "We're professionals and we want to win every game we play."

Alan Shearer put Rovers in front with a record-equalling 34th Premiership goal of the season before John Barnes struck back for the Reds after the break. Then, in injury time, with the game heading for a draw, Redknapp smashed in an absolutely brilliant long-range free-kick that was greeted by near silence at Anfield.

"It was one of the strangest moments of my life on a football field," said the match-winner.

As Dalglish waited nervously on the touchline, news filtered through that Manchester United had only managed a 1-1 draw at West Ham United and the title was Blackburn's despite defeat at Anfield. Both sets of fans ended the day happy.

Did Liverpool supporters also "expose a small club mentality" when a large percentage of them wanted their team to lose the game if it meant their bitter rivals Man Utd not winning the title?
And Villa wouldn't have been hammered by Palace if CL football was not already in the bag.  I am absolutely certain that Arsenal fans would've reacted similarly had the roles been reserved.

Report Wesdag May 21, 2024 2:21 PM BST
Lol sofa,

Imagine have to dig nearly 30 years into the archives to try & get Spuds off the hook. Laugh

The problem you have, is that rather then relying on individuals own accounts, there is footage available.
You can quite clearly see both LFC goals were cheered & celebrated as you'd expect them to be.

Also, you have to look at Spuds' small club mentality in the context of your recent history with Enic's general lack of ambition:

- sacking Mourinho days before a final
- Conte's rant
- Ange's post match assessment of the Cheaty loss.

As I've said before, gooners would never be in that situation. The last time we might've been JFK was still alive & the Beatles weren't a thing!
Report dambuster May 21, 2024 3:03 PM BST
The Arsenal = CLASS
Report sofaking May 21, 2024 5:11 PM BST
Ok, I can see you guys are still hurting so I'll leave you alone to grieve in peace. Have a great summer.Grin
Report Wesdag May 21, 2024 5:27 PM BST
Not hurting at all sofa.
Simply resigned to the fact it's hard when up against a state owned side.
Btw, what would you know about hurting? Laugh
That would indicate a near miss.
Report lurka May 22, 2024 10:38 AM BST
I see the Spurs squad got on a flight to Melbourne within 5 hours of the season ending to play a friendly and tap into their new found Aussie market. Priorities.
Report EastLower Gooner May 23, 2024 4:49 PM BST
I was waiting until the season was over to give everyone a chance to at least point out where the club went wrong this year but no one has me timed it so here you go.

David Raya isn’t the goal keeper people think he is.

Evidence 1 - Newcastle Away

All the talk post match was whether or not the ball went out and the infamous push in the back but what on earth is David Raya doing?

He’s on his near post as the cross comes and then hopelessly tried to shuffle back in a vain attempt to do something.

Very poor.

Evidence 2 - Aston Villa Away

Leon Bailey drives to the byline and with no more pitch in front of him he crosses it into the box and guess where David Raya is? Yep the near post.

He has completely surrendered the goal to Villa and the rest is history.

The ball drops to McGuinn who can’t believe his luck.

Evidence 3 - West Ham Away

I think you know what I’m going to say but this one is even funnier.

Jarrod Bowen is pretty much outside the pitch when he gets his cross back in but moron Raya stays on his post with his back to the play and Soucek smashes the cross into an empty net.

I’ve got no idea what he was thinking.

Was he worried Bowen would shoot from that angle? Lord he have to be Thanos with all of the infinity stones to score from there.


What is annoying about this is that he does this every game.

Against United Garnacho fired in 2 crosses so quickly that Raya was still on his near post and turning to look at the fiejd of play as the cross comes in. If United had a decent striker they would’ve scored.

So it’s pretty clear that even Arsenal’s goal keeping coach doesn’t see this as an issue which is absolutely Fkin bizzare.

In fact you can even seen him at times with his arm extended as he’s watching the cross but making sure he’s as close to the bear post as possible…so this is something he has been thought to do!


Unfortunately whatever benefits people think he brings it’s far be outweighed by his positioning flaw and the points he has cost us.

We could’ve be champions if we had drawn two of those games.

I’ve never seen Ramsdale do this and to be honest I think Raya has pretty much made saves I would’ve expected Aaron to have made.

I don’t think he’s the big shot goalkeeper people believe him to be had I do worry about us next season because I doubt he will fix his positioning.


If I was Arteta I would sack the goal keeping coach and all of his staff asap and get someone more competent in because like I said this is absolutely shocking goalkeeping and it hasn’t been picked up on.

This is big man thing now…either he sorts out the goal keeping coach now or it’s him next season after Raya costs us more games and we win nothing again.

Report Whisperingdeath May 23, 2024 5:09 PM BST
Have to say we Arsenal had more pressing concerns than replacing Ramsdale.

Centre forward, left back, midfield cover. How hard is this?

C’mon Edu

Arsenal have given up two Titles. Not saying they are better than Citeh yet but they had chances and fluffed them.

I again say I am not an Arteta fan but he is taking the team in the right direction . I hope the missing pieces are provided.
Report Wesdag May 23, 2024 6:04 PM BST
Lol ELG,
So it was all down to Raya why AFC didn't win the League. Laugh
Yes it was harsh to dump Ramsdale but you must be the only gooner I've heard point the finger at Raya.
Report Ell May 23, 2024 9:44 PM BST
Raya only looks good because of what's in front of him.
Ramsdale had Holding in front of him rather than Saliba at the end of last season which wouldn't have helped.
Ramsdale has a silly mistake in him but he's a better shot stopper.

Never liked Arteta as a player other than as a penalty taker.
Anyone that persists with players like Partey, Zinchenko, Nketiah or Jesus obviously can't see where changes need to be made.
Report Ell May 23, 2024 10:16 PM BST
ELG's post doesn't mention that Arsenal only faced 6 shots on target in total in those 3 games but conceded 5 goals.
Raya not solely to blame but didn't help matters.
Report EastLower Gooner May 24, 2024 1:02 PM BST
Guys we’re talking about very fine margins and like I said in my post if we had just held on for a nil-nil draw in two of those games we would be Champions.

You can’t tell me that for all 3 goals his positioning was correct because it’s not lol

It’s bizarre goalkeeping and I have no idea who thought him this.

What has  annoyed me is there was no attempt by the manager, goal keeping coach or the player to correct this flaw because it carried on for the whole season.

In fact it’s been the complete opposite with praise being cast upon Arteta for his bravery in selecting Raya over Ramsdale yet no one mentions his BLUNDERS in these games and that he has carried on doing it.

So basically the much vaunted goal keeping coach from Brentford looked at this, didn’t see anything wrong with and just carried on as normal.

Sack him…now.


I genuinely believe if Raya doesn’t correct this flaw then we won’t win anything next season.

I know you guys are all super passionate but you have to be able y to o be critical and be able to identify these sorts of flaws otherwise we’re not going to improve.

It says about this job the club has done that no one is willing to criticise stuff like this but instead just shout people down when it’s brought up.
Report lurka May 24, 2024 1:10 PM BST
I wouldn't blame Raya for any of the 3 goals mentioned. I think it's bizarre that you'd blame him for any of them or even highlight them when there are plenty of better examples of him making mistakes. To say that Bailey had no pitch left is an outright lie, he could have passed the ball in at the near post from the angle he had (but there were defenders who would have blocked it). He didn't think Bowen was going to shoot. He actually tried to Block Bowen's cross. He didn't have his back to play?!! Every keeper covers the near post in the Villa/Newc situations and he was going for the ball against WH. The 3 goals were scored from point blank range in the centre of the goalmouth and you're blaming the keeper?!

In the 3 games we failed to score. A rarity but I'd be focusing on that more than the defence/keeper as to why we lost. We went thru a period of creating chances and not putting them away where we lost 3 in a row to WH and Liverpool in the cup at home and Fulham away. Then we started scoring bucketloads and went unbeaten in the league for almost 4 months, won 12/13 and drew away to City. Failed to put away chances against Villa at home too.

You can blame Raya for a lot, the goal at Spurs being the most recent example. He was almost flawless in that game after that but his mistake invited all the late pressure Spurs applied. It didn't cost us tho.

Ramsdale was poor late on last season and the decision was probably made then. I don't think Raya was signed for his goalkeeping skills primarily but he doesn't seem any worse than Ramsdale in that department.
Report Wesdag May 24, 2024 2:13 PM BST
I think what ultimately cost us was not finding a key to Havertz a lot sooner.
He's been decent since playing up top rather than midfield.
Ironically, the game we lost to Villa, he was switched back to midfield. Cry
Report Ell May 24, 2024 6:05 PM BST
Shouldn't have let Xhaka go. Just the type of player you want to unlock those 3 sides which all have a compact defence.
Better than Partey by a country mile.
Report lurka May 26, 2024 12:15 AM BST
Xhaka had one good season imo and then f'd off. Fair play to him winning the league in Germany tho. But a typical Arsenal performance from him in the EL Final. L'Equipe gave him 2/10. We've missed him this season. The left side hasn't been great from back to front apart from Trossard. A Fit Timber might have made the difference.
Report mesmerised June 18, 2024 9:08 PM BST
Fixture list for new season below

first thing I read was it was a horror start to the new season, first thing however I always look at is the run, and it's great for a title run in, from April last 9 fixtures had bar two are at least comfortable on paper. Unfortunantly it's negated by City's equally soft run in. The Xmas fixtures where it's easier to drop points with the congestion, looks fairly good too though where City's are that bit more difficult, could be the difference.

Sat 17  Wolverhampton Wanderers (H)   
Sat 24  Aston Villa (A)   
Sat 31  Brighton & Hove Albion (H)

Sat 14  Tottenham Hotspur (A)   
Sat 21  Manchester City (A)   
Sat 28  Leicester City (H)

Sat 5  Southampton (H)   
Sat 19  Bournemouth (A)   
Sat 26  Liverpool (H)   

Sat 2  Newcastle United (A)   
Sat 9  Chelsea (A)   
Sat 23  Nottingham Forest (H)   
Sat 30  West Ham United (A)   

Tue 3  Manchester United (H)   
Sat 7  Fulham (A)   
Sat 14  Everton (H)   
Sat 21  Crystal Palace (A)   
Thu 26  Ipswich Town (H)   
Sun 29  Brentford (A)   

Sat 4  Brighton & Hove Albion (A)   
Tue 14  Tottenham Hotspur (H)   
Sat 18  Aston Villa (H)   
Sat 25  Wolverhampton Wanderers (A)

Sat 1  Manchester City (H)   
Sat 15  Leicester City (A)   
Sat 22  West Ham United (H)   
Tue 25  Nottingham Forest (A)

Sat 8  Manchester United (A)   
Sat 15  Chelsea (H)   

Tue 1  Fulham (H)   
Sat 5  Everton (A)   
Sat 12  Brentford (H)   
Sat 19  Ipswich Town (A)   
Sat 26  Crystal Palace (H)

Sat 3  Bournemouth (H)   
Sat 10  Liverpool (A)   
Sun 18  Newcastle United (H)   
Sun 25  Southampton (A)
Report lurka June 18, 2024 10:18 PM BST
City having an easy run in is prob a good thing cos they'll prob win them all anyway and Arsenal don't have to play them then.
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