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scandanavian_haven
02 Jul 17 21:36
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It's been dominated by the Europeans 12 years (last 3 World Cup winners) and have to say it's quite damning for Sputh American football that the back to back Copa America champions drew and lost to an experimental German B team.

I can't see past their A team at the moment, not much of a tip Grin
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Report clacherholiday2 July 3, 2017 12:12 AM BST
Brazil streets ahead of every other international team ive seen in the past 12 months, including the German A team.
Report spyker July 3, 2017 12:16 AM BST
Russian Police Pension Fund will be a pretty big winner. I'll wait till nearer the time and try to find an outsider for top g/s best player with a strategy of trading trying to take into account the rampant skullduggery in the best player award!
Report jed.davison July 3, 2017 11:05 AM BST
Cameroon
Report kincsem July 3, 2017 11:25 AM BST
Germany
Report CLYDEBANK29 July 3, 2017 11:41 AM BST
France
Report Tiger Tiger July 3, 2017 12:47 PM BST
Has to be Scotland surely? Gordons army will have it in their handbags, oops I mean pipe bags.
Report Rider July 3, 2017 1:49 PM BST
I've backed Brazil at 8/1 a few months ago (think i put it in a thread at the time but cant remember which one), hopefully Jesus will develop strongly next season to add to the strong team they already have
Report DirkDiggler July 3, 2017 1:51 PM BST
Germany.
Report donny osmond July 3, 2017 2:32 PM BST
if i took part in a sweep i would like to pull out france

having a bet i would back chile
Report duffy July 3, 2017 2:45 PM BST
spyker

Wasn't it you who tipped up james at 100/1 last time for golden boot?
Report ieff7 July 4, 2017 12:43 AM BST
Fifa will fix it for an African nation
Report spyker July 4, 2017 10:33 AM BST
Duffy - yep and went to 999, main tip was for the corrupt best player but also took a healthy position on top G/S - he was unlucky not to win both thus hastening my retirement!
Report Outpost July 4, 2017 10:47 AM BST
germany and italy were a long way clear of the rest at the last euros so it would have to be one of those two for the european team.
Report jed.davison July 4, 2017 10:54 AM BST
Sorry, in what way were they a long way clear of the rest, because I distinctly remember Cristiano Ronaldo dancing round like a gurning gimp after the final.
Report Rider July 4, 2017 4:05 PM BST

Jul 4, 2017 -- 10:33AM, spyker wrote:


Duffy - yep and went to 999, main tip was for the corrupt best player but also took a healthy position on top G/S - he was unlucky not to win both thus hastening my retirement!


did JR have the best opta stats for the tournament?
did JR take his team to the final?

JR has been disappointing since that world cup following his move to real madrid, which clearly also shows his performances were enhanced by being a relative unknown player at the time

Report clacherholiday2 July 4, 2017 4:37 PM BST
he hasnt played a lot for real in the past year but whenever he has started he has been very good, with a fair goals/start ratio


https://www.whoscored.com/Players/71182/Fixtures/James-Rodríguez
Report Rider July 4, 2017 4:51 PM BST
i'm surprised you link who scored but omit the fact his min/goal is 147.5 in la liga last season, not what they expected when they bought the golden boot winner
Report clacherholiday2 July 4, 2017 5:21 PM BST
without checking up every attacking midfielder in la liga id guess hes second only to messi in terms of goals per minute?

looking at the top goalscorers list, griesmann is the highest non-messi number 10 and his goals per minute in la liga last year was 1/191.7
Report clacherholiday2 July 4, 2017 5:24 PM BST
in the league for madrid last year only ronaldo and morata have a higher goals/minutes ratio

https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/52/Show/Spain-Real-Madrid

not sure how much you expect a midfielder to do?
Report clacherholiday2 July 4, 2017 5:28 PM BST
he also has the highest assists/minute for madrid, 1/196 minutes

luis suarez is credited with the most assists in la liga at 13, thats 1/220 minutes
Report Rider July 4, 2017 5:51 PM BST
clach2, he went to real madrid thought of as one of the best, if not the best young player in the world at that time, he has been a disappointment in that context, he has been part of zidanes (goalfest) 2nd xi for a reason and will probably leave as a result this summer

in an absolute sense he's a very good player, the point i was making is in the world cup 2014 he was afforded far more space/time than the top established players, he was outstanding against uruguay in the r16 but did nothing (bar a late pen) in the q/f against brazil when he got the sort of attention messi receives every game he plays
Report jed.davison July 4, 2017 6:04 PM BST
To be fair rider, that game was one of the worst cro oked heats ever witnessed in football.
Report clacherholiday2 July 4, 2017 6:10 PM BST
i think its more the case that real madrid just arent the right team for him or his position/role as the attacking number 10 rather than him being a disapointment.  he was signed with a big fee and a lot of hype as you say but they should never have signed him in the first place.

since bale went there in 2013 theyve played 3 up front, they had ronaldo playing in his position as the floating attacking midfielder/forward and now use benzema in that role, who is also very good.

morata has hardly played for madrid either but it doesnt make him a bad player, multiple champions league goals and finals but barely gets a start.

you said his performances have been poor since joining, yet hes been pretty effective in the games he has played in, its because in the real madrid b team he gets to play in his real position, not because he isnt good enough for the first team.

lots of players just cant fit into an established team, another recent example from spain was sanchez at barca, hes obviously good enough but not for the role they needed.
Report clacherholiday2 July 4, 2017 6:12 PM BST
even zlatan couldnt gel properly at barca and he was at the very peak of his career.
Report Rider July 4, 2017 6:48 PM BST
clach2 i said he was 'disappointing' which is a big difference to 'poor', i've explained why he is disappointing already, but think of it like this, if mbappe goes to rm and ends up not being part of the first team in 3 years (very unlikely) i'd also then suggest he's been disappointing

madrid is a tough place to go whether you are a player or a manager, bale went there as a left sided player but has mainly played on the right and done ok, you have to adapt and if you are good enough you will find a way, JR hasnt been able to, he follows a long list of very good/promising players not to succeed there
Report jed.davison July 4, 2017 6:56 PM BST
Or alternatively, he follows a long list of players who looked like world-beaters at the World Cup or the Euros, and turned out to be no such thing when asked to do it week-in week-out in a top League.
Report spyker July 5, 2017 10:48 AM BST
did JR have the best opta stats for the tournament?
did JR take his team to the final?

JR has been disappointing since that world cup following his move to real madrid, which clearly also shows his performances were enhanced by being a relative unknown player at the time


Sorry - what is the point of this post the tourny was 3 years ago and is done and dusted and what he has done since is irrelevant? He was at the top or very near the stats that fifa use (not opta) for the whole tourny but obv fell away when Col were eliminated, was top scorer (from midlfield) and scored a couple of v good goals so yes i think he was unlucky not to get the best player. Messi most def wasn't the best player and there was no other obv outstanding candidate - Kroos was top ranked player.  In other word in a less than outstanding world cup with the peformances he put in he should have at least been in the top 3!
Report Rider July 5, 2017 12:33 PM BST
so you dont see the relevance of why i mentioned what he's done since?

JR has been disappointing since that world cup following his move to real madrid, which clearly also shows his performances were enhanced by being a relative unknown player at the time

messi wasnt at his freakish best (and isnt likely ever to be at the end of a long season) and that leads some people to think he wasnt the best player, he was imo, he's continually involved with dribbles and key passes (under much closer attention than any other player), not to mention his significant goals/assists, there is no way argentina get so close to winning the wc without him

it might not sell newspapers but with the best player statistics of the tournament and getting his team to the final, its a no brainer he wins the golden ball
Report tangsoodo July 5, 2017 10:25 PM BST
not Russia
Report themover July 5, 2017 10:57 PM BST
Will hopefully get a trade on these punts...Poland 100/1, Uruguay 50/1, Belgium 16/1
Report TUB July 6, 2017 2:38 PM BST
Id agree with those 3 themover. Ive also added croatia @ 66/1 and have been backing France for a while
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